Identifying a post-Klitschko dominant HW champ...

Usyk is the guy he's 6'3" and he is Probobly as talented as Loma and he moves like a freaking middleweight

Joshua has a good pedigree. He is an Olympic champion, even though some people say he robbed some opponents. Wilder is bronze medalist in 2008 Bejing Olympics. Yes, but Joshua started boxing at age 18. Also winning a medal at heavyweight is a lot different than lighter-weights. Even in pro, you can start late and get somewhere, look at Bryant Jennings for instance who started at age 24. Size alone can take you really far, just look at Nikolai Valuev. Pedigree imo is starting out as at least a teen and winning medals at different levels consistently over the course of many years.

The 2 most dominant champs in boxing history have achieved their credentials assisted by physical gifts and attributes such as height and the ability to use it, weight, athleticism, focus an discipline and power. There are some obvious prospects out there like Joshua that have all these as well. But there's one thing Lennox and the Klitschko's had that these young prospects don't... PEDIGREE! Joshua is a rookie with very few ammy fights under his belt before turning pro. We can see that non-pedigreed fighters can achieve greatness. Think Hasim Rahman for example. But we can also see that such fighters are also always cerebral, lacking that boxing brain that enables them to fight on instinct without recourse to thinking so much. And we can also see that they are never dominant, more like fleeting interests which dwindle with the next girl that comes along. So is there anyone out there on the horizon that fits this bill? A physically and skillfully reasonable candidate with a large PEDIGREE to dominate in the post K era?? I would be very interested in a short list of potentials for further analysis. Hasim rahman and greatness in the same sentence?

how on god's green, lush planet is vitali klitschko a dominant champion :lol1:? dude lost to chris byrd, and lennox almost f#cking blinded him. This is Elroy, where each year that passes becomes the greatest year in Heavyweight boxing, where Sam Peter is in the annals of Heavyweight history beating out no namers like Ali and Louis. Where Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Marciano and Dempsey have no relevance because they are fall below 6 ft 3. Where apparently inside fighting only exists because those fighters don't have the skill to fight on the outside. He creates a fantasy in his head, says it's not debatable and runs with it, sure he's winning a race he created in his head but it's the special Olympics and his disability is mental.

We are living in the strongest HW era in history BY FAR. Not even debatable. This era is the most stacked with the most monstrous opponents there has ever been. And the highest quality records. And the record qualities are directly related to the number of extant boxers which is also at an all time high. It is also the era with the mot professionalism, highest skills and athleticism. The 90's was a great era but most ppl know that the current era is a notch above. All pre-80's eras are "pre-professional eras" riddled with bums, the champs records riddled with cruisers and bums. Sorry but we divulge paths here my friend. :sad2: Yeah. I think we may be in the worst HW era, no worries my friend haha

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administrative reasons like his face being torn to shreds from clean punches? those administrative reasons?

how on god's green, lush planet is vitali klitschko a dominant champion :lol1:? dude lost to chris byrd, and lennox almost f#cking blinded him. Vitali has never legitimately really lost a fight except by admitnistartive reasons. He was winning against both at time of stoppage, both times for unlikely injury. and for those netering the tread who haven't already put in a shameful amount of time on bscene, like me; the TS is a troll. people like himi really exist. he's an account designed to say stupid sh#t and rile people up. eh's probably got some kind of racial agenda, so he argues that an era with a dominant white champion is the best era of all time dude probably has several acconts, actually. i think i remember a guy called "HWblogger" who did the same thing. may even be a guy from another forum who is just here to make people angry. it may even be "JAB" a guy who used to moderate the forum, being a caricature of a klitschko fan. dude used to get into many long argumetns about TKO6 The thread poster is a total troll, thread topic is very relevant. The main issue here is that I specifically stated... NUT BAGS not welcome! Realistic posters ONLY! You have an entire forum called History where your opinions can be propagated, they have no place in real life.. Nothing more needs to be said here...

and for those netering the tread who haven't already put in a shameful amount of time on bscene, like me; the TS is a troll. people like himi really exist. he's an account designed to say stupid sh#t and rile people up. eh's probably got some kind of racial agenda, so he argues that an era with a dominant white champion is the best era of all time dude probably has several acconts, actually. i think i remember a guy called "HWblogger" who did the same thing. may even be a guy from another forum who is just here to make people angry. it may even be "JAB" a guy who used to moderate the forum, being a caricature of a klitschko fan. dude used to get into many long argumetns about TKO6

how on god's green, lush planet is vitali klitschko a dominant champion :lol1:? dude lost to chris byrd, and lennox almost f#cking blinded him.

I get where you're coming from. Experience is priceless. Nearly all the greats started at an early age. I mean look at Floyd, started when he was 4ish. But I was just wondering how you defined pedigree. I agree with what you said, but just remember, considering the state the heavyweight division is in now, I don't think major or significant amateur experience is required to be dominant. I mean once Wlad has retired, the most dominant Heavyweight is Wilder, who has little boxing pedigree. I for sure can't see anyone now, or in the near future (other than AJ) preventing Wilder from being dominant. And let's face is, Wilder is garbage. You're right, but this Heavyweight era is rubbish. Back in the 90s, pedigree was more important because the competition was so good. We are living in the strongest HW era in history BY FAR. Not even debatable. This era is the most stacked with the most monstrous opponents there has ever been. And the highest quality records. And the record qualities are directly related to the number of extant boxers which is also at an all time high. It is also the era with the mot professionalism, highest skills and athleticism. The 90's was a great era but most ppl know that the current era is a notch above. All pre-80's eras are "pre-professional eras" riddled with bums, the champs records riddled with cruisers and bums. Sorry but we divulge paths here my friend. :sad2:

Joshua has a good pedigree. He is an Olympic champion, even though some people say he robbed some opponents. Wilder is bronze medalist in 2008 Bejing Olympics. Wilder is a fully manufactured prospect, he has no relevance to elite level boxing whatsoever. In my opinion the WBC should be completely abolished as a result of the foul play in instating Wilder as a champ and something like the IBO taking it's place if necessary at all. Wilder should also be stripped immediately of his title and have it handed to Povetkin in faith. He, his management and the WBC should also be sued for such corrupt practice. This isn't anything against Wilder as a boxer, he's ok, just he chose the wrong friends. He could get off on the clause he was not intelligent enough to recognise the scam.

Yes Joshua did win gold, that is a great achievement, no denying. For the record I think Joshua is a great prospect and should he win against Whyte, he will probably go on to be a HW champ. But "dominant" I doubt! I don't know HOW MANY exactly it takes exactly to be well pedigreed but I do know that a record of 31-3 at AM is definitely NOT world schooled as is starting boxing aged 18! I did boxing as a teenager as an exercise but I didn't really box until I was 25! Obviously that was not good enough and I was whooped by kids ranking wise. Even though I could choke many of them to death if I wanted with superior strength I could not box like many of them because they had boxed their entire lives since they could walk! There is no comparison to those that have been born and bred to box. These guys have been boxing since 7 years! It's as instinctive as it gets. Consider how many fights guys like Chagaev, Povetkin and Klitschko have... These guys have hundreds of fights before they even TURNED pro and THEN compiled extensive/impressive records at pro! That's why these guys compete into old age and STILL are top contenders or champs in the sport. I don't want to give an aritrary answer only to say that Joshua's pedigree definitely isn't there despite winning gold Joshua winning gold actually is evidence toward that nut bag BoJangles and the good Red Cyclone that physcial gifts like SIZE and ATHLETICISM can go a long way to compensating for experience. However when discussing dominant champs, that is no lite on issue, it requires a combination of physical gifts and experience. That't the main reason for Klitshko's success. It's not his height and weight anymore and strength and fitness that enable him too win, although they are important. But it;s his experience, the best in the business, that makes it all possible. There is no bias in this statement. Read carefully. I get where you're coming from. Experience is priceless. Nearly all the greats started at an early age. I mean look at Floyd, started when he was 4ish. But I was just wondering how you defined pedigree. I agree with what you said, but just remember, considering the state the heavyweight division is in now, I don't think major or significant amateur experience is required to be dominant. I mean once Wlad has retired, the most dominant Heavyweight is Wilder, who has little boxing pedigree. I for sure can't see anyone now, or in the near future (other than AJ) preventing Wilder from being dominant. And let's face is, Wilder is garbage. You're right, but this Heavyweight era is rubbish. Back in the 90s, pedigree was more important because the competition was so good.

Joshua did win gold. How do you define pedigree? How many amateur fights does a guy need to have in order to have pedigree, in your opinion? Yes Joshua did win gold, that is a great achievement, no denying. For the record I think Joshua is a great prospect and should he win against Whyte, he will probably go on to be a HW champ. But "dominant" I doubt! I don't know HOW MANY exactly it takes exactly to be well pedigreed but I do know that a record of 31-3 at AM is definitely NOT world schooled as is starting boxing aged 18! I did boxing as a teenager as an exercise but I didn't really box until I was 25! Obviously that was not good enough and I was whooped by kids ranking wise. Even though I could choke many of them to death if I wanted with superior strength I could not box like many of them because they had boxed their entire lives since they could walk! There is no comparison to those that have been born and bred to box. These guys have been boxing since 7 years! It's as instinctive as it gets. Consider how many fights guys like Chagaev, Povetkin and Klitschko have... These guys have hundreds of fights before they even TURNED pro and THEN compiled extensive/impressive records at pro! That's why these guys compete into old age and STILL are top contenders or champs in the sport. I don't want to give an aritrary answer only to say that Joshua's pedigree definitely isn't there despite winning gold Joshua winning gold actually is evidence toward that nut bag BoJangles and the good Red Cyclone that physcial gifts like SIZE and ATHLETICISM can go a long way to compensating for experience. However when discussing dominant champs, that is no lite on issue, it requires a combination of physical gifts and experience. That't the main reason for Klitshko's success. It's not his height and weight anymore and strength and fitness that enable him too win, although they are important. But it;s his experience, the best in the business, that makes it all possible. There is no bias in this statement. Read carefully.

A good big man always beats the good small guy. More the point there should be an attachment specifying "Nut bags not welcome" This guy who I haven't seen here for months pops up with some garbage like size is all I care about when the opening post is talking all about the importance of pedigree? Unbelievable naivette! :lol1:

According to you it's whoever the biggest guy is. So clearly you think Fury will destroy Wlad since he is so much bigger than "future former cruiserweight" Wladimir Klitschko. A good big man always beats the good small guy.

Joshua s already being ammed into the rankings based on how sweaty and giant his muscles are by the homo brigade before he's really done anything. Time for me to start bashing him. We got off on the right foot but alas...

According to you it's whoever the biggest guy is. So clearly you think Fury will destroy Wlad since he is so much bigger than "future former cruiserweight" Wladimir Klitschko.

Joshua has a good pedigree. He is an Olympic champion, even though some people say he robbed some opponents. Wilder is bronze medalist in 2008 Bejing Olympics.

The 2 most dominant champs in boxing history have achieved their credentials assisted by physical gifts and attributes such as height and the ability to use it, weight, athleticism, focus an discipline and power. There are some obvious prospects out there like Joshua that have all these as well. But there's one thing Lennox and the Klitschko's had that these young prospects don't... PEDIGREE! Joshua is a rookie with very few ammy fights under his belt before turning pro. We can see that non-pedigreed fighters can achieve greatness. Think Hasim Rahman for example. But we can also see that such fighters are also always cerebral, lacking that boxing brain that enables them to fight on instinct without recourse to thinking so much. And we can also see that they are never dominant, more like fleeting interests which dwindle with the next girl that comes along. So is there anyone out there on the horizon that fits this bill? A physically and skillfully reasonable candidate with a large PEDIGREE to dominate in the post K era?? I would be very interested in a short list of potentials for further analysis. Joshua did win gold. How do you define pedigree? How many amateur fights does a guy need to have in order to have pedigree, in your opinion?