Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

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    #231
    Originally posted by TMLT87

    Yeah thats why Lucas Browne got KTFO by ****ing Jim York, a C level journeyman who never made it to the UFC and lost to 5'9 40 something decade past prime Jeff Monson in his next fight. And why Claressa Shields gets "fed" chicks with losing records and/or barely any more MMA experience than her only to end up going life and death with them lol.

    Theres an entire industry of cans designed to pad up and comers records in boxing. Many wont even try to win because they know what their role is. Thats not a thing in other combat sports.
    There are so few MMA "greats" that are recognized outside of the sport
    Does it even have a HOF ???

    The "A" part of MMA eludes me......
    Looks like people just kicking, "punching" and wrestling to me

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      #232
      Originally posted by TheProudLunatic

      There are so few MMA "greats" that are recognized outside of the sport
      You mean YOU dont know about them. Theres been at least as many mainstream names coming out of MMA as boxing in the last 15-20 years.


      Originally posted by TheProudLunatic
      ​The "A" part of MMA eludes me......
      Looks like people just kicking, "punching" and wrestling to me​
      But let me guess, you think boxing, a much more simple sport, is the "sweet SCIENCE" right?

      Your whole condescending tone towards MMA ("greats""punching" etc) makes it clear you're one of those boxing fans thats always gonna be stubbornly set in your ways about it. It is what it is

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        #233
        Originally posted by TMLT87

        You mean YOU dont know about them. Theres been at least as many mainstream names coming out of MMA as boxing in the last 15-20 years.
        Please, school me

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          #234
          Originally posted by TheProudLunatic

          Please, school me
          Jones, GSP, Fedor and Anderson are generally considered to be the Mt Rushmore. They all had long dominant runs at a high level and are considered the best ever at their weight. Then you have guys like Khabib, Aldo and DJ who some might throw in the mix with them.

          As far as active ATGs - Jon, Aldo, Adesanya, Usman, Volk, Ngannou are all around but in the twilight of their careers. Holloway isnt too old but he has a lot of mileage and just got knocked out for the first time ever so its hard to say what stage of his career hes at now. Then theres guys on the verge of ATG status like Islam, Topuria and Merab, maybe Khamzat if he can stay healthy and be more active.

          Lastly, Alex Pereira, who fights next week. He was arguably the greatest kickboxer ever at his weight, then switched to MMA a few years ago and was fast tracked because of his history with the UFC champ at his weight at the time Adesanya (who he beat in kickboxing twice back in the day), he then took the UFC belt off him too, later moved up a weight class and took the belt there, and is now probably the biggest actual active full time star in MMA. I wouldnt say hes quite at ATG status purely in MMA yet, but he definitely is if you look at him as an overall combat sport athlete considering hes had massive success in two different sports. On paper next week is probably his toughest fight yet in MMA though, the guy hes fighting is the bogeyman who people claim the UFC was protecting him from.

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            #235
            Originally posted by TMLT87

            Jones, GSP, Fedor and Anderson are generally considered to be the Mt Rushmore. They all had long dominant runs at a high level and are considered the best ever at their weight. Then you have guys like Khabib, Aldo and DJ who some might throw in the mix with them.

            As far as active ATGs - Jon, Aldo, Adesanya, Usman, Volk, Ngannou are all around but in the twilight of their careers. Holloway isnt too old but he has a lot of mileage and just got knocked out for the first time ever so its hard to say what stage of his career hes at now. Then theres guys on the verge of ATG status like Islam, Topuria and Merab, maybe Khamzat if he can stay healthy and be more active.

            Lastly, Alex Pereira, who fights next week. He was arguably the greatest kickboxer ever at his weight, then switched to MMA a few years ago and was fast tracked because of his history with the UFC champ at his weight at the time Adesanya (who he beat in kickboxing twice back in the day), he then took the UFC belt off him too, later moved up a weight class and took the belt there, and is now probably the biggest actual active full time star in MMA. I wouldnt say hes quite at ATG status purely in MMA yet, but he definitely is if you look at him as an overall combat sport athlete considering hes had massive success in two different sports. On paper next week is probably his toughest fight yet in MMA though, the guy hes fighting is the bogeyman who people claim the UFC was protecting him from.
            Bruh......Please ask the search engine of your choice...
            "How known/popular are (fill in those names) ?"

            Hit me with the link !

            I would do it but I already know the answer

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              #236
              Originally posted by TheProudLunatic

              Bruh......Please ask the search engine of your choice...
              "How known/popular are (fill in those names) ?"

              Hit me with the link !

              I would do it but I already know the answer
              Imagine being in such a bubble that you dont know who Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, Khabib, GSP etc are

              How many MMA guys have been in movie roles, involved with stuff like the WWE etc at this point? granted Usyk has a movie role coming up too... playing MMA fighter igor Vovchachyn LOL. He also has recently talked about potentially doing a crossover fight with Pereira. Ngannou walked straight into a boxing match with Fury and AJ. Canelo sat in his locker room for an extra hour so his own crowd could watch Nate/Jorge. The biggest drawing boxing match of the last almost decade now is Floyd vs Conor. But yeah nobody knows these guys...

              The funny thing is as a fan of both I see the exact same **** slinging going in the other direction. Do you realise how many MMA casuals there are out there going "Jake Paul is the face of boxing" "boxing needs Youtubers and MMA fighters to generate interest" "the biggest boxing match of the year is a Youtuber vs 60 year old Mike Tyson" etc etc nowadays?

              Anyway, I gave you a serious answer to your ATGs question, giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might have actually genuinely wanted to learn. But whatever lol.

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                #237
                I mean for ****s sake if you ever watch Top Rank for one you'll be hearing about/seeing UFC names considering they routinely plug upcoming UFCs during the broadcasts since they're both ESPN.

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                  #238
                  Originally posted by TMLT87

                  Imagine being in such a bubble that you dont know who Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, Khabib, GSP etc are

                  How many MMA guys have been in movie roles, involved with stuff like the WWE etc at this point? granted Usyk has a movie role coming up too... playing MMA fighter igor Vovchachyn LOL. He also has recently talked about potentially doing a crossover fight with Pereira. Ngannou walked straight into a boxing match with Fury and AJ. Canelo sat in his locker room for an extra hour so his own crowd could watch Nate/Jorge. The biggest drawing boxing match of the last almost decade now is Floyd vs Conor. But yeah nobody knows these guys...

                  The funny thing is as a fan of both I see the exact same **** slinging going in the other direction. Do you realise how many MMA casuals there are out there going "Jake Paul is the face of boxing" "boxing needs Youtubers and MMA fighters to generate interest" "the biggest boxing match of the year is a Youtuber vs 60 year old Mike Tyson" etc etc nowadays?

                  Anyway, I gave you a serious answer to your ATGs question, giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might have actually genuinely wanted to learn. But whatever lol.
                  I think you are overestimating their notoriety
                  When you mention MMA guys being in movies...
                  Are they "4th henchman from the left (non speaking role)" ?

                  Throwing out names and expecting them to be household names is not how it works.
                  Unless you live in an octagon.

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                    #239
                    Originally posted by TheProudLunatic

                    I think you are overestimating their notoriety
                    When you mention MMA guys being in movies...
                    Are they "4th henchman from the left (non speaking role)" ?

                    Throwing out names and expecting them to be household names is not how it works.
                    Unless you live in an octagon.
                    I think its more that you're underestimating, massively. The UFC is a ****ing behemoth of a promotion, has been since the late 00s. They are giving these guys a far bigger platform to be seen than boxing promotions are able to give anybody. Go look at social media followings and YT views for these guys compared to boxers on average. Boxing didnt even gave a major video game release for over a decade for ****s sake. AJ and Fury had to be featured in UFC games lol.

                    Again, imagine being a boxing fan and trying to argue with the MMA fan equivalent of you - do you think they consider Tank, Crawford, Inoue, Beterbiev, Bivol etc to be stars? many of them have no idea who those guys are.

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