genuinely "If the rock had a years training he would be HW champion of the world"
Except he has already done it :lol1:
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Not casuals but people who watch boxing because i am watching it or start talking about it cuz im reading the site at uni.
1) "boxing is dead s'all about MMA man"
I asked them the last time they watched a fight "uhhhh uhhh Tyson highlight reel". In Canada you barely get any on basic cable.
Yet when i tell the guy about Klitchkos filling out soccer stadiums and how title challenger based on his ethnic fan base may make more than the champion its the usual high school childish response "yeh yeh dude i gotta life i blah blah" Change of subject.
2)
Guy: "oh floyd is what champion?"
Me: "welterweight"
Guy: "soo thats not a champion you know its all about the heavyweight"
Me: after getting stitches done from bashing my head against the wall "you see every one is a champion in their own right being a big guy adds to it but a lower weight champ is no less than the heavyweight champ"
Guy: "ummmmm yeh but heavyweight blah blah blah"
Thats called being a DUCK!! Marquez never ducked anyone!! That shows what a fighter is made of. Marquez has fought everyone and anywhere. he fought Chris John in Indonesia and lost by decision but most boxing experts had him winning, thats a fighter right there. Like Montiel and Marquez they will go anywhere around the world to fight whoever!! Khan will never do that!!!
Really?
Marquez turned down the Khan fight. Never ducked eh?
Khan is vulnerable so the fact he has come this far means alot. He may not be a KO artist but thats something you are born with and his chin of course, but he has the intangible of being a warrior and will to come back from KO defeats. Thats speaks alot about Khan as a real champion.
Khan went in to Peterson's backyard even though he was the champ and though he got jobbed, when was the last time anyone had the guts to do that?
Hamed was just matched well and ofcourse given his talent and charisma he became a superstar. As an example he never tried unifying with Wilfredo Vasquez in 96, but waited for him to reach 35 to fight him. Hamed never came back from defeat and quit at 28/29 so imagine what Morales and Barrera would have done.
So who is better? Hamed. Because Khan has not retired and cant compare properly, but between Hamed and Khan since thats the topic of the tread id pick Khan for being a real warrior and taking on challenges despite his vulnerability.
Your son lost to a pikey in BJS and now he 'destroys' Golovkin and GeFail?
Both beat your retarded son into retirement.
Are people still running with that one?
Joshua has a good pedigree. He is an Olympic champion, even though some people say he robbed some opponents.
Wilder is bronze medalist in 2008 Bejing Olympics.
Yes, but Joshua started boxing at age 18. Also winning a medal at heavyweight is a lot different than lighter-weights. Even in pro, you can start late and get somewhere, look at Bryant Jennings for instance who started at age 24. Size alone can take you really far, just look at Nikolai Valuev.
Pedigree imo is starting out as at least a teen and winning medals at different levels consistently over the course of many years.
Is it pure delusion? Mikkel Kessler was my neighbour for 3 years you spastic fool :lol1: You have no idea what you're talking about.
Where did I say a single win? I said Ward's best wins are against the same guys Froch beat, only Froch beat them and then a lot more like Taylor, Pascal, Dirrell, Groves and Bute.
Outside of those three, Ward's best wins are Dawson, Bika and Miranda. I mean lol.
Rrrrright and what is your point? He was shot, it was clear.
Ward beating a young/prime Kessler is better than anything Froch has done. Carl couldn't get the job done when Mikkel was fresh.
Mayweather and Canelo won fights they were expected to win.
Fury just dethroned the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
Mayweather, the winner of that fight was supposed to decide the best fighter of this generation.
So let's take it into context. Pascal was undefeated and at the top of his game, so was Andre Dirrell an Olympian who was thought more highly of than Andre Ward as a pro. Abraham had dominated the middleweight division and had just stopped Taylor and then got DQd against Dirrell, a fight he was coming on strong in and had Dirrell running for dear life.
He had a close fight with Kessler who didn't have to worry about being headbutted all night and who was in far better nick than against Ward - I've asked him myself personally.
Before losing to Ward and beating the Road Warrior in the meantime.
Came back from the Ward defeat and beat undefeated and #1 ranked IBF champion Lucian Bute who was a favourite to win the fight. Then beat Kessler.
Then took on the #5 ranked contender in the division, who was also undefeated and at the top of his game - Sure he didn't look good, but then straightened it out in a rematch with an epic KO.
You keep mentioning Ward's 3 wins. But Froch beat the same guys in Kessler and Abraham! :lol1: And that's all Ward's got.
Froch's resume is unquestionably deeper and better than Ward's. It's not even up for discussion and the fact that you won't even list his best wins other than two/three Froch also beat, just confirms it.
Yes Froch will be remembered as a greater champion than Ward, despite losing. His run was a lot better. Ward had 2 years of dominance. Froch had 7 years of fighting every single top contender or champion in the division - Something Ward never did.
And lol @ Rodriguez being a better win than Groves.
Andre "struggled with Bika and headbutted/clinched Kessler all night" Ward sure has a couple of black eyes already.
Sure they "would" look bad for Ward - He better not fight them at all. After all, he beat Froch, so he beat all the guys Froch beat also, right? :lol1:
Kessler was shot to sh.it. when Froch beat him. Why would Carl be remembered as a greater champion than Ward when he got destroyed by a one handed Andre?
A little off topic from the topic off topic. It is amazing thinking about it, Joe Calzaghe dominated and snatched a prime Kessler's 0 and titles and Froch surrendered exactly those to a more worn down version. Levels to this s.hit.
Is it a final eliminator?
Semi final. The winner will fight the leading contender available to determine the mandatory challenger for the Brook-Bizier winner. This article also indirectly confirms the Brook-Bizier bout. I don't get why its not on English speaking outlets yet.
Yeah between them. But what's a better win? Manny Pacquiao who'd been outboxed by a guy Mayweather beat with ease, and knocked out 3 fights ago or Wladimir Klitschko?
Right after the final bell rang, we knew the winner of May-Pac would be the best of this era, can you tell me Fury's place in history just right now? How do we know he isn't a one hit wonder?
Manny got sparked by an ATG, whom he holds a win or two over, no shame, however Wlad having trouble with a guy who started boxing at 24, worked his way to a shot in 6 yrs is something to think about.
We knew that before the first bell as well? :lol1:
I can tell you that Fury's win is as historical as they come. It's one of the absolute best wins anyone has had since Duran beat Ray Leonard.
Much better than beating Manny Pacquiao.
If Klitschko had just been knocked out by Povetkin 3 fights ago and Fury beat him - Then no. But this was one of the most dominant heavyweight champions of all time.
I mean, it's not even close. Mayweather deserves fighter of the decade though.
Yes, we did. :lol1:
It really comes down to personal preference.
He's not even THAT hyped. He's a "solid competitor" and probably future champ. If you don't think he's good then what prospect is?
Did you stutter like Floyd in your head while writing that like "solid compeh compeh compehtheeturrrr"?
Kessler wasn't shot, don't be foolish.
As I said, Ward dominated for 2 years, Froch for 7 years, he fought many more contenders and champions - Despite losing to Ward.
Plenty of fighters have lost to someone they'll be remembered as greater than. It's not everything. Having a career full of great wins and exciting fights and nights, means more than a single win. Ward will be remembered as the better fighter, not the greater. That's the difference.
Ps. That sig.
Cringe.
LOL, that's pure delusion. Kessler was damaged goods, not to mention he was partially blind/serious problems in one eye, hence the withdrawal from Super Six, that's how bad it was.
A single win? So, Ward is just one hit wonder according to you?
#cheekynandos #jealous, now that is cringe. ;)