Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

[dan_cov]

Ask any wrestler how much more difficult it is to take someone down even a total novice that has footwear on.

It really is not a case of an MMA fighter will just take them down, its not that simple.
Not only do they have to avoid getting hit etc even if they can grab hold its actually very difficult to take someone in footwear down just because of the grip of them. I

I've also seen many times its become a bit of a grappling match and the guy getting the upper hand has a handful of shirt and the others pulled away leaving them with the shirt in hand and got separation.
Footwear, clothing etc change it completely not to mention the concrete, no cage to work with, fighters having to hold back from stamping/kicking and so on.

A lot of things that work incredibly well in MMA do not work nearly as well in the Street

[dan_cov]

Listen to Anthony Smith on when he encountered a home invader.

This was Smith in camp at the top of his game vs a guy he puts around 165-170lbs

He does a good job explaining how different it is when its in the heat of the moment and says it was one of the toughest fights he's ever had in his whole life.
He couldn't submit him, knock him out and the person was freakishly strong, you can tell he is blown away, almost confused by it and he held his own for 6+ minutes until the police arrived.

I am not saying MMA doesn't work I am just saying in a real 0-100 situation where you aren't prepared, adrenalines going etc its very different.

[TheProudLunatic]

'Many considered Tyson the most dangerous man in the world at the time.

In a recent appearance on UFC Tonight, the former boxing heavyweight champion said that’s not the case, Royce Gracie would have beaten him.

Speaking to UFC tonight a number of years ago, Tyson answered the question as wether he would be able to beat Royce Gracie in an MMA fight

"..... in a street fight ?"

[TheProudLunatic]

fact is that no high level boxer has been willing to compromise in any rules against a UFC fighter... they know they would be embarrassed, hence why every UFC/boxing crossover is done with 100 percent boxing rules.... they wont even let the UFC fighters have 1 round out of 12 where they can do takedowns, kicks and grappling

There is too much risk
Even in winning
Losing in boxing is more profitable than winning in MMA.....$wise

And let's flip it -
MMA guys would not have a very long career in boxing if they were not allowed to kick and wrestle.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Street fights and bar fights are standing brawls usually.

I would prefer a boxer or a muay thai fighter against MMA guy

[TMLT87]

And let's flip it -
MMA guys would not have a very long career in boxing if they were not allowed to kick and wrestle.

There are definitely guys in MMA who can box a bit and could have been decent journeymen types. There are far worse actual full time boxers out there than guys like Holloway and Topuria, and that includes guys with winning records.

[Ezio Valentino Madison]

Ask any wrestler how much more difficult it is to take someone down even a total novice that has footwear on.

It really is not a case of an MMA fighter will just take them down, its not that simple.
Not only do they have to avoid getting hit etc even if they can grab hold its actually very difficult to take someone in footwear down just because of the grip of them. I

I've also seen many times its become a bit of a grappling match and the guy getting the upper hand has a handful of shirt and the others pulled away leaving them with the shirt in hand and got separation.
Footwear, clothing etc change it completely not to mention the concrete, no cage to work with, fighters having to hold back from stamping/kicking and so on.

A lot of things that work incredibly well in MMA do not work nearly as well in the Street

it really is....

[Ezio Valentino Madison]

Street fights and bar fights are standing brawls usually.

I would prefer a boxer or a muay thai fighter against MMA guy

yeah cause street fights are usually fights with two bums who have no experience and as such will swing punches... a street fight with an elite MMA fighter involved is going to look a lot different

[Ezio Valentino Madison]

"..... in a street fight ?"

early UFC barely had any rules.... i just dont get how you guys seem to think only knowing one part of fighting (boxing) prepares someone for a street fight better than someone who has trained in all aspects, its just ridiculous... as if its some sort of advantage to not know anything about grappling/clinch fighting (im talking muay thai style clinch where you are getting kneed and elbowed to the head not the boxing one where the ref seperates them when hugging)

[Ezio Valentino Madison]

People just have no idea how muscle memory works and the split second reaction timing we're dealing with here.

These big stiff, roided up wrestlers are so slow and have no processing ability. Their natural reaction is throw themselves at a guys legs.
It might work in MMA but on concrete where you're going to wreck your knees, elbows etc its a different ball game. Its completely overblown because MMA is a restricted form of fighting which people seem to struggle to grasp that doesn't allow for kicking a downed opponent, stamping, every type of elbow, eye gauges, kicks to the nuts etc
Most of which would be on full display in the same situation in the Street.

They've rewritten the rules basically so the sport favours grapplers a whole lot more and in turn its effectiveness gets really overrated based on how effective it is in MMA.

and boxing isnt?