I am still going to have to go with Lennox. Although Joe has really impressed me over the last year and a half he still waited too long before taking on the top guys IMO, so it is still Lennox.
I co-sign :fing02:
Lewis is not an all time great heavy, an all time great heavy does not get knocked out by very average boxers, TWICE. Twice, not once, it happened twice.
Lewis is top 5 heavies of all time.
If Calzaghe had fought Hopkins and Jones a few years ago and was successful then, he may have a shout at this. But as it stands, Lewis had the better career I think. Lewis did, to some degree, have the same problems as Calzaghe in that he didn't get the opportunity to fight the top men in their prime. He did, however, beat recognised names throughout his career and did it in the most illustrious division.
It's too little too late for Calzaghe.
Lewis is not an all time great heavy, an all time great heavy does not get knocked out by very average boxers, TWICE. Twice, not once, it happened twice.
"Knocked out cold"? You mean that shot from McCall that Lewis beat the count on?
It's ludicrous to suggest that being unbeaten makes Calzaghe better than Lewis. Marciano had 0 losses. Ali had 5. Does that mean Marciano was better than Ali? The more top class opponents you face, the more chance there is of losing. Lennox tested himself against more top quality opponents, bested them all (except Bowe, who gave up his title rather than fight him), avenged both his losses, and dominated his division more thoroughly. That's why I rate him over Calzaghe.
Marciano is great.
People come on these boards and bash him when they never researched the guy. He looks sloppy but EVERYONE he fought said he was hard to hit. Marciano is one of the greatest HWs ever.
If you saw a prime RJJ fight on grainy footage he would look easy to hit too.
I dont know, I think you guys are hyping Lewis more than he deserves.
The Vitali fight is disputed, some say Vitali was beating Lewis and the cut was caused by a wrist and not a glove.
Tua is not great, IMO Mercer is much more impressive.
Tyson was past his prime. Tyson is one of those guys who was a beast, and totally dismantles once he hit a certain age. He was a fraction of what he used to be in that fight.
Golota is well Golota, he was previously DQed in his last two fights. Plus Lewis Koed Golota in 1 round when Golota was high on painkillers which he went into a seizure after the fight.
Rahman was always hyped, he cant counter for the life of him. Plus he KOed Lewis the first time.
Holyfield was a good win, as was Morrison, Botha, Ruddock, and McCall.
Id still say Lewis > Calzaghe though.
Calzaghe has fought mostly past prime fighters but his legacy isnt written yet. He has a few more fights under his belt, he could make them good. That is if he choses to continue.
any GREAT HW has an advantage over fighters from the smaller weight divison imo cause HW Boxing is so unpredictable and regardless whether you have a GREAT chin you can still get KTFO or rail roaded by one punch
both have proven themselves at their respected weights,both have put to bed many great fighters,joes in a great position but the big man was to be fair the best heavyweight for a long time, lenny gets my nod as the heavyweights class is what it is,lenny was the complete package,he could hit,box,outwit everyone..joe is a super fighter but if you want to be pickey hes does not ko many.
Calzaghe is the better fighter. Come on -- never even been knocked out. Imagine a heavyweight version of Calzaghe. Would be unreal.
he has never fought at HW if Byron Mitchell can hurt him im sure a big punching HW like Rahman can there is a world of difference between the HW div and SMW,LHW div
most HWs have been knocked out even the ones with GREAT chins like Holy,Tyson
You'd bet more money on Lewis to win over Calzaghe? Is that what you're saying? Because Calzaghe v Lewis a fight is a childish suggestion when one is twice the size of the other.
Calzaghe hasn't lost a pro fight and a fight overall for nearly 19 years. Lewis was knocked out cold by two very poor heavyweights.
End of.
"Knocked out cold"? You mean that shot from McCall that Lewis beat the count on?
It's ludicrous to suggest that being unbeaten makes Calzaghe better than Lewis. Marciano had 0 losses. Ali had 5. Does that mean Marciano was better than Ali? The more top class opponents you face, the more chance there is of losing. Lennox tested himself against more top quality opponents, bested them all (except Bowe, who gave up his title rather than fight him), avenged both his losses, and dominated his division more thoroughly. That's why I rate him over Calzaghe.
You'd bet more money on Lewis to win over Calzaghe? Is that what you're saying? Because Calzaghe v Lewis a fight is a childish suggestion when one is twice the size of the other.
Calzaghe hasn't lost a pro fight and a fight overall for nearly 19 years. Lewis was knocked out cold by two very poor heavyweights.
End of.
Me and my brother were discussing this after the fight. He said defo Zaggy, I couldn't make my mind up.
What do you lot think?
Calzaghe is the better fighter. Come on -- never even been knocked out. Imagine a heavyweight version of Calzaghe. Would be unreal.
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Lennox Lewis imagine if Lewis had done what Calzaghe did and faced a 40+ years old Holyfield he would of been meeting the version that got schooled to fcuk by Larry Fu-cking Donald:lol1:
I would take Lennox Lewis in a fight over Joe Calzaghe...so that to me = Lennox is the better fighter.
Let's face facts, P4P is overrated. In Nature, there is no weight-class. That's why the Ancient Greeks didn't have one and why the UFC, when they first started out, didn't have one.
And like I mentioned before, Lennox, unlike Joe, came to America to chase down the best prey.
Lennox is the King.
Me and my brother were discussing this after the fight. He said defo Zaggy, I couldn't make my mind up.
What do you lot think?
Lennox, he was more dominant in his division over a longer period of time, beat all the major names, and overall faced a better level of competition. His best comp (Holyfield, Tyson, Ruddock, Mercer, Rahman, Klitschko, and Tua) is a cut above Calzaghe's (Lacy, Kessler, Reid, Hopkins, Eubank and Jones).