No he wasn't! Tito Trinidad would of whooped him.
Tito Trinidad wasn't a career lightweight who went up to Middleweight winning titles the whole way there.
Tito would have been left crying on the floor as his illegally padded gloves and fists get powdered into dust from hitting Haglers head and he's **** n pissed all down his legs as Hagler whips them bodyshots in.
Duran would have demolished Tito and his resume proves who the better fighter is.
After Duran you still have guys like Salvador Sanchez who ****s all over Tito hopkinsed into obscurity dad.
you dope and you realize barkley wasnt a very good mw. and big whoop. so hes a 2 div champ. i still dont see how hes top 10 atg
Imagine Jorge Linares goes up to Middleweight and stops David Lemiuex after Linares having over 70 fights at lightweight and being at the end of his career.
That's almost equivalent to what Duran.
He could if he were a natural MW. People keep saying how small duran is... Yet if you look at his back you can tell hes clearly a MW
But he's not. Neither was Duran.
I've met Duran in real life, he's 5'7 tops.
You call that a natural middleweight?
If Duran was a natural MW he wouldn't have been able to have 70 plus fights at lightweight.
Pacman already obliterated a white boi at 140
It can be like that again if Loma wants the smoke
Actually Pacquiao lost that, to a full time Teacher, 100% White Australian.
Post and discuss
Absolutely hate the guys style of fighting but there's absolutely no doubt he's easily top 100 of all time. He's a great fighter. I just can't stand watching him.
Cardarine aka GW50156 can take you from couch potato to clearing miles on the 4th day of taking it.
Baby Miller got caught taking it funnily enough but then what wasn't he on lol. Test and HGH too. Probably fast burning orals and no ester Trenbolone.
People who think you can't beat these tests are crazy, they've basically admitted they've still not found a way to detect HGH doping, which is odd as Miller was caught using HGH...they had literally a two hour window to even possibly detect it and he'd have to have gigantic doses.
It's also possible that you saw a natural athlete dedicate a whole training camp to speed, stamina and moving as opposed to dedicating it to fast, explosive bursts of huge power shots and fast twitch muscles.
He's still in hiding so you're jumping the gun a little talking about excuses and future losses when it's not even proven he will box again, at world level, or at all.
I'm just wondering if people think his fans will use the accident as an excuse should he come back and lose which is a lot of speculation and jumping of the gun, yeah.
Like you said he might not come back. If he does he might not lose. Etc etc.
Mayweather is pretty dumb. He can't read at an elementary school level.
Ring IQ isn't education.
Also not being able to read is a sign of no education, not low IQ.
Naseem was finished by the time the Barrera fight came. His hunger was gone, love for the sport gone and wasn't even training properly.
He'd lost half a step in movement by the time he even fought Kelly and Naseem needed movement like we need oxygen.
It's a myth that Barrera destroyed Naseem, he fought smart, stuck to the basics and won a clear decision.
Didn't see Naseem close to being stopped in that fight nor was he busted up. Clean, easy loss. Nothing more.
https://sports-yahoo-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/chuck-liddell-believes-he-would-beat-mike-tyson-in-a-street-fight-144329801.html?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fchuck-liddell-believes-he-would-beat-mike-tyson-in-a-street-fight-144329801.html
Chuck, time to put the rolled up note away and get off the coke buddy.
You've been damaged good for years, look what Tito did to you and you embarassed him in his prime.
You don't follow a healthy lifestyle and you've been knocked out cold a dangerous amount of times now.
Please say sorry, retract this n enjoy your life, you don't want ANYTHING to do with this fire mate, Mike even at this point will ****ing hurt you, seriously hurt you in ways you've never considered.
Just leave it alone Chuck.
Good luck getting paid by the sand people. Funny part is, it's not that they don't have the money, 106 million is peanuts to them it's just down to them being greedy snakey sand people who won't give up a cent if they don't have to.
E.g it's like earning six figures a year but drinking a can of soda n eating a bag of crisps without paying while walking around a store shopping, if you don't have to pay then why pay lol.
Khan never got paid a tenth of what was promised either.
His power is overrated because of his image and physique, if he hits someone perfect he could probably put them out but he's not got that one punch Tommy Hearns power.
From reading the headline I just knew white people would get their panties up in a bunch about this even though he didn't say a damn thing about race :pat:
So if someone said they like beating Africans up or let's take it down a notch, Jamaicans or Nigerians you don't think blacks would be crying racism?
So in your mind British = white people??
That is the textbook definition of racism.
Wait, wait, so in YOUR mind Africa, Jamaica and Nigeria = black people?
That is the textbook definition of racism.
See, I can be a retard too.
People are really underrating Tommy Morrison, they're quick to forget he suffered from Hollywood movies syndrome and then severe aids.
Each time Morrison got stopped as well was from a relentless combo where he's hit like 8+ times flush on the chin.
We like to boast about Wilders ferocious power...well I'm pretty sure a well timed left hook from Tommy would put AJ and Wilder to sleep (both have average chins from what we've seen so far) and would probably put Fury on the canvas.
People forget Tommy Morrison was a legitimate good heavyweight with one of the best left hooks in the business solely because he was expected to be the next white hope when if you look at his career, the era he was fighting in and the people he best....I'd say he wasn't too far off living up to that title he stayed relevant top 5-10 in an era of fantastic black heavyweights an era where AJ would do about as good as Bruno, possibly worse without Don King fixing fights for him, Wilder would be a Corrie Sanders with Stamina and Fury would be the only possible question mark out of the three considering his style, height and weight combined with a good chin.
tl;dr Morrison was successful in a heavyweight era where Wilder and Joshua would be top 10 contenders at best with Fury the only one with a chance at picking up a belt. Morrison being horribly underrated.
Agreed.
I think showboating a guy who you're supposed to beat is a pretty queer thing to do but the mean streak, I like. Him getting rough, I'm down with.
This is pro BOXING. If I was interested in sanitary combat I'd watch the amateurs. I'm glad Loma has shaken off that amateur system mentality. He fought kids for way too long. He's a pro now and he's fighting for the fans. I think he's really grown into the role.
If he fights Garcia, he's going to have to tap into that mean streak and get rough because Mikey is a big, strong dude that knows the science.
Kovalev tried to bully Ward with rabbit punching that's why he got nailed to the balls. I'd never recommend getting dirty with Ward, that guy will not take **** from no one.
Also agree about Loma, it's good to see he's learning how to fight like a pro now, his clean fighting cost him vs Salido, this is the hurt game!
The British never used IQ testing to exterminate dark people, and you obviously have no fucking idea of what Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection is all about. Whose twisted version of history did you get that nonsense from?
It really pisses me off, the way some Americans project their own racial paranoia onto Brits and other Europeans at this place.
The hilarious thing about Americans saying that **** is how Black people were still second class citizens in their country only 60 years ago.
Where as the British were the ones who actually ended slavery. Like, 200 years ago.
I'll never forgot that Black Olympian who competed in the Berlin Olympics commenting that he was treated better in Nazi Germany as a black man than he was in the USA, a country he represented and won medals for.
90% of TV is white.... Why they needed BET.... Its a reason the word token black guy came about cuz movies had zero blacks in it.
You can say the same about white people, own 90% of the pie then complain when minorities demand their 10%. The fact you over here calling me people clowns and generalizing them is exactly why i hate these sneaky race baiting threads for guys like you to take the bait and start talking shyt.
Smh
The white people who own most of that 90% make up about 1,000 people, the rest of the whites are down in that 10% you speak of with the rest of everyone else.
It's such a dishonest argument to make, what you're doing is taking an elite, closed off population and because they share racial similarities, you're applying their wealth to the whole of that race.
You know there's more white people on the poverty line in the USA than the total population of black people living in the USA, rich to poor?
Where's the affirmative action, social funding programs and government help for that group of people?
You're intellectually dishonest to have done what you did.
There's women dressed in bikinis who have 10-20x that many followers.
I Agree he's not unknown in the boxing world and he's become semi known especially after the Fury fight to the casual and public world.
He's far from a superstar though which I just don't understand why....
I'm white English but I'll be the first to admit boxing was built on Black Americans and Boxing's biggest and best superstars have historically and still are Black American's.....
So why isn't a 6'8 209lb Black Heavyweight champion with a near 100% K.O ratio in 40 odd fights who swings with such venomous hurtful intent he literally jumps across the ring with each swing of his hand and twists like a tornado due to the power and strength of his momentum a MASSIVE ****ING SUPERSTAR????
WTF IS GOING ON?
I understand Fury, the constant underdog, white hope, surprisingly charismatic, actually a great boxer and comes back from adversity to win, possibly imo the best white heavyweight ever with maybe Vitali having a shot at him. So.Fury I understand.
Anthony Joshua....he has the hype and exposure WILDER SHOULD HAVE. AJ is a modern day Frank Bruno or at best a lesser man's Wladimir who let's his hands go a bit more. I really don't see him beating Wilder or Fury, his best chance is outboxing Wilder by jab and running the whole night and walking him into cheeky right hands and pray he avoids having his chin touched.
I don't see what possible chance in this world he has against Fury who will do to AJ what he did to Wlad only even easier because AJ hasn't got Wlads defence.
Too long and didn't read? I can't explain why Wilder isn't a massive superstar, he has every attribute necessary.
Yea great KO, but best part was how he set it up with the throw away left hooks to get Hasim to move his head into LL right.Boy the Brits will go nuts over this, but Wilder hits harder then Lewis, not rated as high(at least yet)but he hits harder one punch for one punch.
I watched Lennox Lewis live vs Golota and I promise you, you think Wilder hits hard? Every punch Lewis threw echod into the entire Arena, I was about 70ft away and could hear the Thuds off everything Lewis landed.
Sorry but when Lewis hit you, it was good night. He ripped half of Vitalis face off with punches in the last fight of his career. A prime iron faced Vitali.
Lewis would also time his punches and set them up skilfully so that you wouldn't even see it coming, that makes for far more devastating power than untimed wild haymakers. Look what a 3 year coked up.obese lay off Tyson Fury did to Wilder, he made him miss 99.99% of the fight and when he managed to land his perfect punch Tyson got up and Wilder had no answer.
Fury really got robbed that night, most objective people agree, no one came away from that fight saying Wilder is a good boxer.
I think Wilder would have benefited greatly from some Kronk Gym training. Imagine Wilder with Emmanuels offensive teaching, he fits the Tommy Hearns mould perfectly and Emmanuel would have him hitting people right on the button with timed jab to the body over hand rights to the chin.
Basically Wilder is brute brute force and power, he's a phenom in that he's such a devastating punched he's not needed to learn boxing or timing, until he met Fury.
Lewis hits harder because of timing+the set up of his bone breaking punches.
If Wilder had great timing and punch set up he'd probably be the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.
But he doesn't and doesn't seem willing to learn.
No hate I enjoy his fights he's a beast but I walk away from his fights disappointed because I know if he's had a guy like Emmanuel or even Roach he'd be undisputed best. He'd put Tyson away as soon as he had him hurt if he has the proper training.
wlad? and no joe frazier? :lol1: :lol1:
6'7, 250lb, 8% bodyfat boxer throwing an accurate, powerful and swift left hook is a sight to behold man, a guy that huge hitting people like that? It's crazy.
That said Smokin Joe, phewwwwwwww.... being hit by one of them left nukes? How did Ali get up...............
patterson, frazier, tyson, morrison, holyfield would be my picks.
but you could have louis, tua or cooney in there as well. walcott isn't a bad pick either.
wlads hook wasn't nearly consistent enough to be on the list. or versatile enough for that matter, dude couldnt even throw a liver shot and had very few set ups. just one range too. terrible pick..
frazier and holyfield in particular could find a million ways to get that punch in. different spots, set ups, range, angles etc.. thats a great hooker!
The problem is Wlad was so boring most people probably haven't even watched 20% of his career but trust me Wlad could whip that left hook in like he was drawing a Picasso.
Forgot who he was against but I remember him laying someone out with a triple left hook.
People forget Wlads the first truly new age monster heavyweight. 6'7 250lbs and 8% bodyfat, phenomenal athlete but sadly completely safety first and horribly boring due to a lack of confidence in his own ability to take a punch which looking back at the times he's been stopped or hurt was him getting clipped, panicking and throwing all of his boxing ability out the window while he gets swarmed with wild haymakers and power shots.