Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

[dan_cov]

Botha went 4-12, sure, ok but he fought nothing but the best. The mount Rushmore of kickboxing. The top kickboxers in their peak while juiced out of their minds. 40 years old and he beat 4 including 2 ATGs and another top level K1 champion and gave all the rest absolute hell despite being an old man and in horrible shape. Its not like he was a great boxer either just incredibly tough.
The reality is a gatekeeper boxer who was out of shape and nearly 40 went to kickboxing and beat several of the best fighters the sports ever produced. That happened! Wins over 3 prime as you like, clearly roided up K1 champions in their own damn sport.

Miller a mediocre kickboxer? The fact he was a 'mediocre kickboxer' using just boxing (not a great boxer by any stretch) despite not even in his prime should tell you something. That mediocre kickboxer also finished 22-2 with his only losses to a legend of the sport and a win over Pat Barry, a very good kickboxer.

[Legends456]

Skill for skill, Jon Jones likely beats them both at once.

The wild card is, Tyson went to prison and was involved in many street fights as well. So he could have a mental edge based on those experiences. Same way as a SEAL who’s seen combat might be able to defeat/kill an elite boxer like Crawford if they met unarmed in an alleyway or a forest somewhere. Even though Crawford would always win in the ring.

[TMLT87]

Tyson, people forget almost all street fights are initiated with sucker punches and last all of 20 seconds including those of MMA fighters they always throw punches first and in that scenario Tyson is heavily favored due to his mix of speed and power.

Also MMA fighters are keenly aware of the dangers of taking a fight to the ground in a street fighting scenario, he could have mates which represent an ever present danger.

If you're tussling for position with someone on the ground you're lined up perfectly for a well placed soccer kick or to simply be attacked by multiple people.

If we are talking about sucker punching people and having your mates jump in what the **** is even the point of the discussion? any one of us could potentially beat either of them too in that scenario. Its meaningless.

[TMLT87]

Botha went 4-12, sure, ok but he fought nothing but the best. The mount Rushmore of kickboxing. The top kickboxers in their peak while juiced out of their minds. 40 years old and he beat 4 including 2 ATGs and another top level K1 champion and gave all the rest absolute hell despite being an old man and in horrible shape. Its not like he was a great boxer either just incredibly tough.
The reality is a gatekeeper boxer who was out of shape and nearly 40 went to kickboxing and beat several of the best fighters the sports ever produced. That happened! Wins over 3 prime as you like, clearly roided up K1 champions in their own damn sport.

Miller a mediocre kickboxer? The fact he was a 'mediocre kickboxer' using just boxing (not a great boxer by any stretch) despite not even in his prime should tell you something. That mediocre kickboxer also finished 22-2 with his only losses to a legend of the sport and a win over Pat Barry, a very good kickboxer.

Botha was 35 and a year removed from his world title shot against Wlad when he switched to K1, not 40, and he lost his first 5 fights in a row. He wasnt fighting "nothing but the best" either. Dude got stopped in 2 mins by Mighty Mo. Also lost to Cyril Abidi, a guy Rampage had knocked out in the first round, lost to nobodies like Khattou and Fujimoto etc. You're also conveniently ignoring that of the two notable wins he got (Aerts and Le Banner) one was Aerts literally just injuring his own leg throwing a kick and not being able to continue, the other was Le Banner forfeiting the extension round, cant remember why exactly. So they werent exactly clear legit victories.

The point i'm making about Miller is that you're trying to paint him like he was a representative of boxing or something, but he wasnt, he was predominantly a kickboxer who later went to boxing full time. Saying he only used boxing in his fights is disingenuous as well, are you saying he never kicked? are you saying his stance in kickboxing didnt take into account the need to kick and defend kicks? are you saying his ability to defend against kicks was the same as just any guy plucked from boxing?

You're also forgetting the "legend of the sport" Miller lost to was 40 and had only recently returned from a decade long hiatus from the sport after being cut from the UFC due to getting KTFO three times in a row there. I wouldnt say Pat Barry was a particularly good kickboxer either, and was an even worse MMA fighter.

[BirdSong]

Skill for skill, Jon Jones likely beats them both at once.

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beats both at once????!!!! u living in the reality world or sometype of mma jon jones blow job world??? LOL

[QueensburyRules]

yeah not every athletic guy wants to get pounded in the head for a living!!!! wrestlers have it hard getting to the top of that sport!!! then they go mma but cant punch so good and are labelled crap by boxers but its not the full story since they are only really learning striking which is different than punching but have other skills honed over many years like boxers do too

- - When the MMA guys first flooded boxing forums telling us how they can beat up boxers in a street fight, I laughed at their obvious immaturity in understanding street fights and boxers.

And I told them that the UFC fighters would end up using their boxing to dominate the sport, ie Georges St-Pierre and Anderson Silva who was tapped by Roy Jones for a boxing match that White killed. Much later Silva would box and beat a former WBC Champion Middleweight...yup sir, them was the days still in force today.

[The D3vil]

Mike Tyson by far

First of all, Tyson's actually had street fights, being from the streets of Brownsville, Brooklyn.

Ali was more refined & came from a good family in Louisville. You got to go to a DARRRRK place to win a street fight.

Street fights have no rules & we know Tyson will bite, clench, & anything else that you'd need to do to win a no-holds barred fight in the streets.

[BirdSong]

Mike Tyson by far

First of all, Tyson's actually had street fights, being from the streets of Brownsville, Brooklyn.

Ali was more refined & came from a good family in Louisville. You got to go to a DARRRRK place to win a street fight.

Street fights have no rules & we know Tyson will bite, clench, & anything else that you'd need to do to win a no-holds barred fight in the streets.

mike was a vicious little bastard if he went all berzerk on you when he was younger i dont think id want to be in his path!!!!!! and im not sure jon jones would want to be either!!! LOL

[Ezio Valentino Madison]

Pretty bad, I expect, but nowhere near as stunning as a punch in the head from a bare fisted Mike Tyson.

Re the takedowns, there is an MMA rule which was specifically introduced to prevent grapplers from getting seriously injured, or worse, while shooting and grappling for leg takedowns - no downward strikes to the back of the head or neck. Think about it.

No kicks or stamps to the head of a grounded fighter is another MMA rule that advantages grapplers over strikers.

'Many considered Tyson the most dangerous man in the world at the time.

In a recent appearance on UFC Tonight, the former boxing heavyweight champion said that’s not the case, Royce Gracie would have beaten him.

Speaking to UFC tonight a number of years ago, Tyson answered the question as wether he would be able to beat Royce Gracie in an MMA fight:

“Well, in ’93, I was in prison, so there wouldn’t have been a fight, but there is no way I would have won. I had no idea what was going on with that type of fighting and would’ve been taken by surprise”, Tyson said.

“I would have had to train in that particular art of fighting before that happened. That’s a particular art. You’re not going to go in there with just your hand and not have a great ground game. You also need a great wrestling game to be successful, and you won’t be exciting, as well. You have to have both games. You have to know how to wrestle and box. That’s just the truth.

Tyson admitted that if he had been offered the opportunity to compete in the first tournament (and if he wasn’t in prison) his ego would likely have forced him to accept.

“My ego would have told me I’m the best fighter in the world with all the particular fighting aspects, and I would have tried it.”

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/mike-...ck-in-the-day/

[Ezio Valentino Madison]

MMA is not a street fight. You don't want to ever go to the ground in the street. Jones leg kicks wouldn't be a factor, but his elbows might be.

People who have this imaginary street fight where a crowd stands around watching two guys roll around on the ground have watched too many movies. Street fights are messier than that, they rarely are 1 on 1 and whoever can land the first 3 or 4 shots quickly wins 95% of the time.

A street fight, I give Tyson the advantage over Jones. Now lock those 2 in a room and let them go at it with no interference, Jones wins every time.

and boxing is? i'd say the sport where you can grapple, elbow, kick, punch, knee to the head and punch someone on the floor resembles a fight more than one where you just throw punches with thick gloves on and clinch when you are up close before the ref breaks it up to start again