Would prime Tommy Morrison be undisputed HW champion against the current crop?

Look at Jarrell Miller, Miller has nothing, and should not be mentioned in the same sentence as even 40something foreman.

like I mentioned a few pages back, a 44 year old Larry Holmes (after his second retirement) beat a 30 year old undefeated Ray Mercer who had just almost murdered Tommy Morrison a few months earlier.mercer and morrison were mediocre, one with a great chin the other with great media coverage. Larry Holmes is the arguable number 3 best ever HW H2H. He didnt win not title at 44, I tihnk you agree, but he was clever. Whilst I agree that the proliferation of titles made winning a title easier in the 90s, the top fighters were much better than today. The OP had to use Jarrell MIller as his shining example, speaks volumes. Miller is this decades Eric Esch.

Your logic is flipped.no. ONE 40something and NO others makes it in 90s. Thats the exception. If there were several it would be the rule. How do you even manage to write "your logic is flipped?" without a hint of self irony. As it happens we are seeing more near 40 year olds "contending" these days.

The fact that a 41 year old Wladimir Klitschko was able to give AJ a very difficult fight speaks volumes about how weak the 2010s division was. Not to mention, Wladimir had been stopped previously by Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders, and Ross Puritty. Wow, AJ must be a terrible fighter to struggle hard against an old Wladimir who clearly proved himself to be a bum!111!1 Let's not forget Wilder vs grandpa Ortiz, who is 'supposedly' 39 now. Buster Douglas was actually a decent fighter with a lack of work ethic. When he fought Tyson, the tables were turned. Tyson was the one who lacked, and Douglas actually became a dedicated fighter. Too bad it didn't last for long, when he turned into a fat **** for his next fight against Holyfield. Jarrell Miller doesn't have even half the resume Foreman does. The ****? So what if Rahman knocked out Lewis? Lewis avenged that loss, did he not? Wlad was a ripped 40 year old though and AJ at the time was barely 3 1/2 years pro. It'd be one thing if Foreman was actually in shape but he literally had his **** and belly hanging out, and he was coming out of retirement. Ortiz is in much better shape at 240lbs as well, Foreman was a fat 250-257 in the 90s and had a close MD win against Stewart. You're talking about different classes of fighters here. Steward version Wlad wasn't getting sparked out like Lewis was. Pre-Steward Wlad would've lost to any modern HW too. Miller gets criticized for not being in shape and is used as an example of a "Fat" heavyweight despite him being in significantly better shape than an old fat Foreman that won a title in the 90's. Ortiz, Miller, etc. are knocking out Alex Stewart level guys, not going to close decisions like 90's Foreman was.

Your logic is flipped, if that happened to Wilder/AJ/Fury, how do you think this forum would react? I'm guessing with laughter. Look at Jarrell Miller, he gets criticized for being overweight yet the guy is like 50lbs heavier than that version of Foreman & in significantly better shape. Douglas KO'd Tyson, Rahman Lewis, Foreman Moorer, etc. That's 3 champions from that era that were knocked out by the caliber of fighters AJ, Wilder, Fury toy with. Douglas was a good fighter though. Just didn't have his heart in it/was lazy. Lots of guys are like that.

thats just one 40something though, you'd need evidence of more than one to prove your point. in fact your evidence proves the opposite, that the 40something was outstanding. like I mentioned a few pages back, a 44 year old Larry Holmes (after his second retirement) beat a 30 year old undefeated Ray Mercer who had just almost murdered Tommy Morrison a few months earlier.

He'd be David Price level. The fact that an obese, 40 year old with a mummy guard was able to win a title speaks volumes about how weak the 90s division was. https://tapdownsports.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/george-foreman-ko.jpeg The fact that a 41 year old Wladimir Klitschko was able to give AJ a very difficult fight speaks volumes about how weak the 2010s division was. Not to mention, Wladimir had been stopped previously by Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders, and Ross Puritty. Wow, AJ must be a terrible fighter to struggle hard against an old Wladimir who clearly proved himself to be a bum!111!1 Let's not forget Wilder vs grandpa Ortiz, who is 'supposedly' 39 now. Your logic is flipped, if that happened to Wilder/AJ/Fury, how do you think this forum would react? I'm guessing with laughter. Look at Jarrell Miller, he gets criticized for being overweight yet the guy is like 50lbs heavier than that version of Foreman & in significantly better shape. Douglas KO'd Tyson, Rahman Lewis, Foreman Moorer, etc. That's 3 champions from that era that were knocked out by the caliber of fighters AJ, Wilder, Fury toy with. Buster Douglas was actually a decent fighter with a lack of work ethic. When he fought Tyson, the tables were turned. Tyson was the one who lacked, and Douglas actually became a dedicated fighter. Too bad it didn't last for long, when he turned into a fat **** for his next fight against Holyfield. Jarrell Miller doesn't have even half the resume Foreman does. The ****? So what if Rahman knocked out Lewis? Lewis avenged that loss, did he not?

thats just one 40something though, you'd need evidence of more than one to prove your point. in fact your evidence proves the opposite, that the 40something was outstanding. Your logic is flipped, if that happened to Wilder/AJ/Fury, how do you think this forum would react? I'm guessing with laughter. Look at Jarrell Miller, he gets criticized for being overweight yet the guy is like 50lbs heavier than that version of Foreman & in significantly better shape. Douglas KO'd Tyson, Rahman Lewis, Foreman Moorer, etc. That's 3 champions from that era that were knocked out by the caliber of fighters AJ, Wilder, Fury toy with.

Grew up pretty much without TV and and with a lot of books, man. Didn't formally study anything, though my old man used to make me read political philosphy in my early teens - tested me on that ish too. Ran away from home when I was like 17 and never got back into education - just dribs and drabs here and there, some night classes and stuff, but I never stopped reading and never lost my curiosity. Well what you used in your post was very well done, and it is quite a sophisticated image. Medieval European philosophy became obsessed with logically proving the existence of God. And of course... Lets not forget Angels! Some of the logic became ridiculous, and one such enterprise was allegedly showing how many Angels could fit on a pin. Monty Python also spoofs some more of the crazier stuff like for example, if the world sits on a giant turtle, what does the giant turtle sit upon? Or, a witch is light and airy and will float on the surface of the water....you know the rest lol. Books are imo the best teacher there is. I studied philosophy formally up to the MA level with a few years towards PHD at University of Toronto and while it was fun, it was hardly necessary to be a philosopher. Its great to see someone else who grew up with books lol. I was in a similar situation growing up actually, as I would cut school, but would go home and read from our library which is now in my mother's apartment lol. I am 55 so the library has remained in tact which makes me feel good.

He'd be David Price level. The fact that an obese, 40 year old with a mummy guard was able to win a title speaks volumes about how weak the 90s division was. https://tapdownsports.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/george-foreman-ko.jpeg thats just one 40something though, you'd need evidence of more than one to prove your point. in fact your evidence proves the opposite, that the 40something was outstanding.

no, but he could maybe win one belt, fair chance of doing it.

He'd be David Price level. Come on, man. Tommy at his best was a hell of a lot better than David Price.

Indeed. I also think Tommy's footwork wasn't up to much... funny thing is I'm watching those highlights wondering how Sasha could lose, but I know there'll be other folk watching the same footage thinking the exact opposite.*shrugs* Povetkin's boxing skills are underrated, imo, due to him being a short, stocky puncher in an era when long armed, 6' 3" plus HWs are the norm, at least in the top flight. You don't win Olympic gold without being able to box. He definitely has more skills than Tommy, better stamina, and a better chin. Sasha could take punishment, shake off being buzzed or knocked down, and stay in the fight, even when he was tired. From I've seen of Tommy, when he got tagged, or started to run out of steam, it was game over for him.

He'd be David Price level. The fact that an obese, 40 year old with a mummy guard was able to win a title speaks volumes about how weak the 90s division was. https://tapdownsports.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/george-foreman-ko.jpeg

No doubt if Tommy had lived a disciplined Bernard Hopkins lifestyle instead of partying, he would've been far more successful in boxing. But that's easier said than done when you become a movie star at 21 and have hundreds of young women throwing themselves at you.

I assumed it was just the partying and sex. Guy was pretty renowned as a poon slayer who would rawdog strippers. Pretty sure when he announced he had AIDS he was married to two different women lol :lol1: I believe so

He probably had it long before the public found out about it. According to him he was shooting steroids and may have used dirty needles. Another rumor is because of his steroid use his dick wouldn't get hard so he shot some stuff into his junk all the time to get it up and may have had open wounds while bangin out some dirty poon. I assumed it was just the partying and sex. Guy was pretty renowned as a poon slayer who would rawdog strippers. Pretty sure when he announced he had AIDS he was married to two different women lol

The movie came out in 90, filmed in 89 when Tommy was still a prospect, and he got AIDS in 1996 when his career was over...so yeah. If anything, being in that movie made Tommy a bigger name, and propelled him higher than he should have been. He probably had it long before the public found out about it. According to him he was shooting steroids and may have used dirty needles. Another rumor is because of his steroid use his dick wouldn't get hard so he shot some stuff into his junk all the time to get it up and may have had open wounds while bangin out some dirty poon.

People are really underrating Tommy Morrison, they're quick to forget he suffered from Hollywood movies syndrome and then severe aids. Each time Morrison got stopped as well was from a relentless combo where he's hit like 8+ times flush on the chin. We like to boast about Wilders ferocious power...well I'm pretty sure a well timed left hook from Tommy would put AJ and Wilder to sleep (both have average chins from what we've seen so far) and would probably put Fury on the canvas. People forget Tommy Morrison was a legitimate good heavyweight with one of the best left hooks in the business solely because he was expected to be the next white hope when if you look at his career, the era he was fighting in and the people he best....I'd say he wasn't too far off living up to that title he stayed relevant top 5-10 in an era of fantastic black heavyweights an era where AJ would do about as good as Bruno, possibly worse without Don King fixing fights for him, Wilder would be a Corrie Sanders with Stamina and Fury would be the only possible question mark out of the three considering his style, height and weight combined with a good chin. tl;dr Morrison was successful in a heavyweight era where Wilder and Joshua would be top 10 contenders at best with Fury the only one with a chance at picking up a belt. Morrison being horribly underrated. The movie came out in 90, filmed in 89 when Tommy was still a prospect, and he got AIDS in 1996 when his career was over...so yeah. If anything, being in that movie made Tommy a bigger name, and propelled him higher than he should have been.

--- With you being horribly generous...