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It's actually a lot closer than people think. BJS is not a huge name in the UK. He barely fought in Wembley, usually fighting in smaller arenas on smaller cards. His popularity is much, much closer to Liam Smith than it is Amir Khan. Here's a google trends comparison of the 3 Brits: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2016-09-03%202018-06-03&q=%2Fm%2F03qlzg4,%2Fm%2F04qfsh,%2Fm%2F0ywwwkj trends.embed.renderExploreWidget("TIMESERIES", {"comparisonItem":,"category":0,"property":""}, {"exploreQuery":"date=2016-09-03%202018-06-03&q=%2Fm%2F03qlzg4,%2Fm%2F04qfsh,%2Fm%2F0ywwwkj","guestPath":"https://trends.google.com:443/trends/embed/"}); In comparison, here's what happens when you add Golovkin and Canelo on top of them: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2016-09-03%202018-06-03&q=%2Fm%2F03qlzg4,%2Fm%2F04qfsh,%2Fm%2F0ywwwkj,%2Fm%2F07rsdm,%2Fm%2F065z6wp The point is that Canelo-BJS in Vegas sells the same 250-300k PPVs that he sold against Liam Smith. On the other hand, Golovkin has previous exposure to the UK audience vs. Brook. That was his introduction to the UK. Since then, he was part of a huge PPV event. He's more popular now. If they put Golovkin in Wembley, that sh1t will sell out in less than a week. Actually this trends graph is better at making the point. In Aug-Sep of 2016, we had Canelo-Smith and Brook-Golovkin. Their internet popularity was nearly identical. trends.embed.renderExploreWidget("TIMESERIES", {"comparisonItem":,"category":0,"property":""}, {"exploreQuery":"date=2016-08-03%202018-06-03&q=%2Fm%2F03qlzg4,%2Fm%2F04qfsh,%2Fm%2F0ywwwkj,%2Fm%2F07rsdm,%2Fm%2F065z6wp","guestPath":"https://trends.google.com:443/trends/embed/"}); Yea, those charts don't show anything except how desperate Canelo haters and g fanboys are to disprove the truth. The meaningful numbers is ppv buys. Canelo gets over 700k for Khan, and gets an automatic 300k regardless of his opponent. g has had one ppv fight that didn't involve Canelo and got a solid 97k. Canelo got 300k for freaking Liam Smith. Which your chart and post say that interest in g-Brook was close to the same. The fact remains, Canelo is a ppv fighter and g is not. If g would fight professional boxers most fights, he could be a ppv fighter. But he never has and never will, g lacks the cahones to dare to be great. And that is why everyone would make more against Canelo. It is not half as close as you imagine. Liam Smith gets 300k and Khan gets 700k against Canelo. And regardless of any retarded charts, the fact remains those are hundreds of thousands of people paying to watch Canelo. That g can generate almost as much interest when his fights are free, only shows the huge disparity between the two. Against g, the fight is on regular hbo. Against Canelo and it is on ppv and guaranteed to do at least 300k.

Oh ok the opinion of a Manny hater matters now lol. Most people saw a robbery and a dirty fight where the guy chokes the other guy, lead with his head and keeps elbowing him. U didnt watch the vid obviously. :bottle: There you go, have bottle and your binkie, it will be alright. You are still crying over a 40 year old fighter who lost fair and square! Even Pac admits a fight with someone like Matthysse is a 50-50 fight now. This is Matthysse in 2018, by the way. Pac had a chance to prove you right and come back and beat Horn, with plenty of working the ref before the fight. The fact is he chose not to. Pac turned down a chance to fight the Hornet for his old title. Because he knew he would lose again. You can cry all you want, but the fact is Manny was literally scared of a rematch with the Hornet. No amount of crying will change that.

U think Horn has any leverage at the negotiation table? Lolcome on man. And I agree he takes big fight, ill give u tha. He still is a dirty fighter ... You are right Horn has no leverage. And yet Pac was still scared of a rematch. He had the right to a rematch. If he thought he could win back his title, he would have. Fact is, he didn't. He instead chose to fight a washed-up, 140 lb. career gatekeeper for no title.

Stopped reading after you used Glaser's numbers for Golovkin's fight 3 years ago to compare against imaginary ones you pulled out of your ass for Canelo-Smith. Not even the dumbest dogsh1t of a fanboy claimed Canelo-Khan did "over 700k". Oscar barely had the balls to say "it did 600k", while Glaser said 330k. http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/15523779/canelo-alvarez-amir-khan-fight-sells-close-600000-pay-per-view-buys-golden-boy-promotions-says https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/5/11/11661142/canelo-vs-khan-hbo-not-releasing-ppv-numbers-which-are-rumored-to-be Not only did you miss the point of what was said, you proceeded to make up things and be allergic to facts. Actually, why do I bother with this? Onto the ignore list with you. Yes, good argument. Anyone who uses actual facts and data go onto your ignore list. That way you can ignore reality. The reality is Canelo is the biggest cash cow in boxing. The reality is g's own promoter said he cannot g enough money to even fight his mandatory. When you are stuck with one million dollars to pay both fighters, because g cannot sell ppvs, then g is clearly not a draw. If g was the same draw as Canelo, then g would fight on ppv. Canelo did 300k with Liam Smith! g fighting liam smith would get a total of 97 ppv buys. Not 97k, but just 97. That is a fact. Everyone gets the biggest payday of their careers against Canelo. Just the facts. I hate Canelo as much as the next guy, but you sound like an ignorant retard. Not only are you ignorant of the FACTS, but you are also retarded. Good luck sir, you will definitely need it.

Crawford doesnt fight dirty. Dont mind showboating as it doesnt change the outcome of a fight. But headbulls, choking, shoulders in the heads and pushing the head does change the fight. Pac is too passive and didnt respond. Crawford is a dog and I doubt he will let that happen. You can bet Horn will try his sh*t tactics and Im pretty sure the ref has been warned. Yes, that is how Pac lost. Horn pushed the action and Pac didn't have an answer. He got stung early on by the Hornet and then kept trying to run in with his head down to avoid getting stung again. I get it though, its Pac and so no one ever wants to admit he ever lost any fight. Always some excuse. The fact is after Manny felt the sting of the Hornet, he was done. He was scared of crapping his pants in the ring again, like when JMM laid him out. Like I said, Bud should destroy the Hornet, because the Hornet isn't really good at all. It was like Pac was a girl. Letting the Hornet do whatever he wanted to him. This is professional boxing. If you are passive and let your opponent do whatever he wants, you are going to lose. You have to be a man and fight. Pac didn't do that, he is too old and battle-worn. No need to hate on the Hornet, if he didn't do it someone else would have. In fact, someone else may have well knocked him completely unconscious again. The Hornet will lose to Bud. And all that will prove is how pathetic it is that Pac is still fighting at this point in time.

This guy is just a lying hater and so are you. You get exposed by losing a fight and GGG and he has never lost Fuc both you. This spends half an hour trashing GGG. He isn't fair or neutral and either are you. Dry your eyes, my friend. :bottle:

Wilder isn't accepting 15%. Duh. Joshua turned down $50 million. After saying, he would sign the deal in one day if Wilder guaranteed $50 million. The fight makes more money in the U.S. Joshua is turning down tens of millions to avoid Wilder and to avoid the WBC VADA random ped tests. The fight would make $100 million. Wilder isn't accepting any 85-15 split. That is not being scared, it is called common sense. AJ has admitted he won't fight Wilder no matter how much Wilder will pay him. AJ said guarantee me $50 mill and we got a deal. Wilder says ok. Then AJ says, wait no. No that won't work now. Why is AJ turning down $50 million? For what, about $10 million? AJ is turning down $40 million more. How freaking scared do you have to be to turn down $50 million?!?!?!?

Oh god ur not so smart. Wont reply anymore to ur stupidity. Pac was scared of Horn rematch haha. MAtthysse prob KO Horn... Pac got robbed and it is what it is. One thing I agree is Pac is shot and should just hang them up. Pac was scared of a rematch. There is no denying that. He asked for a rematch clause, got it, and then got beaten up and decided he would rather fight a career gatekeeper at 140. The Horn rematch woulda paid better, and was for a title. Pac ran off with his tail between his legs and admitted that a fight with a gatekeeper who recently quit a fight because he got hit in the eye is a 50-50 fight. Nothing you say will change the fact that Pac was and is scared of any rematch with the Hornet. He asked for the rematch clause increase of a lucky ko or a robbery. It was neither, it was a beating. And that is why Pac didn't want anything else to do with the Hornet.

The purse isn’t the issue. Welcome to last month casual. Wilder side will step up and provide the money for the purses. Biggest question is what type of coward turns down 50million? Dibella, Haymon, Finkel put their money where their mouth was and made Hearn look like a rookie and so far all we’ve heard from Hearn is fantasy and obsession to take over America. Guy couldn’t even secure an easy title eliminator for Whyte, how ironic that Pulev team had the same problems with Hearn. You just took this Laced lady to school. You should be getting paid, like the bus driver that takes Laced to junior-high school. For real, you just destroyed this gal. Quite impressive.

He's accepted a fight he is almost guaranteed to lose. With it, he loses his belt. When he loses his belt, he loses future paydays. A lot of fighters would be holding out to make sure they got every possible dollar in this sort of situation. Horn put the fight before the money. I wish more guys would do the same. Horn didn't have a choice. Bud was mandatory. Do you really think Arum would have let Horn choose his next opponent? Mundine offered Horn $2 million for a fight. Horn would have took it, but that belt is property of Bob Arum. I wouldn't be surprised if Arum paid the judges in the Pac fight. Think about it, with Pac at ww and refusing to fight Bud, what was Bud supposed to do? He was never going to fight a young lion like Prograis. He sure isn't about to fight Thurman, DSG, Porter, or Spence. This was the only way to get Bud an easy title at 147. And without it being for a paper title, only Arum and Andrea Hale would have defended anyone outside the top 5 at the weight. I'm a fan of the Hornet, but he didn't have a choice. Arum owns that belt. He has paid dang good money for it, and no schoolteacher is going to take it from him for long.

Ur obviously a Pac hater... I mean if you made some valid point Id give them to you, but u keeps spitting bs. Everybody saw Pac winning except the normal haters. Im a Pac fan and I think they robbed MArquez in the third fight. m a fan not a groupie... Horn list the fight and noway he was scared to fight Horn.. He didnt want the fight in Australia after getting robbed. Last time I answer ur dumb replies. Oh, really??? lmao. Did you forget two judges who saw it live had the Hornet winning? Did you forget it was reviewed because Manny cried so much, and those judges all scored it for Horn. Fact is Horn was the better man that night. Why is Bud even fighting Horn then? Pac could win back his title but would instead fight a career gatekeeper for no belt?!? Man, you are seriously delusional. Or maybe Bud, Thurman, DSG, Porter, Spence all want Matthysse! He's the biggest fight out there! Over the Hornet and a title! Pac got stung, and is scared of a rematch. Why else refuse the rematch?

It is Loma for competition alone. Bud went for a paper title and he got it. Horn is nowhere near an elite fighter. He is a schoolteacher. I'm pretty sure he only fights during summer break, and Christmas break. Loma could have picked up a paper title from Beltran, but he fought Linares, who might not be elite, but if not, he's not too far behind. I don't like Loma, but I do respect the man. He takes tough fights, he challenges himself. Bud is an all-time-great cherry picker. He stayed at 135 when Khan, Maidana, DSG, Matthysse, Peterson and others were at 140. Once all of them moved up to 147, 140 was barren of proven talent. Then he moved up to 140. Then he moves to ww and goes straight for the Hornet. Bud looks great against B and C level fighters. Loma looks great against A and A- competition.

Nothing "big" at all. Finally announcing the easter fight. I gotta agree with this assessment. Mikey spent two years in his prime not fighting anyone just to get away from Top Rank. He isn't about to sign away the rest of his career.

Is this a joke? Canelo gets around 700k ppv buys for someone like Khan or JCC. Compared to Mr. 97k. Who would McGregor make more against: a rematch with Floyd or a fight with Malignaggi??? This isn't even a question. It is an attempt to rationalize g's cowardice. Also, g walked away from a unification bout with BSJ before, so I don't see what has changed. Canelo is the biggest cash cow in boxing today. Canelo sparring would probably get more ppv buys than g would for a real match. Canelo may be a cheater and a diva, but that does not have anything to do with how many people will pay to see him fight. For crying out loud, JCC Jr. had all his fights on ppv before Canelo took over as the best current boxer from Mexico. I despise Canelo, but acting like he isn't a draw does not make it true. Canelo will fight on the September Mexican Independence day weekend, because no one will dare compete for ppv buys with Canelo. G could announce he is fighting another Vanes, or another Rubio, or another Wade, or another Monroe Jr. and if Canelo announced he is having a sparring session on ppv for the same time, g would immediately reschedule. That is how close these two are in terms of how much money their fights generate.

lmao, is this real? Pac fans still crying??? Horn beat him fair and square. What is the Hornet supposed to do when his opponent keeps his head at crotch level? The fact is the Hornet stung Pac and Pac went into panic mode and lost. Pac looked like a 40 year old. The Hornet isn't great, he isn't even that good really, but he is better than a 40 year old Pac. Anyways, it doesn't matter because I'm sure Manny just hopped in some saltwater and healed up all of his injuries.

Wishful thinking. I despise Cinnabun, but he is the biggest draw in boxing. How do you know this? The best Mexican fighter has been an automatic ppv draw for literally decades. JCC was never close to an elite fighter. He was no better than a thousand other gatekeepers. But he was viewed as the best Mexican fighter. And thus, all his fights were on ppv. Canelo gets over 300k buys against no names. He gets 700k for a 140 lb. fighter who has a long history of being knocked out. That is how. Boxers do not just say, "No, I refuse to fight that guy." Instead, they make ridiculous demands they know will never be accepted. Boxing is different than most sports. Fighters get paid based on how big of a draw they are, not how good they are. Canelo fights Khan and gets over 700k buys. G fights Brook, on regular hbo with tickets sold via EBT cards. Canelo may very well be a cheat. He is a proven diva. He has been over-rated. But he still gets a lot more people willing to pay for his fights, than any other current fighter. Keep hating, cause I do too. But I also pay attention to reality. Such as Morales being ancient and old when he failed ped tests, and most importantly, that Morales retired after the failed tests, at the age of 36 with countless all out wars on his record. Yep, the Mexicans turned on him after he retired. Please, Morales is a freaking legend in Mexico. He retired because he was 36 and no longer close to the fighter he was a decade earlier when he was in the midst of trilogies against Barrera and Pac. Just because someone says Mexicans turned on Morales or that they do not like Canelo, does not make it true. It only proves the hater is quite bitter and irrational.

Are you kidding me? The dude is a 45-1 underdog. This is the type of fighter he should be fighting as his first fight as a pro. And don't give me the "everyone is scared" BS You telling me he couldn't get a Victor Ortiz, Berto, Alexander or the other Peterson brother? Hell even Joshua Clottey or at least a name who used to be good with an actual chance to make Spence look bad. This is unacceptable. And I'm disgusted You've been a member of BS for 13 years and still don't understand what a mandatory is? :crackhead

This is my hypothesis on partially why he's ducking Wilder cuz he knows that VADA WBC program don't play and will catch ya @$$ slipping! Notice ever since he been in "negotiations" with Team Wilder, he's been slimming down a lot! And don't no one says cuz he wants to improve stamina, he threw more punches than Parker in 12 rounds and didn't look tired! He knows he gotta clean up for the day he ever finds the balls to sign and fight Wilder! Very true. Its not Wilder AJ is scared of, its those random, unannounced ped tests he is avoiding like the plague. He literally turned down his own deal to avoid the tests. Not once, but twice!

When do IBF mando's get paid off? You must be a complete idiot. You have a pic of the cheating gypsy. When he said he was fighting a rematch with Wlad, which he was contractually obligated to do, the IBF stripped him. When g wanted to fight Vanes instead of some prospect with 12 pro fights, the IBF stripped him. Why didn't your boy, the gypsy cheat pay to allow his rematch? Why didn't g pay to keep his belt? Damn, there sure are some real idiots on here. And this Willie Wonka character is one of the dumbest yet.

Crawford is fighting and beating world champions and world champions are not cans. No, but guys like Broner and Guerrero both won titles in multiple divisions, and beat a number of world champions also. Don't get me wrong, both AB and Guerrero are/were good fighters, but both were also on the top 10 p4p list. Sounds a lot like Bud. Then both fought better opposition. We are still waiting for Bud to do that. He took advantage of all the good fighters at 140 moving up and came in to a division void of talent. He did what he was supposed to do. Now he's a ww and captured another paper title. If he wants to be known on the level of a Guerrero or Broner then Bud can stay the course. Or if he wants to known as more than that, he needs to step up the level of competition. If a fighter wants to be in the p4p discussion, their opposition has to be better than Horn and Indongo. Otherwise, you end up with guys like Broner and Guerrero in there.

They did name a bum. Kovalev. Kovalev refused to fight. That only proves how corrupt they are. Isn't it against their rules to rank a champion of another organization??? In fact, I only know that, because you are the one who told me. So, they broke their own rules to name one mandatory, which never even went through, in four and a half years??? Yes, they tried to make one of the best fights that could be made (by breaking their own rules) and since that didn't work, they decided, they would forget their is a light heavyweight division. Like I said, the WBC doesn't even try to hide that they are corrupt.

Apples and Oranges. Haymon tried to tie up EVERY network. TR and MR have two exclusivity with one entity each and aren't trying to make a monopoly. Haymon has Showtime with the exception of Anthony Joshua all to himself so why don't you mention that? Haymon is doing it on Showtime right now isn't he? So you are saying that is bad and hurts boxing right? Actually, Haymon didn't try to "tie up" every network. I'm pretty sure all of his deals, were not exclusive. Meaning all the networks were free to show boxing for other promoters. That is why the case got tossed out. Arum and GB tried to say that the deals didn't allow other networks to show their fights. But the deals didn't say that at all, and thus, they got tossed out and cost TR and GB court costs and lawyer fees. Basically Arum and Oscar were mad that PBC was putting on so many fights, so they sued, and they lost. If Haymon did have contracts forbidding the networks from showing other fights, it most likely would have been ruled illegal. I don't know of any deal that forbids a network from showing rival promoters cards. ESPN shows some crappy GB cards and they show TR fights. hbo did show fights from TR, Loeffler, Hearn, and Duva. hbo and espn contracts do prohibit the fighters signed to them from fighting on other networks, but the networks themselves are allowed to show any fight they want. They just usually refrain from hyping up a promotional company signed to a rival network.

He did it by fighting the best wiling to fight him. Every fight for a decade. After ODLH, fighters knew they would make the most money by far, by fighting Floyd. So almost all the top guys would fight him. And he would always fight the best. RJJ didn't do that. That is why he was never a ppv star. Sure, he fought a few top guys, but for the most part, once he became champ at lhw, he didn't take many chances. Floyd might not have took many chances in the ring, but he did with his opponents. Also, Floyd that fought Gatti and Judah was well above Crawford in terms of money and fan interest. Both those fights did 350k ppv buys. Bud had one ppv that did less than 50k buys. Floyd became a star by kicking ass at lower weights. He was very exciting to watch. When he fought Corrales, Corrales was actually ranked higher than Floyd in p4p. He was a ko machine. And Floyd floored him five times and won by ko. He was always small for a ww, but that is where the money was. After ODLH he was a bonafide ppv star. He maintained it a few ways. During hi retirement post Hatton he was in WWE and on Daning with the Stars. And he fought #3 p4p JMM, who Pac refused to rematch, in his first fight back. And after that he continually fought the best willing to fight him. His level of opposition was and continues to be unmatched. Fans want to see the best fight the best. That is what Floyd did. That is how he made almost a billion dollars in the ring.

In 2015 Ricky Burns won a vacant title over Josh King. Who has a whopping two stars on Boxrec. He lost it to Indongo, who in turn got a fight with Crawford for it. And all Bud's fans will tell you, Indongo wasn't some journeyman, he was a champion. Right now Kiryl Relikh and Maurice Hooker have belts at 140 and the IBF belt is still vacant. Ricky Burns still has a very real chance of capturing another world title. All the good fighters at 140 move up to ww. They have for as long as I can remember. There are what, 16 different divisions now? And all of them have four world titles? When there are that many divisions and each division has up to 4 world champions, guys like Ricky Burns can win world titles.

All Spence's win means is that he isn't a scared lil schoolgirl like g. He had to fight Ocampo and he did. Spence's fights against Brook proved a lot. His win against Peterson, proved it wasn't a fluke. His win against Ocampo simply proved he can ko Mr. Ocampo in one round. That's what it proved. That's what it means. Spence is my favorite active fighter, but it pissed me off big time that he didn't fight Ocampo until six months after beating Peterson. I mean, damn, Errol barely broke a sweat against Peterson, he coulda fought Ocampo a week later. The Haymon haters are usually rather ridiculous with blatant double standards, but the one truth they mention is Haymon fighters are not nearly as active as they should be. I get it, it is boxing and one punch could end a fight at anytime. The top guys don't want to risk a Buster Douglas moment. But the only way Tyson got the rep he did and the popularity he did, was by ko'ing someone every single month of the year. And until Garcia, Porter, Thurman, or Bud steps up to the plate Spence should be doing the same thing. The IBF doesn't have any dangerous ww ranked. Spence should literally try to beat all top 15 IBF welterweights in one calendar year. I would bet a good amount of money he could do it. And he would probably ko all of them too. His fight against Ocampo was like one round of sparring. He could, and should, ko Ugas within the month.

This is my first hearing about this DAZN. It does make sense though. It sounds a lot like ESPN+ except they show world class soccer, and in some countries DAZN shows NBA, NFL, pro tennis, pro darts, rugby, and ice hockey. PBC can put on a lot more fights than TR and PBC could consistently put on better fights. Even without the NFL and/or NBA, it would be like ESPN+ but slightly better. Most of the better fights might still be on Showtime, but with roughly 200 fighters, PBC could put on decent boxing at least once a week. While PBC was doing the network tv run, they still had some of the better fights on Showtime. Don't know if it is true or not, but it makes sense. It would only be a good thing if the quality and quantity of fights are worth the subscription cost. It could be a great deal, showing great boxing year-round. Or it could just have a lot of second and third tier fighters, plus an elite guy vs. an opponent, and then throw in one or two great fights a year. That would take away some top fights from Showtime, but still not make DAZN worth the cost. Bottom line, it could be awesome for boxing or bad for boxing fans, it would all depend on the fights Haymon would put on. As for Hearn, it matters very little if he was in on the PBC deal or not. I don't care if the official promoter for a fight is Dibella, Schaefer, Hearn, Arum, or Oscar or anyone else. All I care about are the fights.

But they didn't rank the champion of another organization. They granted his request to fight for Pascal's diamond title and to become the mandatory if he won. So he wasn't actually ranked, he was WBC diamond champion and named mandatory to the WBC world champion at his request. The WBC gave Kovalev everything he asked for and he still ducked Stevenson. I am with you 100% on Kov. He practically begged to be Adonis' mandatory, knowing it is supposedly against their own rules. When they granted Kov his request, Kov proved he didn't want the fight, he just wanted to make people think he did. MDpopesco or whoever, gave a helpful link. It shows the WBC is corrupt, but not nearly as corrupt as they seem. Hey, I do owe you a thank you from quite a while ago. You insisted the IBF wasn't corrupt, and as a boxing fan, I thought all four were completely corrupt. You were right. They don't take bribes and stick to their rules. Which ironically enough causes them to have some bum mandatory's sometimes and to strip big name, big money fighters. Anyway, you explained how the four bodies work, and you were right. Our paths haven't crossed since then, but I do appreciate the insight. Gracias, my friend. It is appreciated.

The WBC is a joke. They could at least order some bum for a mandatory. Four and a half years without a mando?!? I mean dang, at least make whoever he wanted to fight as a mandatory or something. No mando's for five years. The WBC isn't even trying to look like they aren't corrupt. At least put on a show and act like you aren't taking bribes.

Does Rigo have a real chance at beating Loma? Yes. Will Arum let anyone who isn't signed with him and who might win fight Loma? No. It has been proven hundreds of times over the decades and nothing has changed.

No, Tyson didn't put England on the map, because England never once claimed him. He is a freakin gypsy. A people without a land. Also, England is a pretty major country with a long, rich boxing history. All the British fighters of today have previous ones to thank for their opportunity. English boxing has been on the map for decades, some highs and some lows. All we want to see is if Wilder can put U.S. heavyweights back on the map. But we need AJ to agree to fight him, or at least someone who can pass the ped tests until that happens.