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  • dan_cov
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    #131
    Holly Holm won UFC gold
    JDS - Terrible boxer, won UFC gold using virtually nothing but his awful boxing
    Cody Garbrandt another failed boxer who won UFC gold
    Jack Della Maddalena - Utilises nothing but boxing and is destroying guys in the UFC right now
    Conor - Came from an amateur boxing background
    Stipe Miocic - Wrestling credentials, sure but again basically won UFC gold purely with his boxing.
    Petr Yan - Dominated the sport with boxing
    Nick and Nate Diaz - Great jiu-jitsu but fought solely using boxing
    Jorge Masvidal - Had solid success utilising virtually pure boxing.
    Max Holloway - Extremely boxing reliant
    Elena Reid - Terrible boxer went 4-1 and beat Michelle Waterson
    Mia St John - 1-0 in MMA
    Amanda Serrano - Undefeated in MMA and submission grappling
    Marcus Davis - Low level boxer transitioned to MMA and went 23-11
    Chris Lytle​
    Ray Mercer

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    • dan_cov
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      #132
      Shannon Briggs fought in K1
      Frans Botha
      Jarrell Miller

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        #133
        Snipes began training in martial arts when he was 12 years old in 1974. He has a 5th degree black belt in Shotokan karate and a 2nd degree black belt in Hapkido. He has also trained in Capoeira[5] under Mestre Jelon Vieira and in a number of other disciplines including Kung Fu at the USA Shaolin Temple,[27] Brazilian Jiu Jitsu,[5] and kickboxing.[28] During his time in New York, Snipes was trained in fighting by his friend and mentor Brooke Ellis.[29] Snipes is also trained in Kali.[30]

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          #134
          Alex has 100+ fights and never put a single person on the floor via one leg kick.

          Calf and thigh kicks hurt for sure but they're extremely unlikely to end a fight with one kick especially with adrenaline.

          Can anyone show me one bout or Street fight that was ended with just one leg kick?

          They're effective and hurt but typically its more the accumulation of them that take effect, its not a fight ending shot like a punch to the chin or a headkick. Though I'll agree going shin to shin absolutely sucks and is one of the worst feelings

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            #135
            A lot of actors are martial artists first and foremost. Wesley Snipes while maybe not a legit fighter per say is certainly a legitimate martial artist and could almost certainly handle himself.

            Michael Jai White is another

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              #136
              Here is an old Botha fighting a prime Le Banner who was roided to the gills and one of the best K1 fighters in history.

              He ate many leg kicks and even threw a few of his own. He even ate one or two headkicks as well as body kicks.

              Botha was not an elite boxer and he still went toe to toe with many ATG kickboxers during the steroid era and held his own and even bettered a few.
               
              Last edited by dan_cov; 02-24-2025, 03:47 PM.

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                #137
                Botha again vs K1 legend Ray Sefo who bombarded him with leg kicks

                 

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                  #138
                  He also fought a peak Bonjasky who is one of the best leg kickers in history as well as Aerts and Abidi.

                  Aerts actually kicked Botha and the fight was stopped as he hurt/broke his foot/leg

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                    #139
                    Originally posted by dan_cov

                    Can anyone show me one bout or Street fight that was ended with just one leg kick?

                    They're effective and hurt but typically its more the accumulation of them that take effect, its not a fight ending shot like a punch to the chin or a headkick. Though I'll agree going shin to shin absolutely sucks and is one of the worst feelings
                    Personally, I was more thinking calf kicks. You can definitely end a fight with just one of those. And pro kickboxers and MMA fighters train to eat them. Boxers don't. I've seen fights get ended with a kick landed just right on the common peroneal. That is absolutely excruciating and shuts the legs off much like a liver shot is very difficult to just tough out.

                    Check out Tawanchai vs Jamal Yusopov for an example of a leg kick KO. Took 4 total to end the fight, IIRC, and that was vs a pro. Imagine someone without leg conditioning taking just one shot like that...

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                      #140
                      Originally posted by dan_cov
                      Holly Holm won UFC gold
                      JDS - Terrible boxer, won UFC gold using virtually nothing but his awful boxing
                      Cody Garbrandt another failed boxer who won UFC gold
                      Jack Della Maddalena - Utilises nothing but boxing and is destroying guys in the UFC right now
                      Conor - Came from an amateur boxing background
                      Stipe Miocic - Wrestling credentials, sure but again basically won UFC gold purely with his boxing.
                      Petr Yan - Dominated the sport with boxing
                      Nick and Nate Diaz - Great jiu-jitsu but fought solely using boxing
                      Jorge Masvidal - Had solid success utilising virtually pure boxing.
                      Max Holloway - Extremely boxing reliant
                      Elena Reid - Terrible boxer went 4-1 and beat Michelle Waterson
                      Mia St John - 1-0 in MMA
                      Amanda Serrano - Undefeated in MMA and submission grappling
                      Marcus Davis - Low level boxer transitioned to MMA and went 23-11
                      Chris Lytle​
                      Ray Mercer
                      This is laughably false.

                      Not single one of these fighters outside of Ray Mercer used "pure boxing".

                      This argument doesn't wash any more any way. Because Francis Ngannou walked into boxing and arguably beat the #1 boxer in the world.

                      You will never find any example of a boxer doing the equivalent in MMA.
                      Last edited by IronDanHamza; 02-24-2025, 04:25 PM.

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