Boxing_Logic

Who cares if Canelo is smart, he's a boxer who is not fighting the best prime boxers. So he's doing the same thing Breadman accuses others at 160-175 of doing. It's all the same. Makabu sucks.

Its not all the same. If Charlo/bumslavidez wanted to challenge mukabu they could have & they are huge compared to Canelo:kabong: That's where you're completely wrong. If you look at it from the fighters' self-interests, which would be a mistake but most people fall for that, Canelo is big money incentive for Mukabu to fight Canelo, not so with Charlo and Benavidez. Plus if they fought him and beat him, then he wouldn't be available for Canelo to fight which makes Boxing more money than if they fought him. But looking a level deeper, IMO everyone in Boxing does what makes Boxing the most money, not themselves personally. Inside the ring, look how the cash cow of boxing (Floyd, then Canelo) has not lost a single time in about 15 years since becoming the cash cow. Yes they're good but really, in a sport where anything can happen, and anyone can be knocked out by any punch if it lands right, neither of them lost once in 15 years? Talk about good luck for the financial interests of Boxing! What great luck! In fact they hardly ever take a scratch. And you can look at it outside the ring as well. Look how Benavidez tested positive for cocaine just in time to allow Canelo a belt to fight for at 168. Convenient stuff like this happens constantly in boxing. Look how GGG stepped aside to let Canelo vs Cotto happen, without any guarantee in writing to get the winner immediately, and then when he finally did face him twice, underperformed everyone's expectations and actually springboarded Canelo to greater financial stardom for Boxing, rather than putting a stop to the money train by beating Canelo convincingly twice and maybe knocking him out. Then Kovalev had the power to really hurt Canelo at 175 but he didn't come close to doing that either. The money train rolled on. So yeah, Canelo is the cash cow. He will get all the nice opportunities, no one else. Just like Mayweather and Pacquiao got any opponent they wanted, not Margarito, Paul Williams, etc. They were more popular. They made the sport more money. That's what it is about. Dmitry Bivol is the most all around talented boxer from 160 to 175, and he barely fights at all because he doesn't sell tickets. Beterbiev is right there with him, but he also barely fights, for the same reason. There's no question, beating those guys at 175 is a better legacy win than beating Makabu at cruiserweight. So if Canelo fights for legacy, he'd fight them first. But he doesn't. Makabu is a placeholder to keep stalling the public and making some money while marinating fights with bigger revenue potential like the biggest names at 160 - 175.

Still wondering

That fight will sale anywhere. Where will it generate the most money, UK, Russia, or USA?

How many tickets would it sell in the UK? How many in Russia? How many in USA? And then, adjust for ticket prices. Like, where will it do the biggest gate, and how much?

Bruh I just copy and pasted your post into Word and it's 3 pages long, I don't want to read an essay right now. No one is reading your dissertation You oddball No offense taken at all guys. The post is for people who want to read a post that goes in depth referencing a handful of fights from the last decade. For the people who aren't interested, they don't have to read it and that's totally OK too.

You guys seems to forget canelo was 19-20 when he was was at the lower weights freaking faced and older mosley at onl 20 he was a damn baby. Think about that when canelo was facing grown men the likes of mosley bivol was still facing 3 rd amateur teens. Canelo is very hard to put down now because of his iron chin and crazy upper body head movement. No Im thinking about Floyd, Khan, Lara, Cotto, and Liam Smith. He has not grown enough since those fights for it to make sense that top light heavyweights with power comparable to Gvozdyk to have so little visible displacement when they land punches on him. It was already perplexing vs GGG at 160, and now it's even more so vs Kovalev and Bivol at 175. People can tell stories about how GGG knocks out heavyweights in sparring, and he hits as hard as Kovalev, Beterbiev, Stevenson, etc, but we see that when he fights middleweights, even in his prime, they sometimes last late in the fight, and take many hard punches before getting stopped. They get beat up and weakened to the point they aren't threats much earlier, but they don't get taken out. Danny Jacobs still had to make 160, although he rehydrated higher (which is not the same as being a top 168 let alone a top 175 pounder), and he went 12 with GGG. So did Dereyvanchenko. Even a welterweight Kell Brook did not get KO'd. When has GGG ever KO'd someone like Trent Broadhurst at 175 with one punch? So you would expect Bivol at 175 to hit significantly harder than GGG, or at least sharper which translates to bigger snap of the head and harder just by different means. If GGG bulked up to 175, he might have a stronger upper body than Bivol, and more power in that sense, but in terms of actual punches, Bivol's stronger legs and calves especially (like Pacquiao), his longer reach and greater weight transfer, and his faster hands mean that when he lands a clean straight right on Canelo, it should have significantly bigger impact than GGG at 160. I mean, it's been so inconsistent that it's actually hard to really think about or even articulate, but the one thing that has been consistent is that there has been a clearly different level of height, size, power, range, reach, and weight transfer at 175 compared to 160 during this era. Stevenson-Fonfara, Gvozdyk-Stevenson, all of Beterbiev's fights, Bivol's fights on HBO, it's been a different animal than 160. To use an NBA analogy, the fights at 175 have been like the small forwards in the NBA. These fights are Khawi Leonard vs Lebron or something. Whereas at 160, well there is no good analogy, but it's basically been the same thing except shorter, less muscular, less reach, and less power. Here watch the full highlights and tell me if this looks like the same division: https://youtu.be/v7D1sq1jVCg?t=85. Or how about asking it this way, it's much easier. Canelo could not even stop a drained Chavez Jr at 164.5 pounds. Meanwhile a fully healthy Chavez Jr at 175 got stopped by a B level light heavyweight in Fonfara who does not hit any harder than Bivol does. So how come 10 pounds above where Canelo fought Chavez Jr, Bivol's punches look weaker than Fonfara's, when they should look much heavier considering it's 10 pounds even higher. Here, Stevenson even rides away from Fonfara's semi weak left hook, the same way Canelo rides away, but it still had a big impact. Whereas when this happens with Canelo, we hear barely any sound from the microphone at the ring, and the punch just slides off and seems to make zero impact. https://youtu.be/v7D1sq1jVCg?t=116. And again, Fonfara's punches are having big, thudding impact on another extremely strong light heavyweight. So it's already bigger and we haven't even factored in for Canelo being smaller and less strong. if there is already bigger impact now, it should be even bigger vs Canelo, who is much smaller and less strong. But we keep seeing the opposite. We don't even get this level of impact when Canelo gets hit clean at 175, let alone even more like you would expect! It makes no sense! Here is Bivol vs Barrera. Look how big and strong Barrera is compared to Canelo, Then a few seconds later, look what Bivol's straight right hand does https://youtu.be/8RMLOFQCEsw?t=152. We didn't see that kind of impact on Canelo who is much smaller and less strong, let alone an even bigger impact like we should have seen. Looking back over the highlights, I can grant that in some fights, Bivol does not look as powerful as Gvozdyk, making the Gvozdyk-Stevenson aspect of the comparison false, but in other fights, Bivol does (like Broadhurst and Barrera at times). In any case, he hits hard enough that when he hit Canelo, it shouldn't have looked so similar to when Liam Smith and Amir Khan hit Canelo three weight classes lower........

It's not that puzzling. Canelo is both stronger and more experienced at the higher weights. The extra weight, coupled with not really cutting weight, makes him sturdier. Fighting bigger men with his skills and experience allows him to see the bigger men's punches coming better so he can brace for them better too. Additonally, the strength displayed by Canelo is not really the same strength you get from body building. Yarde and Pascal for example look like body builders. They may be stronger than Canelo lifting weights, but they may not be stronger in the ring. It's both different muscles and a different type of strength (it's not about lifting or pushing, plus it has an isometric dimension to it). Yarde and Pascal are definitely stronger than Canelo in the ring, in reality, that's why it was so strange to see Canelo fights where it looked like he was stronger. As for not cutting weight, he had to cut to make 160 and 168 and punches still had little impact on him. Even GGG's head got snapped worse by a welterweight's weak hand uppercut (Kell Brook), and by Steve Rolls and Vanes Martirosan jabs with their weak hands, than we've seen Canelo's head snapped at fricking light heavyweight lol. In 24 rounds now. That dont make no sense...... You can say Canelo is ready for every shot and braced, fine, but that's not normal to never get hit flush against top guys over so many rounds, and even if it was, the punches should still have more effect even when you're braced. Plus one of Bivol's combos was so fast, he hit Canelo with at least one clean supposedly full power right hand, maybe two, where Canelo was not braced. And Canelo's head snapped like half an inch each time, a little water flew, but very little. And this was even in the late rounds when Canelo was gassed and his punch resistance supposedly deteriorated, but even then, very little visual impact from any punches that landed on him. Some of his reactions make sense, like when he walks into certain jabs vs GGG, then it looks right because his head snaps a lot from running right into it. But for power shots and a lot of other shots, the physics are perplexing to say the least.

Of course it seems different but that's because of the the fighter across from them Canelo having great defense explains why Bivol landed less on him than he landed on Barrera and Pascal and Chilemba. It doesn't explain why, even the few times he landed clean, his punches had so much less power on them than when he fought Barrera and Pascal and Chilemba.

the better question is why do people obsess so much about whether or not a guy moves up? Is it better to dominate a division, or pull a Broner and go through several divisions finding the softest touch or a vacant title to grab? If a guy can make the weight and wants to stay put, who cares? Do you hold Hagler in low esteem because he never moved up? It's better to dominate a division, move up, dominate that division, move up, and dominate that division, etc. It's not either or. If GGG was what they marketed him as, he should have KO'd Jacobs and Canelo, then gone up to 168 or 175 and beaten Ward, Kovalev, etc. Instead he hasn't even performed well against good competition at 160, let alone 168 or 175, and that is why so many fans have been underwhelmed by how his career turned out after waiting years to finally see him get his "chance." He even looked like crap against an effing welterweight moving up, ffs.

Yes Kovalev let canelo knock him the **** out like a ragdoll literally!!!! Boxers can die with shots like that. If that ko was "fake"then every single ko in boxing history is fake too. SMH Seriously like the other poster said you need help big time, boxing is not for you go back to WWE. You've never heard of "acting"? You seem to miss the point that I'm saying he was never knocked out at all, it was all acting. If you want to see bad acting, Floyd vs Victor Ortiz is very obvious. Floyd the most accurate puncher in the sport has a sitting duck target, but instead of punching Ortiz flush, he glances the side of his face. He misses/glances on purpose, and Ortiz acts and does the rest, along with the red who is also acting. As for boxing history, I can't speak to every KO in history because we only have video going back 80 years or something like that, when it comes to boxing. I haven't studied ones from that far back, but every one I've seen the last few decades is definitely fake, maybe longer than that, I'd have to study those too. But going back to the Ali era at least, it's all fake. And apparently people suspected a few of his fights were fake even back then, so all they really got wrong is thinking it was just those few suspicious KO's that were faked, and not all the rest of his fights too. They definitely were, in my opinion, I mean it's clear as day. They also faked fights back then with different standards for how hard a punch should be, and what the human body can take. In modern fake boxing they are playing up the body shot, and you see guys hurt from single body shots. Back then, in for example the Ali vs Frazier fights, Ali gets drilled with a million body shots to the liver and none of them do a thing. The people choreographing the fights back then were different than the people now, and some consistency gets lost from time to time for various reasons. My opinion, anyway.

lmao, this gotta win the prize for ******ed theory of the month in NSB. I guess the fight is pointless since Bivol is already on Canelo's payroll, therefore a fight between them will look like Wilder vs Malik Scott lol You might have a point with Inoue, but Beterbiev is no better body puncher than ginger. Besides size and power, Canelo is better than Beterbiev at literally everything. - - What grade they set U back this year? You know the Canelo haters are shook when the excuses start even before the fight is made official. For some reason multi quote is not working well, but see my comment above. IMO, this sport is completely fake at this level. So yes the fight really is pointless. I was sort of making that point in the original post. No, it's not about Canelo hating, although that accusation is a good tactic to discredit people who tell the truth about the sport. "Oh, you just don't like such and such boxer." So let me clear that up right away. GGG's fights are fake too. Loma's fights are fake. Floyd's fights are fake. Pacquiao's fights are fake. The money that can be made from knowing outcomes ahead of time is way, way, way more than if they aren't. The risk of death and injury is way, way, way, way, way less than if the fights are real. NFL is the same way. You didn't see Aaron Donald given a free waltz to the quarterback on the game deciding play? That's because every play is scripted. There are 120 plays or whatever per game, even the best players are only on the field maybe 40, so each player just has to memorize his role, like an actor memorizing lines, for 40 plays each week. With the sports that play every couple days, they just play off of each other more, and only script the key plays. It might sound crazy to you guys but honestly I am trying to tell you guys the truth so that you're not fooled like I was for so many years. Pretty much everything on TV is scripted.

lmao, this gotta win the prize for ******ed theory of the month in NSB. I guess the fight is pointless since Bivol is already on Canelo's payroll, therefore a fight between them will look like Wilder vs Malik Scott lol You might have a point with Inoue, but Beterbiev is no better body puncher than ginger. Besides size and power, Canelo is better than Beterbiev at literally everything. Just look at your sig bro. Kovalev right hand is open, not a fist, and he turns it sliding off Mohammedi's cheek down and to Kovalev's left, then his left jab at the end he twists his wrist inside out to pull that punch off the target too! Just watch it over a few times. Even in real time, you should be able to see how they fake it. They make enough contact with the padding to make a little splash as the guy getting "hit" snaps his head and makes a hurt face, but they slide the glove off the target before the fist inside the glove compresses into the target. Nothing hard is hitting anyone, it's all padding. If you watch the Canelo vs Kovalev KO it's the same thing. It's pre-choreographed. Kovalev stands upright as Canelo punches down, so that the "punch" slides down Kovalev's tilted cheek and under his neck. And no one even denies that Wilder vs Scott was fake, but that's just because they messed up the choreography so it was even more obvious. They are all fake like that, just usually they disguise it better. I am trying to wake you guys up. I know I will be ridiculed and made fun of, but I am going out on a limb anyway to try to help you guys. Pick any KO you've seen on TV. Any one. Then go watch it over, closely. Slow it down if you have to. You should be able to see how it was faked. Same with you guys QueensburyRules QballLobo. Once you realize it's fake, you will then wonder, "but what about the blood and the cuts," just remember that can be faked too. Much more complex fakery happens all the time in Vegas every time there is a magic show in a casino. You'd be shocked what can be accomplished with technology. Some methods, we do not even know about because the techniques are not advertised to the public, just like some magic tricks that have been going on for decades, that people obviously know aren't real, people in the public still don't know how they're actually done because they are still considered trade secrets among magicians. I can tell you this, these guys are not suffering real cuts from fake punches or fake headbutts.

If GGG called him out there would be people starting threads that say "GGG only calls out Ward because he retired 4 years ago" Better late than not at all. GGG is two years older than Ward, and been in more wars. Ward is bigger than him. People can rightly criticize them for not fighting earlier, but no one is going to criticize them for fighting now, or calling for it now, more than with anything else. Don't make more excuses for them to keep ducking each other.

They keep pushing it back to age Usyk a bit more, hoping he slows down. Scumbags. Pretty sure there is deadline in the rematch clause contract. Not to mention, Usyk could make life difficult for Hearn in negotiations, and state that Hearn said it would be in February so that's when it has to be. Usyk, Hearn, and AJ are all buddies I think. They must all want it to be in June. But I agree with you there is a trend of these promoters always promising to make the fights earlier than they make them. Whatever month they float initially, the fight usually happens 2 to 5 months later at the best of times, if not 5 to 10 years later in worse cases.

Man you need some help. Why the fu.ck would Bivol not go to the body that often because of the stuff you mentioned? Get help sincerely. IMO, this sport is completely fake at this level. So yes the fight really is pointless. I was sort of making that point in the original post. No, it's not about Canelo hating, although that accusation is a good tactic to discredit people who tell the truth about the sport. "Oh, you just don't like such and such boxer." So let me clear that up right away. GGG's fights are fake too. Loma's fights are fake. Floyd's fights are fake. Pacquiao's fights are fake. The money that can be made from knowing outcomes ahead of time is way, way, way more than if they aren't. The risk of death and injury is way, way, way, way, way less than if the fights are real. NFL is the same way. You didn't see Aaron Donald given a free waltz to the quarterback on the game deciding play? That's because every play is scripted. There are 120 plays or whatever per game, even the best players are only on the field maybe 40, so each player just has to memorize his role, like an actor memorizing lines, for 40 plays each week. With the sports that play every couple days, they just play off of each other more, and only script the key plays. It might sound crazy to you guys but honestly I am trying to tell you guys the truth so that you're not fooled like I was for so many years. Pretty much everything on TV is scripted.

Lol this is funny. Dude has been at war and people think he now scared of Haney? He hasnt been at war stop capping. And I say this as an OG Loma fan. He is Usyk are propaganda figureheads, just like all pro athletes now. I'm still waiting for Lebron to stand up for the oppressed in China after all his cap on social media pandering to twitter warrior BLM feminist pronoun bio incels living in their parents basements.

I believe Devin is only co-promoted by TR. This is the last fight on the deal. Isn’t his other promoter aligned with Matchroom? It doesn't matter who he is signed to, it's about who is promoting the fight. This is a Top Rank promotion. And Im pretty sure hes not signed to Matchroom at all right now but again it's completely irrelevant. ​It's not uncommon for the real weigh in to be in tye morning Yeah it's not uncommon for Matchroom cards and UFC cards apparently. But the standard time otherwise is the afternoon. Even the idea that different promoters have different rules for the weigh-in would already be enough to make you doubt the whole "sport." I thought the weigh-in times were part of the rules of Boxing? This goes to show Boxing is fake WWE where they pretend to have real fights but it's really just scripted WWE pushes during promotion and scripted WWE punches in the ring (but mostly misses and lots of holding, since that is easier to choreograph and it kills time that they have to perform). They just make the rules up as they go along to help promote the sport and make more money, but then when it gets so convoluted that they even have to contradict their own made up rules, they just ignore them and count on people not noticing.

I am suspicious these guys lie down for the money. Remember Lomachenko has the same manager as Kovalev, and remember Canelo vs Kovalev fake fight. Just saying. You can't be confident picking anyone anymore. It's better not to bet at all. Also Lomachenko further proves he is a fraud by the fact someone Tank Davis stopped at 130 pounds is willing to go to 140 to fight Teofimo, but Lomachenko wont go up 5 little pounds to avenge his loss. Lomachenko even dealt easily with Pedraza at 135, supposedly still with a so so shoulder, so if Pedraza can fight at 140 you'd think Loma would too. But instead he is losing 5 rounds to uncoordinated 16-0 prospects with Paulie Malinaggi featherfisted KO percentages, only 8 KOs in 16 prospect fights even though he has been fighting nobody. Lomachenko just stood there and did nothing most of the fight. It didnt even look real, so I come back to the fact he is managed by the same manager as Kovalev is. Bettors beware.

Another interesting angle to this. The substance Ogawa tested positive for was the same substance Peterson tested for against Khan, and FOR THE SAME BELT, the IBF belt. With Peterson, an American Haymon fighter, the IBF let Peterson keep the belt, and keep the win over Khan. With Ogawa, whose fight was AGAINST an American fighter, they stripped Ogawa and took away his win.

This is what Team GGG needs to demand Canelo do for the rematch otherwise they are just as complicit in this as Nevada. They should say they won't fight unless Canelo does this.

Amazing post

That's exactly what I was thinking. I guess this makes Canelo's belt like the WBA super belt, but the regular WBC belt isn't as meaningless as the WBA regular title. I guess we could see this as Canelo being stripped for not fighting his mandatory, but he was mandated to fight the winner of Charlo/GGG. That's my point though, either it is just as meaningless, or Canelo cannot be considered Super champion. That's the whole point with the WBA. They can create a "regular" belt to make more money, but everyone knows the only WBA champion is the Super. If there are multiple versions of the same belt, then whoever has the highest version is the champ, and the rest are just the #1 contender, the #2 contender, etc etc etc. That's what the WBC is trying to get around with a rebranding, but it's propaganda bull**** IMO, and I'm saying don't fall for it. If Canelo is still the #1 WBC at 160, then he's champion, and Charlo is not. If Charlo is #1 WBC at 160, then Canelo cannot be. WBC is trying to make it like they're both champions at 160, but there are only 4 champions per weight class, WBC, WBA, WBO, and IBF. Otherwise are we going to move to a place where there are 8 legitimate champions per weight class lol? There arent even 8 top boxers in most weight divisions. It's ridiculous. So I feel like the WBC has devalued their belt, and neither Canelo or Charlo are really champions now because they've created so much confusion. But either one could be, they just have to pick. You can't have two champions within the WBC. One has to be the actual champion, the others are just the #1 contender.

Fighting Ward twice when out of shape, with all the corruption involved, and even going through with the rematch after Ward missed the VADA testing deadline he agreed to in his own contract, really cost Kovalev's on paper legacy. But if you actually watched the fights, and look at the whole picture, Kovalev is by far the most accomplished, memorable, etc, light heavyweight of this era, he's been basically the main protagonist, the central figure, of the division for the last 7 years, because no one else has consistently fought the best over that time, and he has. He is the best light heavyweight of his era (don't even start with super middleweight Ward, he has zero resume at 175 outside of the Kovalev fights which were bull****). Kovalev is without a doubt the best light heavyweight of this era so far. We'll see what Gvozdyk does after him, Beterbiev, Bivol, etc. This was an epic fight and Yarde proved to be a beast. Rough around the edges yet but a 200 pound fast twitch puncher with fists as big as my head is a hard out for anyone. He looked enhanced to me as well. This was one of Kovalev's most impressive wins, maybe his best, in an evergrowing list. Kovalev has one of the best resumes of anyone this era in any weight class.

is that really a HOF resume? If they had given him the first Ward fight, then certainly. but without? His best 5 wins are Alvarez, Hopkins, Pascal, Chilemba, Cleverly or Yarde. That doesn't really sound that deep. Most agree he won the first Ward fight though. Best wins: 1. Ward 2. Yarde (not technically but a huge fast power puncher with an iron chin is an incredibly hard out for anyone. Would have loved to see Yarde vs Ward, styles make fights. Yarde looked even stronger and harder punching than Kovalev. Ward wobbled from Kovalev's jab. He might have gone with one Yarde punch. Remember the Boone fight? Boone is like a poor man's Yarde...) 3. Alvarez 4. BHop 5. Pascal Not bad.

Does he promote him? Word is that Bivol is a network free agent. Regardless, doesn't seem like Hearn has much stake in his career and he wouldn't give Bivol the BJS fight before he would give it to either Smith or Jacobs. Bivol is a network free agent, far as DAZN is concerned, but he is promoted by Eddie Hearn and Matchroom. His secondary promoters are WOB and Duva. He's paying out to three promoters it sounds like so if they can't pool money together to get him a big fight, he is giving away a lot of his paycheck for nothing. And I agree with you, Hearn never even brings Bivol up. Reminds me of Luis Ortiz with Hearn or something. Hope Im wrong. 168-175 is not half as exciting without maybe the best guy in the mix.

Beterbiev fuked around for too long and hasn't faced real comp in years. His reflexes aren't as sharp anymore. He will be step behind a high level guy like Gvozdyk. Will get broken down over time, probably finished. I thought Beterbiev was going to be the man at LHW but he just didn't get the right fights at the right time. Story of this entire generation in boxing. I tried getting over it by getting excited about the new guys, Bivol, Gvozdyk, etc, especially at 175, but I'm getting disappointed all over again by watching old highlights of Beterbiev and Kovalev in their primes and realizing the new wave just isn't as special as they were. They have the skills but not the power of those guys. Those guys had everything. Same with GGG. I forgot just how special he was in his prime. Now it will never be known except by GGG diehard fans, and even we will always have to question if we weren't just being biased, because he never really got a chance to prove it. But if you have any eye for this sort of thing, the speed, power, strength, skill, and stamina combo was the best in the world. He was Dmitry Bivol before Bivol, but way stronger and more powerful, didnt get thrown around inside like Bivol by the likes of Joe Smith, or hurt with every punch that landed cleanly like Bivol. So I feel like boxing is so corrupt and messed up, we're having to settle for getting excited by the younger B-level or A- level guys because boxing refused or failed to get the A+ guys real fights until they were too old and no longer A+ guys. Imagine if Kovalev, Beterbiev, and GGG, just those three, all got tons of top fights in their primes, what a special era of boxing we could have had, and we would have gotten a much clearer picture of boxing history as well. Instead maybe the best boxer punching trio in decades is going to be a footnote in boxing history while a bunch of A- or B-level guys are going to be remembered as greats in their stead, whether that's Gvozdyk and Bivol (still hoping they go on a great run, but don't think they're quite as good), Canelo for sure (sorry Canelo fans, but he struggled with a way past prime GGG so he in no way measures up to prime GGG or prime Beterbiev or prime Kovalev who were in their own ways either as good or at least almost as good as GGG), and so on. At least Lomachenko is getting his due, but as good as he is, remember when GGG and Kovalev and beterbiev were prime, no one was even that excited for Lomachenko compared to them? That's how special those three were not just in terms of talent, but entertainment. Lomachenko is a better boxer than any of them but all three of them at their best, or at least GGG and Beterbiev, were probably just as difficult to beat, and even more exciting and offensively overpowering as he is. And at least Inoue is getting his due but he's in the lower weights, and I'm not sure he's technically as good as GGG. Inoue already got taken 12 rounds by a B-level guy as well. It's just really disappointing like how can we get excited for top talents in this sport if this sport will continue to just waste them? And is there even any guarantee that anyone as good as those guys comes around for the next 20 years? The fact there were three that good that all came around just in a 5 year span would seem to suggest that the odds are good, but idk man. Those were special talents. They all came on the scene like 6-7 years ago, and still not a single one as good has emerged in that time. So if things can go 7 years without a single one, what about another 7? That's almost 15 years. Then we get to 20. And even if more do come around, what if the same thing happens to their careers? Sigh.

not a good look on golden boy, first they couldnt deliver the kovalev fight and now this? not sure if oscar is into something with dazn but they are not acting on canelos best interests as they should... WHY should they? They are a business. They are paying 35 mil per fight to their employee, Canelo, in order to act on Canelo's behalf not their own business? Even the cherry picker Floyd Mayweather at least gave Showtime the Canelo fight (with a BS catchweight, but it didnt affect the PPV sales so Showtime didnt care) and the Pacquiao fight (years too late, but it didnt affect the PPV sales, so Showtime didn't care). DAZN is now paying Canelo more than Floyd, despite him not being as big as Floyd was at the time Showtime gave him his deal, but you think it's supposed to work that Canelo just fights whoever? He should be fighting Bivol, lose to Bivol, now DAZN has Canelo a star at 168, but a new star at 175 in Bivol, too, of the Asian demographic, to add more subscriptions. Then Canelo can get some big wins vs Smith or something at 168, and keep building his legacy like Oscar did after losses. That's how you create a win for everyone, and a fair sport where all the best boxers get a chance to prove it, not just ones from America or Mexico or ones with all the money behind them. The problem isnt DAZN, the problem is Canelo only ever wants to do whats best for himself, not what's fair or best for the sport or the people paying him 35 mil per fight making him 1/3 of a BILLIONAIRE. You really think Canelo should become well on his way to a BILLIONAIRE just by cherry picking? How is that fair?

Lol no, why would Hearn do that? What is Bivol to him? You sign BJS and apparently give him big bucks to put him in the mix against the MWs or guys at 168 like Jacobs or Smith. A big UK showdown....Well fairly big UK showdown would be Smith vs BJS. What is Bivol to him? He promotes Bivol! Although I agree with you, sure doesnt seem like it lately. And any top boxer from outside the UK coming to the UK to fight a top UK fighter becomes a huge fight. Imagine if all the UK had was MLS soccer, with no stars. They wouldnt just come out in force when Ronaldo or Messi came to UK shores to play a game a few times per year, they would come out any time they got a chance to see ANY top foreign talent come to their shores, whether Hazard, even Dybala, any top foreign talent. Its become the same with boxing. Bivol vs Saunders in the UK, with the allure of Bivol coming to UK shores for a big fight between two titlists, and with the trash talking of Saunders and the promotional push of Matchroom, would sell 15k to 20k in the UK. It might not sell 20k-25k like Smith vs Saunders, but who is Smith really? Hes not regarded as the same talent as Bivol and he fights in the UK all the time. Bivol coming over is more of an event. So for all we know those fights are equal in economic value on UK soil, but Smith will have other opportunities. If Hearn doesnt get Bivol either Smith or Saunders before they fight each other first, Bivol wont fight a big fight for years. Its Saunders, Smith, or bust.

I pray! What a match up! I would favor Smith I guess but BJS is such a good boxer it could be very close. I don’t think Smith takes the fight to be honest because I don’t think it’s worth the risk for him. I have a feeling BJS ends up back at 160 to challenge in that unification race again. Smith? The topic you replied to is Bivol vs Saunders not Smith vs Saunders. Saunders is a top boxer from the UK, Bivol is a top boxer from not the UK. Whenever a top non-UK boxer comes to the UK to fight a top UK boxer, it sells out, like every time. Social media is a different animal these days. Bivol isnt a big name in the UK right now but it wont matter. Hes boxed in the UK before, hes known as a LHW champion there, and Callum Johnson boxed on his undercard. He is promoted by Eddie Hearn and UK fans know all about the guys Hearn signs. Bivol vs Saunders would sell 15k to 20k in the UK I believe.