Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

[TMLT87]

why did jon never figtht ngannou? dont follow mma but is that not odd on the surface?

Jon doesnt want anything to do with that kind of stylistic match up. Same reason he doesnt want Aspinall. He spent most of his career as a huge LHW having the size advantage over most of his opponents. He is not going to fight guys who negate his size advantage + have showed the ability to shut down his wrestling and force him to stand + have big knockout power. Ngannou and now Aspinall both match that criteria so Jon doesnt doesnt want to know. He was willing to fight Gane (even though Gane is a big dude) because Gane is pillow fisted and is very inexperienced with grappling, and Stipe because Stipe was old as ****.

[kafkod]

You realise punching people in the balls was legal in the early years of the UFC right? its not the magic defence against grappling you think it is. You're seriously underestimating the effectiveness of a good grappler and overestimating the kind of free will the other guy will have to defend against it, especially considering if a choke is locked in they are seconds away from going unconscious, and the panic that tends to induce. You dont just have the ability to calmly go after someones balls while they're ragdolling you around and squeezing your neck.



What exactly is different about a street fight that would prevent Jon from kneeing someone in the head?




This makes no sense. Why would boxing work better for that than the combat sport with the least rules and way more variables that you might encounter "on the street"? Jones is known for gouging his opponents eyes and stomping at their knees. Even though its not technically legal guys get their eyes gouged or kicked in the balls in like 50% of fights in MMA, so why would boxers be more familiar with it and able to use it to their advantage?

Plus almost all of the techniques youre mentioning would work best for a guy who was able to outgrapple his opponent. A dude like Khamzat could take someone down and eat their ****ing face or pull their eyes out of the sockets with ease.

Yes, and the guy Khamzat was fighting would be able to and eat his face and gouge his eyes out with equal ease. Good luck trying shit like that in a street fight with Mike Tyson. You need teeth to eat somebody's face. Being conscious helps too.

[BirdSong]

Jon doesnt want anything to do with that kind of stylistic match up. Same reason he doesnt want Aspinall. He spent most of his career as a huge LHW having the size advantage over most of his opponents. He is not going to fight guys who negate his size advantage + have showed the ability to shut down his wrestling and force him to stand + have big knockout power. Ngannou and now Aspinall both match that criteria so Jon doesnt doesnt want to know. He was willing to fight Gane (even though Gane is a big dude) because Gane is pillow fisted and is very inexperienced with grappling, and Stipe because Stipe was old as ****.

sooo his fans call him the goat but he didnbt fight top guys.............. wtf is mma BOXING lol just joking

[kafkod]

i do rmember long time ago the mma'ers brought this up for hte billionth time and there was some pic of some skinny mma wreastler guy who was going to beat up prime mike tyson LOL i laughed so hard mike cant touch him lol no matter whatr he does was funny

The crap about Ronda and Iron Mike was even funnier!

Apparently, learning grappling and getting signed by the UFC has the same effect on human beings as exposure to gamma rays had on David Banner.

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[crimsonfalcon07]

Against Mike Tyson in a street fight, I don't think he would be able to stay on his feet for more than a few seconds, even if he tried.

I honestly don't think it would be that big of a challenge to take down Tyson, prime or not, and if you've never been taken down hard, especially on concrete, you don't know how stunning that can be. Boxers have lots of bad habits when it comes to ground fighting. If the boxer can't catch them coming in and doesn't know how to defend a takedown, it's game over if they can't time the one and only chance they're going to get before they're on the ground. And their instinct will be to defend the throwaway punch used to set up the takedown.

[kafkod]

I honestly don't think it would be that big of a challenge to take down Tyson, prime or not, and if you've never been taken down hard, especially on concrete, you don't know how stunning that can be. Boxers have lots of bad habits when it comes to ground fighting. If the boxer can't catch them coming in and doesn't know how to defend a takedown, it's game over if they can't time the one and only chance they're going to get before they're on the ground. And their instinct will be to defend the throwaway punch used to set up the takedown.

Pretty bad, I expect, but nowhere near as stunning as a punch in the head from a bare fisted Mike Tyson.

Re the takedowns, there is an MMA rule which was specifically introduced to prevent grapplers from getting seriously injured, or worse, while shooting and grappling for leg takedowns - no downward strikes to the back of the head or neck. Think about it.

No kicks or stamps to the head of a grounded fighter is another MMA rule that advantages grapplers over strikers.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Pretty bad, I expect, but nowhere near as stunning as a left hook to the head or face by a bare knuckle Mike Tyson.

Re the takedowns, there is an MMA rule which was specifically introduced to prevent grapplers from getting seriously injured, or worse, while shooting and grappling for leg takedowns - no downward strikes to the back of the head or neck. Think about it.

No kicks or stamps to the head of a grounded fighter is another MMA rule that advantages grapplers over strikers.

If you've never defended a takedown, you don't know how hard that is. Effectively it's like trying to knock a guy out before he can tie you up. And you have to do it the first time or you lose the fight. Think about how often boxers are able to close the distance and tie up, even when their opponents don't want them to. There's a vanishingly small chance a boxer can keep the wrestler from getting inside enough for a takedown. And that's just takedowns, nevermind kicks. I've stopped two guys who were Golden Gloves winners with low kicks.

[TMLT87]

Yes, and the guy Khamzat was fighting would be able to and eat his face and gouge his eyes out with equal ease.

But...he wouldnt. Because the other guy would be on his back completely restrained and controlled, just like the actual grappling trained elite MMA fighters that Khamzat is able to ragdoll with ease. I mean the basic physics and mechanics of these positions are obvious to anyone that has actually trained grappling which is why the claims are so ridiculous. You're selling MMA fighters, grapplers, kickboxers, basically fighters other than boxers INSANELY short here by acting like their weapons can be easily negated with these techniques that boxers dont even train to do.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Ali fared poorly in mixed matches which would include this street fight.

Tyson is unproven in mixed martial arts, but he's in the ultimate street fighter class that Ali could never achieve.

[TMLT87]

sooo his fans call him the goat but he didnbt fight top guys.............. wtf is mma BOXING lol just joking

He does have a really strong resume overall, I dont like the guy because hes an ******* but its hard to criticize him too much for not being that eager to go up a weight class 15+ years into his career and fight all comers.