Boxing is weak these days
i cant help but think Pavlik and Taylor would be complete nobodys in a good era yet both have been and Pavlik still is undisputed champ
Paul Williams is another very ordinary fighter imo aswell i dont get the hype around him at all TBH
the HW div is garbage
the CW div is garbage
the LMW div is garbage
Kessler is a good solid SMW but thats all he is imo their is nothing exceptional about him and he is probably the best the div has to offer
and all the superstars are old and finishing out their final few years
most of you will probably disgree but these are my personal thoughts what do you say
hes like 21 though...and i thought he said he wanted another run at the olympics?.........
yea he did.but i don't see any other prospect out there who is as sure fire as as he could be.
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As for your attempt to convince the site how your relationship with boxing go back decades.
All you did was convince me that your acting skills won't ever win you one of these.
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I don't think cruiserweight is that weak right now, it's just the fights aren't shown on HBO or showtime. Steve Cunningham vs Tomasz Adamek is going to be on Versus in december plus the new contender is going to be at that weight.
Look out for Alexander Alexeev 16(KO15) - 0 he looks to be the future of the division.
Light middle has some decent champions right now
Vernon Forrest
SergiyDzinziruk
Daniel Santos
Verno Phillips is probably the weakest but he will get smashed by Paul Williams
Future top dogs and prospects
Sergio Martinez
Alfredo Angulo
James Kirkland
Deandre Latimore
Zaurbek Baysangurov
Joe Greene
Vanes Martirosyan
The heavyweights might be weak to Americans but they are huge names in eastern europe, boxing has never been more global. Americans just have to get used to not having all the fighters.
Yea.
Boxing must feel really exciting to a newbie fan like yourself.
After all. Because your boxrec referring ass have clearly not followed boxing through any previous generation. You wouldn't know any better.
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warren is the only prospect, to me, that has "great" written all over him.all these other guys don't really look that special.warren has tyson, roy jones, type excitability.
hes like 21 though...and i thought he said he wanted another run at the olympics?.........
warren is the only prospect, to me, that has "great" written all over him.all these other guys don't really look that special.warren has tyson, roy jones, type excitability.
honestly, the only guy who i thnk has potential to be a real hof and PPV(unfortunatly) headliner under 25 right now is linares...he is boxings youngest champ at 23.....and soon to be a 2 division titlist.....at 5'9-10', he can easily go all the way up to lightweight IMO....
but aside from him, i cant see no one wth that kind of potential.....i mean, at 23 DLH had 3 division titles and victories over JCC, Genaro Hernandez, Ruelas, Leija, Molina.........
this days, we consider a guy who gets a title at 25 young......
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honestly, the only guy who i thnk has potential to be a real hof and PPV(unfortunatly) headliner under 25 right now is linares...he is boxings youngest champ at 23.....and soon to be a 2 division titlist.....at 5'9-10', he can easily go all the way up to lightweight IMO....
but aside from him, i cant see no one wth that kind of potential.....i mean, at 23 DLH had 3 division titles and victories over JCC, Genaro Hernandez, Ruelas, Leija, Molina.........
this days, we consider a guy who gets a title at 25 young......
this is true
Linares really can be in that class with Barrera,Morales if he knuckles down he is a potential superstar
honestly, the only guy who i thnk has potential to be a real hof and PPV(unfortunatly) headliner under 25 right now is linares...he is boxings youngest champ at 23.....and soon to be a 2 division titlist.....at 5'9-10', he can easily go all the way up to lightweight IMO....
but aside from him, i cant see no one wth that kind of potential.....i mean, at 23 DLH had 3 division titles and victories over JCC, Genaro Hernandez, Ruelas, Leija, Molina.........
this days, we consider a guy who gets a title at 25 young......
Boxing is in the lower division right now..
great action going on there.
I do agree though, as a whole it is weak sauce but I still love the sport and always will.
It will make it's way back.. it always has!
yeah me to
by no means do i have less love for the sport its just when i look around at guys like Taylor who was struggling against 154lbs fighters and blown up WW like Ouma,Spinks, i think that man did not deserve to hold the title of undisputed MW champ
there is history behind that div and guys like Taylor do it no justice same goes for the HW
We still got guys like Paquiao, the Marquez bros., I. Vasquez, Cotto, just a few off the top of my head who are established and still going strong. Cant forget other young guys like Juan Diaz, S. Luevano (who i like, even though most say he's boring), M. Katsidis (it's fun to watch him even when he loses). I think the sport would be ok with better, more competitive match making.
good post
Perhaps im being a bit harsh
Boxing is weak these days
i cant help but think Pavlik and Taylor would be complete nobodys in a good era yet both have been and Pavlik still is undisputed champ
Paul Williams is another very ordinary fighter imo aswell i dont get the hype around him at all TBH
the HW div is garbage
the CW div is garbage
the LMW div is garbage
Kessler is a good solid SMW but thats all he is imo their is nothing exceptional about him and he is probably the best the div has to offer
and all the superstars are old and finishing out their final few years
most of you will probably disgree but these are my personal thoughts what do you say
Boxing is in the lower division right now..
great action going on there.
I do agree though, as a whole it is weak sauce but I still love the sport and always will.
It will make it's way back.. it always has!
there is deffo a bit of that about it the fighters i relate to are on their way out and the ones that are coming up are not established
i cant see a proven superstar at the moment,PBF is retired and the rest of the superstars are old and from a past era
We still got guys like Paquiao, the Marquez bros., I. Vasquez, Cotto, just a few off the top of my head who are established and still going strong. Cant forget other young guys like Juan Diaz, S. Luevano (who i like, even though most say he's boring), M. Katsidis (it's fun to watch him even when he loses). I think the sport would be ok with better, more competitive match making.
there Are Alot Of Weights That Are Garbage, You Mentioned Pavlik And Taylor And Id Agree With That. Heck Only Hopkins Is The Real Middlweight Of The Last 20 Years Who Deserves To Be Mentioned With Other Great Fighters. Taylor Is Imo Still A Very Good Fighter, I Can See Him Doing Big Things At Smw.
Hw Is Rubbish But Hopefully David Haye Will Bring Some Spark Back There, Cw Is Poor As Well But Thats Because Alot Of The Good Fighters Choose To Go North Where The Bigger Fights Are. Mw And Lmw Are Imo Also Poor. Mw As Mentioned Before Has Been One Of The Worst Divisions For Some Time Now.
Lmw Is A Strange One, Theres Still Some Good Fighters In There - Winky, Forrest, Phillips James Kirkland, Pw, Maybe Even Marg But The Fights Just Aren't Being Made.
There Are Some Really Good Divisions Though As Well, Lightweight Is Looking Fully Stocked. Pacman, Jmm, Nate Campbell And Juan Diaz As Well Are All Capable Fighters.
Welterweight Is Where The Real Action Is Though - Imo The Amount Of Quality Fights That Can Still Be Made In That Weight Category Would Compete With Anything Else The Ww Category Has Had In The Last Few Decades. Pw, Marg, Cotto, Sugar Shane, Clottey And Andre Berto, All Of These Fighters Are Top15/20 P4p Fighters.
Then Theres Smw As Well Yes The Division Has Just Lost A Big Player In Joe Calzaghe But The Ww Category Still Moved Forward After Mayweather. Besides In Kessler The Division Has A Real Superstar, Other Fighters Like Andrade, Bute, Jeanpascal, Froch, Taylor And Lacey As Well Are All Top Fighters And Alot Of Them Are Already Household Names. Plus Kelly And Abraham May Also Be Moving Up And Smw Looks Like Arguably The Best Weight Divsion Right Now.
So Yeah There Are A Few Poor Weight Divsions But There Are Some Real Red Hot Ones At The Same Time.
Great Post,karma If I Can
Demetrius Andrade
Abner Mares
abner mares still very inexperienced
seen Andrade once in the olympic trials looked okay but
Yanez,Warren look better prospects from the amateurs imo
Boxing is weak these days
i cant help but think Pavlik and Taylor would be complete nobodys in a good era yet both have been and Pavlik still is undisputed champ
Paul Williams is another very ordinary fighter imo aswell i dont get the hype around him at all TBH
the HW div is garbage
the CW div is garbage
the LMW div is garbage
Kessler is a good solid SMW but thats all he is imo their is nothing exceptional about him and he is probably the best the div has to offer
and all the superstars are old and finishing out their final few years
most of you will probably disgree but these are my personal thoughts what do you say
there are alot of weights that are garbage, you mentioned pavlik and taylor and id agree with that. heck only hopkins is the real middlweight of the last 20 years who deserves to be mentioned with other great fighters. taylor is imo still a very good fighter, i can see him doing big things at SMW.
HW is rubbish but hopefully david haye will bring some spark back there, CW is poor as well but thats because alot of the good fighters choose to go north where the bigger fights are. MW and LMW are imo also poor. MW as mentioned before has been one of the worst divisions for some time now.
LMW is a strange one, theres still some good fighters in there - winky, forrest, phillips james kirkland, PW, maybe even marg but the fights just aren't being made.
there are some really good divisions though as well, lightweight is looking fully stocked. pacman, JMM, nate campbell and juan diaz as well are all capable fighters.
welterweight is where the real action is though - imo the amount of quality fights that can still be made in that weight category would compete with anything else the WW category has had in the last few decades. PW, marg, cotto, sugar shane, clottey and andre berto, all of these fighters are top15/20 p4p fighters.
then theres SMW as well yes the division has just lost a big player in joe calzaghe but the ww category still moved forward after mayweather. besides in kessler the division has a real superstar, other fighters like andrade, bute, jeanpascal, froch, taylor and lacey as well are all top fighters and alot of them are already household names. plus kelly and abraham may also be moving up and SMW looks like arguably the best weight divsion right now.
so yeah there are a few poor weight divsions but there are some real red hot ones at the same time.
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JM Lopez
A. Berto
V. Ortiz
Angulo
Petterson brothers
lots of good exciting young fighters
Oritiz is a good shout i like him
Berto i think will get found wanting for a chin
Peterson Bros i like to but they dont get you out of your seat really
I think your scared of change, boxing may not be the same for you because the sport is not as it was when you first started watching it. All the guys you learned to like are on their way out, and I guess you never learned to like the newer guys. I dont think boxing is weak in the sense of it lacking good fighters, I just think it's weak in terms of matchups that are being made.
there is deffo a bit of that about it the fighters i relate to are on their way out and the ones that are coming up are not established
i cant see a proven superstar at the moment,PBF is retired and the rest of the superstars are old and from a past era