Cotto: After the 5th, it felt like every time I was hit, it was with a baseball bat

Cotto didn't say any of this before cheato got caught, Cotto just ran out of juice and lost.

No offense but only a small % of mexicans will back that cheater up because they have no common sense and are some nationalistic idiots. Resto was a piece of **** and still is. I will never forgive that dirty **** for what he did even if he is Rican and I met the fuker in VA. These idiots will never convince me or the other true boxing fans that MArga****face is not a cheater. What is there to back up exactly? And, are you saying only a small % of Mexicans don't believe Marg cheated aginst Cotto?

marg was obv using plaster

To be honest i dont marg used illegal wrapping all his career but after his lose to p-will, i think thats when he started using the plastered wraps as he needed to get back to where he was prior to the p-will fight and get that mega fight with Cotto.

Well I don't buy the whole after P-Will argument. For the last 10 years only 2 or 3 WWs didn't get KO'd by Marg at WW. In the last 10 years. So he has showed power for 10 years. It just didn't come after P-Will. And, was disfiguring fighters before P-Will. So how could nobody had caught him in those 10 years if he was cheating? Only Richardson could do it? Not even Steward a great veteran trainer who has been around could find it? And, if it was after P-Will that Marg started cheating. Then it also took an extra round to KO Cintron with plaster than it did for him without plaster? That just doesn't sound right to me. Unless you think that his first time was with Cotto? Now why I think Shane was the first. The training camp sucked, it was reported before the fight that he was getting beat up by his sparring partners. So this is not something that came after Shane. It was reported prior to the fight. He also enered camp heavy, he was over 180, he ballooned way up in between Cotto and Mosley. Also the cheap scale that read he was 2 pounds on the day of the weigh-in. Which was not true but they went and burned those 2 pounds hours before the weigh-in. Which drained him you could say. And, that is why he weight 145 and not 147 which he was at on the day of the weigh-in. I also heard he had a whole in his retina and had back problems. It was just a lot of stuff that could of made Capetillo nervous and he did what he did with them wraps. It is quite possible yes with everything that was going on just prior to the Shane fight. That could of made it the first time. Just as it could be possible that it had been before. The wrappings are almost always terribly supervised, and a piece of hardened gauze is fairly easily slipped in as it looks like a normal pad. You need to feel it to know it. In regards to your comments about the shane fight then I commend you and can see there is a motive if your reports from his camp are in fact true. So I reckon there also is a plausible scenario for Marg starting his cheating for SSM.

So you are sitting on the fence. Both scenarios are equally likely you say. Now tell me why you think Marg would choose Shane as the first fight to cheat in because I find it much more likely that the fight that triggered Margs cheating was the Williams loss and not the brutal Cotto beatdown because had he beaten Cotto without cheating, he would have felt invincible and he would defineltely NOT suddenly feel the need to load his gloves for a Cotto victim. So I'd like to hear your rationale. Well I don't buy the whole after P-Will argument. For the last 10 years only 2 or 3 WWs didn't get KO'd by Marg at WW. In the last 10 years. So he has showed power for 10 years. It just didn't come after P-Will. And, was disfiguring fighters before P-Will. So how could nobody had caught him in those 10 years if he was cheating? Only Richardson could do it? Not even Steward a great veteran trainer who has been around could find it? And, if it was after P-Will that Marg started cheating. Then it also took an extra round to KO Cintron with plaster than it did for him without plaster? That just doesn't sound right to me. Unless you think that his first time was with Cotto? Now why I think Shane was the first. The training camp sucked, it was reported before the fight that he was getting beat up by his sparring partners. So this is not something that came after Shane. It was reported prior to the fight. He also enered camp heavy, he was over 180, he ballooned way up in between Cotto and Mosley. Also the cheap scale that read he was 2 pounds on the day of the weigh-in. Which was not true but they went and burned those 2 pounds hours before the weigh-in. Which drained him you could say. And, that is why he weight 145 and not 147 which he was at on the day of the weigh-in. I also heard he had a whole in his retina and had back problems. It was just a lot of stuff that could of made Capetillo nervous and he did what he did with them wraps. It is quite possible yes with everything that was going on just prior to the Shane fight. That could of made it the first time. Just as it could be possible that it had been before.

Here how about this to settle it. Who in this thread thinks that vs. Mosley was Margs FIRST time trying to cheat? All I am saying is this, Marg better pray to God that he makes enough money from now on so that he can continue paying Capetillo a good amount to keep his mouth shut. If not, Capetillo will be the next one on HBO documentaries telling the whole world how Marg knew all along about the plaster and against who they were used.

..I have never felt punches like that in my life. Smh @ this kid getting his career destroyed and his promoter protects Marg. Miguel Cotto got cheated out of remaining the #1 Welterweight. No doubt in my mind, he'd of been #1 right now if he beat Margarito... think about how physically & mentally tough he had to be, to be winning most of that fight against brick. He got a rawer deal than Paul Will. At least that sh didn't get hard until the championship rounds. Tone was committing assault for most of that fight against Miguel. Mourn all you want,this guy's coach was supposed to check the gloves werent loaded

Knowing what I know of Marg going into the Shane fight, I do not think it is very unlikely at all that is was the first time. I see it as being likely. I think both scenarios is very likely. Which is not is the truth, I don't know. So you are sitting on the fence. Both scenarios are equally likely you say. Now tell me why you think Marg would choose Shane as the first fight to cheat in because I find it much more likely that the fight that triggered Margs cheating was the Williams loss and not the brutal Cotto beatdown because had he beaten Cotto without cheating, he would have felt invincible and he would defineltely NOT suddenly feel the need to load his gloves for a Cotto victim. So I'd like to hear your rationale.

Yeah I dont think its fact but the odds arent really in Margs favor on this one. Its really hard to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. If it wasnt for Nazim this guy wouldve been beating Shanes face in with plaster. And probably wouldve never been caught. He hasnt shown that same type of pop since being caught. He was more of an accumulation puncher but vs Cintron, Cotto, etc. He was hurting them with one shot bombs. Especially to Cotto in the body and even Cintron for that matter. Ive yet to see that pop from him since being caught. He dropped Garcia but it looked more like a flash KD. So its really hard for me to defend him on this one. He kind fo screwed himself by doing it against Mosley. Fans have every right to question EVERY past fight hes had. My belief is that he cheated against Cotto, Williams, Cintron, LeJuan, Six Heads, Johnson etc. The odds arent in his favor. I think he ruined Cotto and thats the sad part in all of this. That a guy lost his prime in one fight. This...................

havent read through the thread yes but i beat is jro and jack are defending CHEATO Well keep on beating it and leave the thread.

But what you should know is that its highly UNLIKELY that Marg decides to try loading his wraps for the very first time against Shane. I would THINK that the LIKELY scenario was that Marg lost fair and square to Pwill and Capetillo and Marg realized Antonio's career was going nowhere fast so something needed to happen. I'm GUESSING that that fight was pivotal and I THINK that is much more likely than Marg loading his fists for the very first time against Mosley. Now what do you THINK? Knowing what I know of Marg going into the Shane fight, I do not think it is very unlikely at all that is was the first time. I see it as being likely. I think both scenarios is very likely. Which is not is the truth, I don't know.

Not if you KO a bunch of bums with. So I take it that you couldn't name one fighter of note that Walter Matthysse KO'd? Could you. I guarantee you that Floyd could fight all those WWs that Walter did in a spand of a month. And, KO all 26 of them. Does that make Floyd a KO artist? No, it just makes those other fights bum, bums, bums... You the naive muthafucker. You the one who doesn't look at a whole picture just see's thing as black and white. There is more to the story with the Shane fight and going into. I actually don't know what happened with Cotto or any other Marg fight. But, all I ask is for proof. Yet nobody has ever giving me one. You on the other hand are so naive and simple minded that think well he tried against Shane so that automatically means he tried against Cotto. How so? That is what a naive simple minded person LIKE YOU thinks like. Why not look at all of the possibilities. Why not see why it could have been possible that Shane was the first time? Tell me that much if you not naive, don't worry I will wait. And, just like I am still waiting for the other answer. As for me, I am not naive nor am I simple minded. Do I think it is possible that Shane was the first time? Yes I do... Do I also think it is possible that Marg has done it before Shane? Yes I do. Do I know for sure about either of those 2 questions? No, I don't. Now you try it you simple minded, naive, dumb fuck. But what you should know is that its highly UNLIKELY that Marg decides to try loading his wraps for the very first time against Shane. I would THINK that the LIKELY scenario was that Marg lost fair and square to Pwill and Capetillo and Marg realized Antonio's career was going nowhere fast so something needed to happen. I'm GUESSING that that fight was pivotal and I THINK that is much more likely than Marg loading his fists for the very first time against Mosley. Now what do you THINK?

So it is obvious that you have not read the thread and not the post I was responding to. Now, is it possible that he cheated against Cotto? Yes. Is it possible that he beat Cotto without cheating? Yes Is one more likely than the other? I say no. Now the post said Marg ONLY won cuz of his illegal wraps. So there is no way Marg could beat Cotto without illegal wraps? Are you agreeing with that poster? Please, answer cuz I want to see who really the fanboy in here is. So just because someone doesn't agree with you they are a fanboy. Who are exactly? My guess is some ramdom dude on the internet who thinks he's the next incarnation of Bert Sugar because he watches a lot of boxing and posts on a boxing site. I completely agree I think that Margo cheated and if he wouldn't have had plaster he wouldn't have won the fight. If you think otherwise thats fine you are entitled to yor opinion as I'm entitled to mine.

Margarito didnt need to load his gloves against a glass jawed joke Cothoe. Cotto beat Mosely who knocked out Margarito - he's a real joke, huh? Anyway, you shouldn't downgrade Margarito's great "win" by hating on Cotto...

Was it possible that Mosley fight was the first time? Yes it is possible to say no after everything that was happening going into the Mosley fight is riduculous. Is it possible he has done it in other fights? Yes it is. To say one or the other is more likely is crazy. To just act like it is fact that he did without any proof in that fight whatsoever is total garbage. Yeah I dont think its fact but the odds arent really in Margs favor on this one. Its really hard to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. If it wasnt for Nazim this guy wouldve been beating Shanes face in with plaster. And probably wouldve never been caught. He hasnt shown that same type of pop since being caught. He was more of an accumulation puncher but vs Cintron, Cotto, etc. He was hurting them with one shot bombs. Especially to Cotto in the body and even Cintron for that matter. Ive yet to see that pop from him since being caught. He dropped Garcia but it looked more like a flash KD. So its really hard for me to defend him on this one. He kind fo screwed himself by doing it against Mosley. Fans have every right to question EVERY past fight hes had. My belief is that he cheated against Cotto, Williams, Cintron, LeJuan, Six Heads, Johnson etc. The odds arent in his favor. I think he ruined Cotto and thats the sad part in all of this. That a guy lost his prime in one fight.

Margarito didnt need to load his gloves against a glass jawed joke Cothoe.

That is not a fact. There is no fact that he had illegal wraps for Cotto. So if the wraps were not illegal what else made a difference in that fight? Or you just that much of a fanboy that you think the only way Marg could beat Cotto is by having illegal wraps? I stand corrected, meant to say "whatever he had in his wraps" - good catch...I'm not saying that Margarito couldn't beat Cotto without wraps, and it hasn't been proven - it's all circumstantial evidence (which often puts people behind bars)...the bottomline is he had something in his wraps for Mosely (FACT) (NOT a fact for the Cotto fight)...so it's not hard to understand why many boxing fans (not just Cotto fans) question the win. That's all I'm saying. If I was a diehard Margarito fan - I'd ask for proof too; but if, the situation was flipped, I find it hard to believe you wouldn't honestly see the other point of view. Anyway, that's the past and I'm looking forward to JuanMa and Rafa.

It is also not a fact that he didn't cheat that night. The only fact is that Plasterito is a proven cheater and based on his track record, it is more than likely a fact that he cheated against Cotto.. Or are you that much of a fanboy that you think the only night Margo cheated was against Mosley? I bet you have bad nightmares of Margarito makeing Cotto bow down is that all you cry about Cotto geting his $hitpush in? :ugh: its geting old :bottle:

Here how about this to settle it. Who in this thread thinks that vs. Mosley was Margs FIRST time trying to cheat? Was it possible that Mosley fight was the first time? Yes it is possible to say no after everything that was happening going into the Mosley fight is riduculous. Is it possible he has done it in other fights? Yes it is. To say one or the other is more likely is crazy. To just act like it is fact that he did without any proof in that fight whatsoever is total garbage.