Haymon and DAZN???

Agreed but I think you agree it’s more likely to be be an exclusive deal than not. Hard to consider it an "exclusive deal" when WBSS is on DAZN. It's possible Hearn was able to get a non-WBSS exclusive. WBSS was talking to DAZN before Hearn was. I have a hard time believing WBSS had to go through Hearn to get the DAZN deal, but anything is possible. Maybe they did have to.

I'm fine with that. But the other poster was claiming to know, even though clearly they didn't. Agreed but I think you agree it’s more likely to be be an exclusive deal than not.

Good move by Haymon! The more outlets the better.

THere is no evidence either way so basically nobody knows. I'm fine with that. But the other poster was claiming to know, even though clearly they didn't.

Well, DAZN was founded in Europe so they probably wanted someone that ties from there to run it. I mean do you really think Haymon turns down a deal like that? Only way he would turn it down is if he has some other deal he close to getting done. No one is turning that type of deal down, especially not someone with the amount of fighters Haymon has.No one said Haymon turned it down. I am saying that DAZN talked with Haymon and they turned Haymon down among others. I am sure they probably talked to GBP maybe Sauerland too. I don't think they would just go to Hearn and that is the only promoter they talked to.

Right, but the person making the initial claim has the onus to prove themselves. I don't have to prove a negative. So the poster who said Hearn had the exclusive, and I asked what the evidence was, the answer is there's no evidence. THere is no evidence either way so basically nobody knows. I am betting it is exclusive. Or else PBC, GBP etc would be trying to get a piece

so they just offered this billion dollar deal without shopping it? That sure makes sense Well, DAZN was founded in Europe so they probably wanted someone that ties from there to run it. I mean do you really think Haymon turns down a deal like that? Only way he would turn it down is if he has some other deal he close to getting done. No one is turning that type of deal down, especially not someone with the amount of fighters Haymon has.

theres no Evidence they didn’t go through him for the WBSS either. It works both ways. Right, but the person making the initial claim has the onus to prove themselves. I don't have to prove a negative. So the poster who said Hearn had the exclusive, and I asked what the evidence was, the answer is there's no evidence.

There's no prove he's exclusive. There is proof he's not exclusive. The fact that he's literally not exclusive. WBSS got on. You say, well maybe WBSS had to go through him. Okay. Maybe. Willing to consider the possibility. But there's no evidence that is the case. He doesn't have 250 guaranteed. The rights fee goes up as the deal progresses. It's not 125 per year.theres no Evidence they didn’t go through him for the WBSS either. It works both ways. There is evidence however that Hearn is involved in the finals of the 168 lb WBSS. As for the money we know Hearn has a lot more money to play with per year for first two years than showtime gives pbc and showtime is using their entire budget ( AJ the exception for now ) on PBC (excluding low budget shobox) So it stands to reason that there won’t be any other boxing purchased by dAZN

i asked u for proof he isn’t exclusive and you said the WBSS is your proof. So make up your mind. You are going back and forth. There's no prove he's exclusive. There is proof he's not exclusive. The fact that he's literally not exclusive. WBSS got on. You say, well maybe WBSS had to go through him. Okay. Maybe. Willing to consider the possibility. But there's no evidence that is the case. If Hearn has 250 mil guaranteed for 2 years and potential of 1 bil over 8 years logic says it’s probably exclusive and the their other capital will go for other sports. He doesn't have 250 guaranteed. The rights fee goes up as the deal progresses. It's not 125 per year.

I don't. I've said repeatedly that I don't know if he has an exclusive or not, but the fact that the WBSS is on DAZN would indicate he may not have the exclusive. What reason is there to believe he's exclusive other than him saying so? Him saying something isn't proof of anything.i asked u for proof he isn’t exclusive and you said the WBSS is your proof. So make up your mind. You are going back and forth. If Hearn has 250 mil guaranteed for 2 years and potential of 1 bil over 8 years logic says it’s probably exclusive and the their other capital will go for other sports.

You sure they spoke to those parties? I'm not too sure about that.so they just offered this billion dollar deal without shopping it? That sure makes sense

how do u know he isn’t involved in that? Dan Rafael said Hearn was not involved in that deal....Hearn says that's not exactly true. Believe who you want.

how do u know he isn’t involved in that? I don't. I've said repeatedly that I don't know if he has an exclusive or not, but the fact that the WBSS is on DAZN would indicate he may not have the exclusive. What reason is there to believe he's exclusive other than him saying so? Him saying something isn't proof of anything.

Actually, Haymon didn't try to "tie up" every network. I'm pretty sure all of his deals, were not exclusive. Meaning all the networks were free to show boxing for other promoters. That is why the case got tossed out. Arum and GB tried to say that the deals didn't allow other networks to show their fights. But the deals didn't say that at all, and thus, they got tossed out and cost TR and GB court costs and lawyer fees. Basically Arum and Oscar were mad that PBC was putting on so many fights, so they sued, and they lost. If Haymon did have contracts forbidding the networks from showing other fights, it most likely would have been ruled illegal. I don't know of any deal that forbids a network from showing rival promoters cards. ESPN shows some crappy GB cards and they show TR fights. hbo did show fights from TR, Loeffler, Hearn, and Duva. hbo and espn contracts do prohibit the fighters signed to them from fighting on other networks, but the networks themselves are allowed to show any fight they want. They just usually refrain from hyping up a promotional company signed to a rival network.see your wrong again. As part of their settlement with TR, PBC Alfred to renounce their exclusivity. Look it up. It’s all over the place. That’s how TR was Abel to get their deal on ESPN. Fox, NBC, spike, etc were all exclusive. That’s why the PBC started right after Main Events deal with NBC ended and that’s why Espn did away with Friday night fights. Golden boys cards on espn are a time buy and that deal was done before top rank’s deal was done where Espn pays for fights. Showtime doesn’t have an exclusivity deal with Haymon being that they show Joshua fights well until he goes to DAZN but Haymon leverages his stable so that they don’t try to bid on a Golden Boy Card.

Because WBSS is going to be on DAZN. So right off the bat we know Hearn doesn't have the exclusive on boxing on DAZN.how do u know he isn’t involved in that?

so where’s your proof it isn’t exclusive? When Eddie negotiated the deal I’m sure DAZN spoke with Haymon GBP etc. Hearn had the best pitch You sure they spoke to those parties? I'm not too sure about that.

This is my first hearing about this DAZN. It does make sense though. It sounds a lot like ESPN+ except they show world class soccer, and in some countries DAZN shows NBA, NFL, pro tennis, pro darts, rugby, and ice hockey. PBC can put on a lot more fights than TR and PBC could consistently put on better fights. Even without the NFL and/or NBA, it would be like ESPN+ but slightly better. Most of the better fights might still be on Showtime, but with roughly 200 fighters, PBC could put on decent boxing at least once a week. While PBC was doing the network tv run, they still had some of the better fights on Showtime. Don't know if it is true or not, but it makes sense. It would only be a good thing if the quality and quantity of fights are worth the subscription cost. It could be a great deal, showing great boxing year-round. Or it could just have a lot of second and third tier fighters, plus an elite guy vs. an opponent, and then throw in one or two great fights a year. That would take away some top fights from Showtime, but still not make DAZN worth the cost. Bottom line, it could be awesome for boxing or bad for boxing fans, it would all depend on the fights Haymon would put on. As for Hearn, it matters very little if he was in on the PBC deal or not. I don't care if the official promoter for a fight is Dibella, Schaefer, Hearn, Arum, or Oscar or anyone else. All I care about are the fights.

Apples and Oranges. Haymon tried to tie up EVERY network. TR and MR have two exclusivity with one entity each and aren't trying to make a monopoly. Haymon has Showtime with the exception of Anthony Joshua all to himself so why don't you mention that? Haymon is doing it on Showtime right now isn't he? So you are saying that is bad and hurts boxing right? Actually, Haymon didn't try to "tie up" every network. I'm pretty sure all of his deals, were not exclusive. Meaning all the networks were free to show boxing for other promoters. That is why the case got tossed out. Arum and GB tried to say that the deals didn't allow other networks to show their fights. But the deals didn't say that at all, and thus, they got tossed out and cost TR and GB court costs and lawyer fees. Basically Arum and Oscar were mad that PBC was putting on so many fights, so they sued, and they lost. If Haymon did have contracts forbidding the networks from showing other fights, it most likely would have been ruled illegal. I don't know of any deal that forbids a network from showing rival promoters cards. ESPN shows some crappy GB cards and they show TR fights. hbo did show fights from TR, Loeffler, Hearn, and Duva. hbo and espn contracts do prohibit the fighters signed to them from fighting on other networks, but the networks themselves are allowed to show any fight they want. They just usually refrain from hyping up a promotional company signed to a rival network.

so where’s your proof it isn’t exclusive? Because WBSS is going to be on DAZN. So right off the bat we know Hearn doesn't have the exclusive on boxing on DAZN.