Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

[TMLT87]

Holly Holm won UFC gold (extensive kickboxing experience, won the title in her most famous fight with a head kick)
JDS - Terrible boxer, won UFC gold using virtually nothing but his awful boxing, (BJJ black belt)
Cody Garbrandt another failed boxer who won UFC gold (collegiate wrestling background, was a state champion in high school)
Jack Della Maddalena - Utilises nothing but boxing and is destroying guys in the UFC right now (BJJ blackbelt, multidimensional striker who uses plenty of kicks and other strikes)
Conor - Came from an amateur boxing background (see above)
Stipe Miocic - Wrestling credentials, sure but again basically won UFC gold purely with his boxing. (div 1 wrestler, purple belt BJJ, used wrestling to shut down Ngannou in their first fight)
Petr Yan - Dominated the sport with boxing (literally one of the most dynamic and well rounded guys in the sport)
Nick and Nate Diaz - Great jiu-jitsu but fought solely using boxing (could utilize their boxing because people were afraid to go to the ground with them due to their BJJ)
Jorge Masvidal - Had solid success utilising virtually pure boxing. (Most famous win came from a flying knee)
Max Holloway - Extremely boxing reliant (BJJ brown belt and strong defensive wrestling)
Elena Reid - Terrible boxer went 4-1 and beat Michelle Waterson (dont watch women)
Mia St John - 1-0 in MMA (dont watch women)
Amanda Serrano - Undefeated in MMA and submission grappling (dont watch women)
Marcus Davis - Low level boxer transitioned to MMA and went 23-11 (karate black belt, had been training grappling for 8 years before he made his MMA debut,was a journeyman)
Chris Lytle(wrestling background)
Ray Mercer (Landed a Hail Mary against notoriously lazy Tim Sylvia, his other MMA fight was him getting tapped out in a minute by Kimbo ****ing Slice, also went 0-2 in kickboxing)

Shannon Briggs fought in K1
Frans Botha
Jarrell Miller

Botha went 4-12 in kickboxing and 0-1 in MMA.

Miller was more so a mediocre kickboxer who transitioned to boxing, like Dillian Whyte. He lost twice to an old Cro Cop who had been cut from the UFC after getting KO'd three times in a row.

Briggs kickboxed against Tom Erikson, an MMA fighter who was pretty much a one dimensional wrestler. He won but was taking kicks before he landed a big shot and later admitted that he was very close to hitting the canvas from them. His take was Erikson got ****y and came in closer because Briggs lulled him into a false sense of security by throwing half power shots.

[BirdSong]

the real question here should be would the HULK be able to take a single leg kick from a mma guy???? im thinking NO one well placed kick and the big guy would crumple to the ground GAME OVER!!! LOL

[BirdSong]

these are funny ass street fights u guys might be talking about!!!!! no lets seee, im out on the town and hear a shout FIGHT FIGHT and run to the corner to have a look and what do i see????? 10 guys rolling about the place on the concrete dry humping each other LOLLLL NOOO thats not what i see a street fighgt is fast hands u want to crack that guy quick and get OUTA THERE!!!! LOL smack and GO smack and GO u see the guy fall and u WIN that one OR u try to grab him and dry humkp him on the concrete LOL what might happen who the **** knows u might g4et a kick in the head an finger in the eye idk LOL

[Johnny2x2x]

MMA is not a street fight. You don't want to ever go to the ground in the street. Jones leg kicks wouldn't be a factor, but his elbows might be.

People who have this imaginary street fight where a crowd stands around watching two guys roll around on the ground have watched too many movies. Street fights are messier than that, they rarely are 1 on 1 and whoever can land the first 3 or 4 shots quickly wins 95% of the time.

A street fight, I give Tyson the advantage over Jones. Now lock those 2 in a room and let them go at it with no interference, Jones wins every time.

[TMLT87]

MMA is not a street fight. You don't want to ever go to the ground in the street. Jones leg kicks wouldn't be a factor, but his elbows might be.

People who have this imaginary street fight where a crowd stands around watching two guys roll around on the ground have watched too many movies. Street fights are messier than that, they rarely are 1 on 1 and whoever can land the first 3 or 4 shots quickly wins 95% of the time.

A street fight, I give Tyson the advantage over Jones. Now lock those 2 in a room and let them go at it with no interference, Jones wins every time.

Arent you essentially saying Mike could win if he had more buddies to help him, threw a sucker punch or had a weapon? ie things that have nothing to do with actual fighting ability. I mean what else differentiates being "on the street" vs the two of them being locked in a room?

[Willow The Wisp]

They both have the same chance as each other.

As close to 0% as humanly possible

Ray Mercer nine second KO of still top 10 ranked 2 time UCF champion Tim Sylvia is our best indication.

Both cut from the same cloth, and the far bigger rewards in Boxing pulls the best natural fighters towards IT.
After that, you simply train for the combat rules you've chosen.

The broader toolkit theory is offset.

[TMLT87]

Ray Mercer nine second KO of still top 10 ranked 2 time UCF champion Tim Sylvia is our best indication.

Its an indication that punchers chance is a thing, thats about it. He lost his other MMA fight to basically a backyard brawler with barely any more MMA experience than him, and went 0-2 in kickboxing.

Both cut from the same cloth, and the far bigger rewards in Boxing pulls the best natural fighters towards IT.
After that, you simply train for the combat rules you've chosen.

Ive got mixed feelings on this, I do mostly agree that boxing has the highest concentration of raw athletic talent in it (and the bigger talent pool) but at the same time a lot of the talent that goes into MMA are guys that wrestled from a young age. There is a clear pipeline from wrestling to MMA due to the highly transferable skillset so its a logical move for them, its not that they are guys who werent "good enough" for the bigger money of boxing or whatever. Plus a lot of wrestlers are absolute ****ing beasts athletically as well.

[BirdSong]

There is a clear pipeline from wrestling to MMA due to the highly transferable skillset so its a logical move for them, its not that they are guys who werent "good enough" for the bigger money of boxing or whatever. Plus a lot of wrestlers are absolute ****ing beasts athletically as well.

yeah not every athletic guy wants to get pounded in the head for a living!!!! wrestlers have it hard getting to the top of that sport!!! then they go mma but cant punch so good and are labelled crap by boxers but its not the full story since they are only really learning striking which is different than punching but have other skills honed over many years like boxers do too

[dan_cov]

Botha went 4-12 in kickboxing and 0-1 in MMA.

Miller was more so a mediocre kickboxer who transitioned to boxing, like Dillian Whyte. He lost twice to an old Cro Cop who had been cut from the UFC after getting KO'd three times in a row.

Briggs kickboxed against Tom Erikson, an MMA fighter who was pretty much a one dimensional wrestler. He won but was taking kicks before he landed a big shot and later admitted that he was very close to hitting the canvas from them. His take was Erikson got ****y and came in closer because Briggs lulled him into a false sense of security by throwing half power shots.

So you just discredit every boxer for evolving and adapting to be successful in other disciplines? Literally nothing but excuses.

[BirdSong]

Tyson, people forget almost all street fights are initiated with sucker punches and last all of 20 seconds including those of MMA fighters they always throw punches first and in that scenario Tyson is heavily favored due to his mix of speed and power.

Also MMA fighters are keenly aware of the dangers of taking a fight to the ground in a street fighting scenario, he could have mates which represent an ever present danger.

If you're tussling for position with someone on the ground you're lined up perfectly for a well placed soccer kick or to simply be attacked by multiple people.

maybe he means a 1 on 1 beef in one of their back yards!!!!