Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

[dan_cov]

Alex was/is a top level kickboxer but he isn't exactly a great kicker on the grand scheme.

He throws a very effective calf kick with no telegraph and its effective as there is no load up so fighters can't brace for it or check and he doesn't even turn his hip over but from a technique perspective his kicks are not great any stretch. In fact a lot of kickboxers and MMA fighters are not great kickers.
Good enough along with the rest of his tools to win multiple championships in multiple sports so that is the main thing but solely on his kicking ability its not top level.

If you showed his kicks to a high level Muay Thai fighter I don't think they would be too impressed

[IronDanHamza]

I was just naming boxers who ate leg kicks cause you was acting like a boxer couldn't take a single one which as we've seen from multiple videos simply isn't the case.
Botha fought much better kickboxers and kickers than Alex.

Not sure who he beat other than Pat Barry but he fought Cro Cop twice (one bad decision against him iirc). Point is he did exceptionally well with just boxing and ate all their kicks

You said better kickers than Perreria.

Botha transitioned to kick boxing and had lengthy stint in it unlike Mike Tyson who has never been kicked in his leg in his life by anyone with any kind of competence. It's apples to oranges.

Miller bad decision vs Cro Cop Stop it.

[dan_cov]

So a boxer can have great success and even win titles in an MMA fighters own sport but apparently they can not win a Street fight against one?

There are countless videos of MMA fighters getting spanked by regular guys.
Shara Bullet didn't exactly destroy some random bloke until he sucker punched him afterwards.
Tito Ortiz got KTFO by Lee Murray with just boxing
BJ Penn got slept by some random fat drunk & so on.

Any MMA fighter can and very likely will get slept by a boxer unless they can immediately get the fight to the ground where they have the upper hand.

[dan_cov]

A boxer vs 3 including a guy who throws a leg kick

[IronDanHamza]

So a boxer can have great success and even win titles in an MMA fighters own sport but apparently they can not win a Street fight against one?

There are countless videos of MMA fighters getting spanked by regular guys.
Shara Bullet didn't exactly destroy some random bloke until he sucker punched him afterwards.
Tito Ortiz got KTFO by Lee Murray with just boxing
BJ Penn got slept by some random fat drunk & so on.

Any MMA fighter can and very likely will get slept by a boxer unless they can immediately get the fight to the ground where they have the upper hand.

Well for starters the issue here is you are naming people that aren't boxers and deeming them boxers for some reason.

Lee Murray, was an MMA fighter. Not a boxer. You can't just label people boxers when they're not.

For every crap example you use I see your example and raise you Francis Ngannou walsted into the boxing world with 0 fights amateur or pro and dropped and almost beat the #1 HW boxer in the world None of your examples are going to come close to that.

You will not find an example of a boxer with 0 MMA fights Am or Pro beating an elite MMA fighter let alone the #1 in the divison. So it's a moot point from there.

[IronDanHamza]

A boxer vs 3 including a guy who throws a leg kick

You can't think this video means something. You just can't.

I'm still waiting on these countless videos of Mike Tyson's real fights vs street thugs and legit martial artists.

[dan_cov]

You said better kickers than Perreria.

Botha transitioned to kick boxing and had lengthy stint in it unlike Mike Tyson who has never been kicked in his leg in his life by anyone with any kind of competence. It's apples to oranges.

Miller bad decision vs Cro Cop Stop it.

The names I mentioned are all better kickers than Pereira.
Sefo, Aerts, Bonjasky, Abidi, Cro Cop

[dan_cov]

You only have to look at Bully Beatdown, remember that show?

A show that contested elite MMA fighters vs regular Joes.
In most matches it took several minutes for the MMA to secure a takedown even vs a regular guy who was a lot smaller had zero footwork or understanding. There was a cage behind which helps massively also the regular Joes didn't have the benefit of wearing shoes/trainers.

Even with all this very rarely was it a case of them being able to just take them straight down and submit them.
Hell in some cases the 'bully' held their damn own and one guy even beat the MMA fighters a55!

[dan_cov]

Well for starters the issue here is you are naming people that aren't boxers and deeming them boxers for some reason.

Lee Murray, was an MMA fighter. Not a boxer. You can't just label people boxers when they're not.

For every crap example you use I see your example and raise you Francis Ngannou walsted into the boxing world with 0 fights amateur or pro and dropped and almost beat the #1 HW boxer in the world None of your examples are going to come close to that.

You will not find an example of a boxer with 0 MMA fights Am or Pro beating an elite MMA fighter let alone the #1 in the divison. So it's a moot point from there.

Good example.
Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia who was not long removed from being the UFC HW champion.

But I feel Botha having such success in K1 (A gatekeeper in boxing that was 40 at the time) is much better he beat two prime ATG kickboxers among others and gave several others absolute hell. That is about the equivalent of a journeyman kickboxer or MMA fighter coming to boxing and fighting Ali, Tyson, Foreman, Liston, Holmes, Holyfield, Usyk etc and beating multiple and giving all the rest absolute hell. Sure his record isn't great overall but look who he fought. He fought real monsters in K1 and held his own at 40.

Fair play to Silva and Ngannou but I feel it was more down to the fact it was vs two of the biggest slobs in the sport but still, credit to both coming over and giving a great account of themselves.

[TMLT87]

Boxing alone has had more success by far than jiu-jitsu alone despite the sport being practically centred clean around it.

Nobody in MMA has ever had success with boxing alone, anyone that does well with their hands has an entire support system built around their boxing game to ensure they can keep things at that range for sustained periods.

There have been BJJ guys like Maia and obviously Royce who had success while having basically zero striking ability. Even more so one dimensional wrestlers like Askren, Fitch, Shields, Brock et al.