Lets just CLear something up, RJJ wouldnt have had any trouble with CALZAGHE...

Name one thing Calzaghe did in his Career in his backyard that meant that Bernard or roy should have gone to him. Anything. Defending the IBO belt? LOL. In the 90's that was hardly a legitimate belt. Maintain an undefeated record while piling up over 20 defenses of his title is all. Not much really.

Ok, so the thread starter may have exaggerated a little(probably because the man has been very annoyed by the fanboys' party post fight) but some of you really need to educate yourselves a bit before you BLINDLY make bold comments. JC would fall short against younger versions of RJJ and Hopkins(against this guy he'd get beaten 'without any trouble' being that he couldn't beat him at 43. Terrible style for Joe. He'd do better against RJJ.) I agree with that. I said before the fight that if Roy doesn't have his legs anymore, he will definitely lose. Turns out that it was absolutely the case, and much more than that too. I should have watched his 3 fights before this one. In his prime, Roy didn't just have ACCURACY and punches in bunches, he had extremely explosive legs that enabled him to have this great defense, could get into positions very quickly to capatilize on his opponents' mistakes, get himself out of corners with ease(even against Tarver he was seen doing this) get away with leaping hooks, his stamina was excellent, and most importantly, he had that mental edge and killer instinct. Lets say he fought this version of Joe while he was 10 years younger. Calzaghe would get caught with a lot more unseen flush shots like he did from a near 40 year old man last night in the first round. His WIIIIDEEE looping shots, albeit quick, would hit nothing but air against Roys freakishly athletic ability to avoid punches. And like I mentioned earlier, it was impossible for anyone to to just load up on shots on Jones while having arms low like Joe did last night. Jones would actually get out of corners with a long leading jab, a quick long step shooting himself across the ring, out of the corner. OR, he would actually fight himself out of the ropes. You really have to watch more vintage Jones fights to see what i'm talking about here. I think some of you really forgot what he was about. Yes, Calzaghe gave a great performance and beat him convincingly, but his fighting game was full of holes, like usual. I mean, at times he was blatantly just ****ing around in there, throwing combo's while Jones was on the ropes, and with him not thinking of defense at all while doing his fruity little movements..erm, 'showboating'. Don't get the wrong impression, take away all of the showboating nonsense, and just watch the fighting aspect of it, and it becomes clear that in their primes, Jones would have won with ease. But I guess you won't get popular by saying it at a time like this. Don't mind it, act intelligent and explain it to them from a boxing point of view. Works every time.

other way around bud. Calzaghe refused to leave europe for the better part of a decade Bernard has left once if I recall correctly. Roy Jones has refused to leave america for an entire career, as do most high profile american fighters. Double standard much?

So why didn't they do it back then? They had bigger names in the sport. Roy nor Bernard chose to fight Joe. Why is that a slight on Joe? other way around bud. Calzaghe refused to leave europe for the better part of a decade

Not only would RJJ have had trouble with calzaghe, he would of lost, even 10 years ago. He looked bad not because he was really washed up as you would claim, but because Calzaghe is to much for him. I didn't see him look old and washed up against trinidad... That was how long ago? 10 months ago? lol So he went from a still competitive fighter to a washed up bum in 10 months. I don't think so... I don't see any difference in the outcome if it were 10 or or 15 years ago. Calzaghe owns jones at any age. I wouldnt be surprised if a Prime Calzaghe beat a Prime Jones, I would predict a Prime Jones myself though in a close odds fight. However, Calzaghe wouldn't be able to have his hands at his side against a prime Jones. That was foolish even if he couldnt see from 1 eye. We all saw what Jones did to Toney. I think Jones would edge Calzaghe if both were in their primes.

How are you guys saying Calzaghe wouldnt give Jones any trouble 10 years ago? Thats ridiculous, Jones is and always has been one of my favorite boxers of all time. I know Calzaghe would give Jones a hard time, and possibly beat him. It would be a competitive fight.

prime roy jones VS a prime Calzaghe.. Jones wins and makes it look incredibly Great while doing so. But it never happened. You can speculate all you want, but it never happened.

Tarver is a different story. You probably know why. Griffin was not as much of a problem as people make him out to be. Roy was ahead on the cards en route to the disqualification. He had trouble figuring Griffin out, but was never seriously hurt. And the second fight, well... yeah. As far as taking punches- I don't deny that. I do believe that Joe would have taken them better. But what I'm arguing isn't that he'd take them better. I'm saying that he'd have gotten hit much, much more frequently. The fact that this version of Roy could even LAND such an uppercut speaks levels about how he he would have fared against Joe in a better time period. True, Jones would of hit Calzaghe more. Thats a sure bet. Probably could of hurt him also. But with fantsay matchups we can only imagine based on what we saw last night. I know the fight would of been totally different in many ways, but Calzaghe would of been a tough test if he didnt get KO'd coming forward. Jones would of been faster, more accurate, etc etc Calzaghe would of hit harder and faster and applied the same pressure. It would of been interesting. I think a prime Calzaghe is better than anyone on Jones record.

good god :( seriously guys, not even exaggerating, a prime roy jones gets rid of calzaghe in 4 or 5 rounds. if u can see that, then u dont know shit. Same with Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins woulda gone to the cards but he would have dominated the fight in his prime. go back and watch some vintage footage of these guys to see how rediculously talented they are, and then watch some Calzaghe, and then compare. ull have urself a good laugh They are too high off the jones win... jones has been washed up and old... i didnt want to believe it but he wouldn't even move his legs last night. prime roy jones VS a prime Calzaghe.. Jones wins and makes it look incredibly Great while doing so.

In younger days Roy woulda won. But it never happened til now and like it or not Zag won.

prime for prime,i got Roy all the way. I don't know about a knockout, Calzaghe has shown a good chin and great recovery skills.

Any trouble? Roy would have won but if Roy was having trouble with Griffin in there first fight then Joe definately could have caused problems, I'm certain it would have gone the distance. It would be the first time Roy fought a fighter with handspeed close to his.

...10 years ago. Can we all agree on that? he would've had trouble, but with fresh legs and an unbroken chin, he'd have defeated Joe

Did you see the massive uppercut Jones landed later on? If you look at many of Calzaghe fights he has taken some very big shots, nevr been in serious trouble. He is 37, and would have taken the ounch from Jones in the 1st better if he was younger. You forget Tarver and Griffin. Even Harmon gave him problems. None of those fighters have the skill, speed and ring generalship of Calzaghe. Its not just about being a southpaw, but look at the full package that Calzaghe brings. And look at Jones biggest challenges and wins. It is very plausable Calzaghe would have been his toughest test when they were both at their peaks. Tarver is a different story. You probably know why. Griffin was not as much of a problem as people make him out to be. Roy was ahead on the cards en route to the disqualification. He had trouble figuring Griffin out, but was never seriously hurt. And the second fight, well... yeah. As far as taking punches- I don't deny that. I do believe that Joe would have taken them better. But what I'm arguing isn't that he'd take them better. I'm saying that he'd have gotten hit much, much more frequently. The fact that this version of Roy could even LAND such an uppercut speaks levels about how he he would have fared against Joe in a better time period.

Did you see the massive uppercut Jones landed later on? If you look at many of Calzaghe fights he has taken some very big shots, nevr been in serious trouble. He is 37, and would have taken the ounch from Jones in the 1st better if he was younger. You forget Tarver and Griffin. Even Harmon gave him problems. None of those fighters have the skill, speed and ring generalship of Calzaghe. Its not just about being a southpaw, but look at the full package that Calzaghe brings. And look at Jones biggest challenges and wins. It is very plausable Calzaghe would have been his toughest test when they were both at their peaks. No dude, you just don't get it. Roy Jones Jr. is the only fighter in the history of boxing who was unbeatable in his prime. The ONLY one. At least thats what Jones stans would like you to believe. Prime Jones KO1 God, Allah, etc.

Calzaghe might not be at his absolute peak, but he was still fresher than Jones- who proved to be absolutely over the hill. And STILL.. Roy was able to get that straight right in. A straight right that looked much, much less fast and accurate than it did in his prime. Imagine what Roy would have done to Joe had he been in his best form. It would have been an easy night. Did you see the massive uppercut Jones landed later on? If you look at many of Calzaghe fights he has taken some very big shots, nevr been in serious trouble. He is 37, and would have taken the ounch from Jones in the 1st better if he was younger. They weren't on Joe's level at all, but they were still title holders and number one contenders. Thats at least "good", in my book. And the point of that post was to dispel the "any southpaw gives Roy trouble" stuff that people seem to focus on. He obviously deals with them easily more than not. You forget Tarver and Griffin. Even Harmon gave him problems. None of those fighters have the skill, speed and ring generalship of Calzaghe. Its not just about being a southpaw, but look at the full package that Calzaghe brings. And look at Jones biggest challenges and wins. It is very plausable Calzaghe would have been his toughest test when they were both at their peaks.

On both guys prime i think Jones would win, but no way in hell it would be an easy fight. Calzaghe is underated by a lot of people.

They weren't on Joe's level at all, but they were still title holders and number one contenders. Thats at least "good", in my book. And the point of that post was to dispel the "any southpaw gives Roy trouble" stuff that people seem to focus on. He obviously deals with them easily more than not. At the same time there's a lot of criticism leveled at Calzaghe that none of his opposition is "good" despite them filling the criteria you listed above. Not by you though. No homo. Roy had more trouble with southpaws than with orthodox fighters, I think that's safe to assume. Then again who doesn't?

harmon,johnson,harding,hall,frazier,grant,del valle,byrd. all southpaws. no probs. del valle was the first to knock him down.tarver was the first o ko him.both southpaws.this in both there primes is no landslide.it woulda been competitive.

Calzaghe might not be at his absolute peak, but he was still fresher than Jones- who proved to be absolutely over the hill. And STILL.. Roy was able to get that straight right in. A straight right that looked much, much less fast and accurate than it did in his prime. Imagine what Roy would have done to Joe had he been in his best form. It would have been an easy night. But Joe has faded noticeably recently in particular in terms of his power. Calzaghe's chin is very good, one of the best in boxing, and he would always trouble Jones, even if he didn't win.