It's impossible to get away from Ali. In his 60's prime his game was all about hitting and not getting hit and he did that better than any other. And then 70's Ali was not that hard to hit really but he could take any kind of punch so well and used that tactic of getting hit in fights and did it so well.
Vitali--weak division and his skill and chin make him the most unbeatable champ.
I agree with this. Vitali is pretty good but it has to be said that the heavyweight division is a joke, most of these guys are fat, slow hacks that throw about 5 lame punches a round. Anyone with half a punch, good stamina and half a brain could dominate the modern heavyweight division.
Hopkins was younger when he fought Calzaghe than he was when he fought Pavlik last week.
Hopkins has in no way got any better since the Calzaghe fight.
You can only deal with who is in front of you on the night and it's not possible for Hopkins to box against Joe as he did against Pavlik. Joe has an awkward style and a much better boxer in all aspects than Pavlik.
Hopkins is a greater boxer than Calzaghe in terms of overall career and for the sake of history but in terms of an actual match-up in the ring I think Joe has the slight edge.
I think Calzaghe will win on points, it will be close and it might be a SD. But I doubt it will be as close as the Hopkins fight.
It won't be a great fight to watch, but better than the Hopkins fight.
Jones will cancel out much of Joe's good work making Joe look awkward and slightly limited again but I don't think Jones has the legs to really trouble Joe enough to take the win.
Both are past their best, but I reckon Jones is further down the other side of the hill.
I saw the weigh in and Roy looked about 174.5 and Calzaghe? well it's hard to say really. Joe looked anywhere between 225 and 230. He really looked out of shape and with a bit of saggy middle going on there. :fing02:
Oh yeah, I can see it now. Calzaghe loses the fight and in the interview after he says "It's all down to that bloody scale, when I tripped over that I knew I was in for a tough night. it just ruined my confidence." :thinking:
The Heavyweight division is a joke but other than that it's all pretty good.
Some era's are stronger than others and some have more personalities than others. Ups and down like anything else...
Lewis is not an all time great heavy, an all time great heavy does not get knocked out by very average boxers, TWICE. Twice, not once, it happened twice.
He has nothing to prove to anyone, he's fighting his career just like anyone else.
Most of these critics are either kids who spend too much time in their bedrooms or unhinged fools who can't accept cold reality. Or both.
A great fighter. One of the top 3 British of all time in any weight.
He career could have been even better, had he not been unlucky with numerous injuries and not milked by Frank Warren early on he could have faced bigger fights earlier. But that takes nothing away from him and what he's doing now. But he has beaten everyone he has boxed and that is all he can do. 46-0.
He is an old fashioned fighter. He doesn't have an entourage of yes men and various coachs and experts, he doesn't need that. He has and needs only his dad working his backside off. No rubbish, no flashness just good old solid boxing.
He has amazing mental strength and confidence, lots of nerve and bottle and an iron chin. He can take a punch, he has great speed, has proven he can get up off the floor and win. He has great workrate, stamina and an awkward southpaw style that both confuses and causes problems for the other fighter. And he has a very underrated boxing brain and the ability to change tactics during the fight, in fact just fight off his natural instincts and judge how to win that way. It's proven that it works.
And one more thing that people miss or overlook - Joe Calzaghe is a killer. He is a quiet man outside the ring but inside he is a killer, he is ruthless.
Ruthless my purple ass.He's just a slapper nothing more.The hand injuries were all fake injuries.
Pretty good slapper though, huh? Got look at Roy's face. Hopkins spent 12 rounds running, hiding and turning his back from the same slapper.
He humiliated Roy Jones last night, he is ruthless. A killer. Jones was all nicey nice with Joe but come fight time Joe wins and railroads him outa the way. Ruthless.
A great fighter. One of the top 3 British of all time in any weight.
He career could have been even better, had he not been unlucky with numerous injuries and not milked by Frank Warren early on he could have faced bigger fights earlier. But that takes nothing away from him and what he's doing now. But he has beaten everyone he has boxed and that is all he can do. 46-0.
He is an old fashioned fighter. He doesn't have an entourage of yes men and various coachs and experts, he doesn't need that. He has and needs only his dad working his backside off. No rubbish, no flashness just good old solid boxing.
He has amazing mental strength and confidence, lots of nerve and bottle and an iron chin. He can take a punch, he has great speed, has proven he can get up off the floor and win. He has great workrate, stamina and an awkward southpaw style that both confuses and causes problems for the other fighter. And he has a very underrated boxing brain and the ability to change tactics during the fight, in fact just fight off his natural instincts and judge how to win that way. It's proven that it works.
And one more thing that people miss or overlook - Joe Calzaghe is a killer. He is a quiet man outside the ring but inside he is a killer, he is ruthless.
Current Calzaghe easily beats McCallum the night Jones beat him and Toney did nothing against Jones, he was slow and static. Calzaghe beats Toney on the night Jones beat him. And as for Hopkins, Joe has beat him and a modern current Joe would be too big and strong for the Hopkins that lost to Jones.
Calzaghe is a far greater fighter in terms of historical all time greatness than Lewis.
Lewis was put on his backside by 2 very average fighters and never got back up. To his credit he did avenge those defeats on other nights. But Calzaghe goes down and still wins the fight and is still unbeaten.
It is very rare, and has almost never actually happened that you get two all time greats fighter in each when they are roughly in their peak years and comfortable with their weight.
They say Ali's peak was the night he fought Cleveland Williams, but Williams was a shot fighter at that point.
You'd bet more money on Lewis to win over Calzaghe? Is that what you're saying? Because Calzaghe v Lewis a fight is a childish suggestion when one is twice the size of the other.
Calzaghe hasn't lost a pro fight and a fight overall for nearly 19 years. Lewis was knocked out cold by two very poor heavyweights.
End of.
Roy of 10 years ago against Joe of now? Joe wins. Jones spent 99% of his so called glorious era of the 90's fighting bums off the ropes, showing great speed and showmanship but lacking a killer touch.
If the best Roy has faced is Toney when Toney was useless on the night and Hopkins when he was still green then I'm sorry but this current Joe beats any version of Roy.
I have a problem with the fact that everyone someone mentions Jones at his total peak of powers in his prime it is a fight against a bum. He also beat a small very green Hopkins, and James Toney that could hardly move let alone throw a decent punch or pressure Jones.
He had great skill at his peak but was never tested that much. Funny how as soon as he gets tests in recent years he past his best.
Still a great fighter though. Just lacks a killer touch more, more a style machine.
From what I've seen of Kimbo it doesn't take him long to start clutching and he's soon breathing out of his arse in most encounters I've seen. He has not stamina. Lenny at 50 would have have nailed this guy, a young Lenny would have gone through him like a dose of salts.
Enzo is a decent trainer, not a great one. His son happens to be a great figher.
Lockett had no real chance last night, real fans that know boxing know that he only had a very slim chance, that one-off shock result chance that don't happen too often. He was well out of his depth.
It would be a horrible miss-match had Lockett come up against Joe Calzaghe. He was out of his class last night and we learnt nothing more whatsoever about Pavlik.
But overall Pavlik is class, but Joe is a decade older and has won a dozen more fights, had more battles and been tested more. Pavlik at just 26 has this to come.
It would be a great fight to watch if Pavlik and Joe Calzaghe do come together, but I can only see Calzaghe winning. Pavlik is not the kind of boxer that Joe will struggle with, it's a straight up style with no tricks just good solid stuff. Joe will most likely control that fight with his better movement and knowledge of angles.
are you sure? rocky may have been long dead to fight linston.
Rocky was 32 when he had his last fight in 1955. In 1955 Liston was about 22/23 and had been a pro fighter for 3 years.
You need a quite a bit of both in the first place but brains wins every time. The greatest boxers have all been intelligent boxers.
8 times out of 10 a good boxer beats a good slugger.