TS needs to get over it.
Jeff bullied Pac to a decision.
No-one should win a fight if their getting bullied inside the ring. Pacman could of kept going after the 9th but he thought he would cruise to a decision.
Bad luck to Manny.
Well done Jeff Horn.
He's accepted a fight he is almost guaranteed to lose. With it, he loses his belt. When he loses his belt, he loses future paydays.
A lot of fighters would be holding out to make sure they got every possible dollar in this sort of situation.
Horn put the fight before the money. I wish more guys would do the same.
Horn didn't have a choice. Bud was mandatory. Do you really think Arum would have let Horn choose his next opponent?
Mundine offered Horn $2 million for a fight. Horn would have took it, but that belt is property of Bob Arum.
I wouldn't be surprised if Arum paid the judges in the Pac fight. Think about it, with Pac at ww and refusing to fight Bud, what was Bud supposed to do? He was never going to fight a young lion like Prograis. He sure isn't about to fight Thurman, DSG, Porter, or Spence.
This was the only way to get Bud an easy title at 147. And without it being for a paper title, only Arum and Andrea Hale would have defended anyone outside the top 5 at the weight.
I'm a fan of the Hornet, but he didn't have a choice. Arum owns that belt. He has paid dang good money for it, and no schoolteacher is going to take it from him for long.
After seeing this, I just want Crawford to sistematically break him down, body and mind, and after bullying him for 11 rounds knock him out in the most violent way possible. And please ref, don't stop this by yourself
Ur obviously a Pac hater... I mean if you made some valid point Id give them to you, but u keeps spitting bs. Everybody saw Pac winning except the normal haters.
Im a Pac fan and I think they robbed MArquez in the third fight. m a fan not a groupie... Horn list the fight and noway he was scared to fight Horn.. He didnt want the fight in Australia after getting robbed.
Last time I answer ur dumb replies.
Oh, really??? lmao. Did you forget two judges who saw it live had the Hornet winning? Did you forget it was reviewed because Manny cried so much, and those judges all scored it for Horn.
Fact is Horn was the better man that night.
Why is Bud even fighting Horn then? Pac could win back his title but would instead fight a career gatekeeper for no belt?!?
Man, you are seriously delusional. Or maybe Bud, Thurman, DSG, Porter, Spence all want Matthysse! He's the biggest fight out there! Over the Hornet and a title!
Pac got stung, and is scared of a rematch. Why else refuse the rematch?
Oh god ur not so smart. Wont reply anymore to ur stupidity. Pac was scared of Horn rematch haha. MAtthysse prob KO Horn...
Pac got robbed and it is what it is.
One thing I agree is Pac is shot and should just hang them up.
Pac was scared of a rematch. There is no denying that. He asked for a rematch clause, got it, and then got beaten up and decided he would rather fight a career gatekeeper at 140.
The Horn rematch woulda paid better, and was for a title. Pac ran off with his tail between his legs and admitted that a fight with a gatekeeper who recently quit a fight because he got hit in the eye is a 50-50 fight.
Nothing you say will change the fact that Pac was and is scared of any rematch with the Hornet. He asked for the rematch clause increase of a lucky ko or a robbery. It was neither, it was a beating. And that is why Pac didn't want anything else to do with the Hornet.
You are right Horn has no leverage. And yet Pac was still scared of a rematch. He had the right to a rematch. If he thought he could win back his title, he would have. Fact is, he didn't. He instead chose to fight a washed-up, 140 lb. career gatekeeper for no title.
Ur obviously a Pac hater... I mean if you made some valid point Id give them to you, but u keeps spitting bs. Everybody saw Pac winning except the normal haters.
Im a Pac fan and I think they robbed MArquez in the third fight. m a fan not a groupie... Horn list the fight and noway he was scared to fight Horn.. He didnt want the fight in Australia after getting robbed.
Last time I answer ur dumb replies.
He's accepted a fight he is almost guaranteed to lose. With it, he loses his belt. When he loses his belt, he loses future paydays.
A lot of fighters would be holding out to make sure they got every possible dollar in this sort of situation.
Horn put the fight before the money. I wish more guys would do the same.
Agree... He still had a belt he doesnt deserve but thats not his fault. I dont like fighters who fighting a sh*t dirty fight but I respect his heart.
He lost to a washed up Pac and now will get badly hurt vs a prime Crawford and than he will become irrelevant..
U think Horn has any leverage at the negotiation table? Lolcome on man. And I agree he takes big fight, ill give u tha. He still is a dirty fighter ...
You are right Horn has no leverage. And yet Pac was still scared of a rematch. He had the right to a rematch. If he thought he could win back his title, he would have. Fact is, he didn't. He instead chose to fight a washed-up, 140 lb. career gatekeeper for no title.
U think Horn has any leverage at the negotiation table? Lolcome on man.
He's accepted a fight he is almost guaranteed to lose. With it, he loses his belt. When he loses his belt, he loses future paydays.
A lot of fighters would be holding out to make sure they got every possible dollar in this sort of situation.
Horn put the fight before the money. I wish more guys would do the same.
:bottle: There you go, have bottle and your binkie, it will be alright.
You are still crying over a 40 year old fighter who lost fair and square! Even Pac admits a fight with someone like Matthysse is a 50-50 fight now. This is Matthysse in 2018, by the way.
Pac had a chance to prove you right and come back and beat Horn, with plenty of working the ref before the fight. The fact is he chose not to.
Pac turned down a chance to fight the Hornet for his old title. Because he knew he would lose again. You can cry all you want, but the fact is Manny was literally scared of a rematch with the Hornet. No amount of crying will change that.
Oh god ur not so smart. Wont reply anymore to ur stupidity. Pac was scared of Horn rematch haha. MAtthysse prob KO Horn...
Pac got robbed and it is what it is.
One thing I agree is Pac is shot and should just hang them up.
Oh ok the opinion of a Manny hater matters now lol. Most people saw a robbery and a dirty fight where the guy chokes the other guy, lead with his head and keeps elbowing him. U didnt watch the vid obviously.
:bottle: There you go, have bottle and your binkie, it will be alright.
You are still crying over a 40 year old fighter who lost fair and square! Even Pac admits a fight with someone like Matthysse is a 50-50 fight now. This is Matthysse in 2018, by the way.
Pac had a chance to prove you right and come back and beat Horn, with plenty of working the ref before the fight. The fact is he chose not to.
Pac turned down a chance to fight the Hornet for his old title. Because he knew he would lose again. You can cry all you want, but the fact is Manny was literally scared of a rematch with the Hornet. No amount of crying will change that.
Horn takes on the toughest fights he can. He doesn't play diva at the negotiating table, and accepts smaller pay so that fights can be made. He shows up to fight, not to just collect the money.
We need more fighters who are like Horn, not less.
Agreed - the OP is not a fan of boxing. Just a simple brained hater.
U think Horn has any leverage at the negotiation table? Lolcome on man. And I agree he takes big fight, ill give u tha. He still is a dirty fighter ...
Horn takes on the toughest fights he can. He doesn't play diva at the negotiating table, and accepts smaller pay so that fights can be made. He shows up to fight, not to just collect the money.
We need more fighters who are like Horn, not less.
Agreed - the OP is not a fan of boxing. Just a simple brained hater.
Crawford doesnt fight dirty. Dont mind showboating as it doesnt change the outcome of a fight. But headbulls, choking, shoulders in the heads and pushing the head does change the fight. Pac is too passive and didnt respond. Crawford is a dog and I doubt he will let that happen. You can bet Horn will try his sh*t tactics and Im pretty sure the ref has been warned.
Yes, that is how Pac lost. Horn pushed the action and Pac didn't have an answer. He got stung early on by the Hornet and then kept trying to run in with his head down to avoid getting stung again.
I get it though, its Pac and so no one ever wants to admit he ever lost any fight. Always some excuse. The fact is after Manny felt the sting of the Hornet, he was done. He was scared of crapping his pants in the ring again, like when JMM laid him out. Like I said, Bud should destroy the Hornet, because the Hornet isn't really good at all. It was like Pac was a girl. Letting the Hornet do whatever he wanted to him.
This is professional boxing. If you are passive and let your opponent do whatever he wants, you are going to lose. You have to be a man and fight. Pac didn't do that, he is too old and battle-worn.
No need to hate on the Hornet, if he didn't do it someone else would have. In fact, someone else may have well knocked him completely unconscious again. The Hornet will lose to Bud. And all that will prove is how pathetic it is that Pac is still fighting at this point in time.
lmao, is this real? Pac fans still crying??? Horn beat him fair and square. What is the Hornet supposed to do when his opponent keeps his head at crotch level? The fact is the Hornet stung Pac and Pac went into panic mode and lost. Pac looked like a 40 year old. The Hornet isn't great, he isn't even that good really, but he is better than a 40 year old Pac.
Anyways, it doesn't matter because I'm sure Manny just hopped in some saltwater and healed up all of his injuries.
Oh ok the opinion of a Manny hater matters now lol. Most people saw a robbery and a dirty fight where the guy chokes the other guy, lead with his head and keeps elbowing him. U didnt watch the vid obviously.
ZERO problem with Horn Style! Do WHATEVER The FUK it takes to win PERIOD! Even Crawford said he has no problem with his style. You come in Prepared for it that is all you can do because he is not going to do whatever it takes to keep is title :dunno:
lmao, is this real? Pac fans still crying??? Horn beat him fair and square. What is the Hornet supposed to do when his opponent keeps his head at crotch level? The fact is the Hornet stung Pac and Pac went into panic mode and lost. Pac looked like a 40 year old. The Hornet isn't great, he isn't even that good really, but he is better than a 40 year old Pac.
Anyways, it doesn't matter because I'm sure Manny just hopped in some saltwater and healed up all of his injuries.
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