I had it either 117-111 or 116-112 (for Floyd, needless to say, because I'm not Stevie Wonder). I was just unsure on the first round.
No beef with the 118-110 scores. Scoring it a draw or a win for Cotto is not scoring the fight; it's just being a troll.
Is posting on old threads bad on this forum? Should I have started a new one? Anyway, I guess I'll find out because...
I just rewatched Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales. I'm no flomo (well, maybe a little bit - any boxing fan should at least admire his skill) but hoooly **** Floyd was punch-perfect from the first bell.
Mark this thread and bump it after the fight,Manny has slowed down enough for Juan to finally catch him and himself not be caught,Mannys main advantage"speed" will be gone and with his speed it allowed him to land the punches Jmm did not see coming. Jmm is the much better boxer and it was more apparent in the last fight as Manny lacked the speed to catch Jmm with a punch he did not see.This fight will be a clinic and Jmm may even drop Manny this time via counter.
I so hope this is true. Then the Pacquiao circus will be as good as dead.
Ward's timing nullifies Pavlik's jab easily.
imo the only way any current guys can really land on Ward is by walking through him, but even then Ward is outstanding in the pocket and on the inside.
They could go ahead and set up a ring in Buckingham Palace and let the Queen of England herself ref the fight...Ward still beats Froch.
I would watch that. The Queen has huge boobs. :banana:
I see it being a closer fight, but Ward would raise his game further still. It might be a 116-112 (to Ward) kinda fight. Ward might put Froch down with an early flash knockdown. Froch would punch his way to winning a few rounds.
On single-punch power, I think Groves. His knockout punch of Francisco Sierra was insane. But Froch has a lot of overall upper-body strength and stamina which gave him his success in the pocket in the last couple of rounds last time around - he was just a touch stronger in the exchanges. One might say Froch is more "heavy-handed".
Are we talking just the names on the résumé or the manner of the wins?
I thought Cotto looked good early on against Pacquiao, so I hold that fight as Manny's best. I also think Pacquiao did well against Margarito given the way Margarito kept coming forward and forward and forward. He was punch perfect against Oscar, but given Oscar's manner in the ring maybe we should discount that. And neither Clottey nor Mosley gave anything against Pacquiao, though Clottey still managed to bruise Pacquiao a bit.
Floyd was masterful against both Mosley (who was much better against Floyd than he was against Manny) and Marquez; and he was very good against Hatton, who I thought actually performed like an undefeated fighter in the first six rounds or so. Judah is a good name and still had good footwork in 2006, so I respect that win, especially with how the first three rounds went; and my wife likes Ortiz so... *zip*
It's close. I don't know. Probably Manny by a hair. Floyd will still beat Manny when they fight though - he's a better fighter.
Right now Groves would walk straight through DeGale. DeGale was even hit too easily by that Mohoumadi guy, and if Mohoumadi had been Sierra, DeGale would have been bullied and knocked out.
Groves wouldn't have struggled with Wilczewski either.
Groves wouldn't fight DeGale on the back foot now. He'd take him on, and he has the jab, the range of punches and the power to knock him out.
Canelo would easily stop floyd. If canelo connects floyd like he connected trout, floyd would het ko'd. Trout skated back and even danced from that shot. Floyd would lay flat and it's a fact trout has a better chin than floyd.
what the ****, dude?
Moreno. I'd trust him to adapt his skills to different situations better than Rigondeaux.
When he opens up, Moreno is a delight to watch. Moreno is boxing p0rn.
It's one of the few fights I would pay to see. There are a few at 122. I won't be paying to see Pacquiao-Marquez, of course - I'm not paying to see a fight where the result only depends on who pays the judge best money.
I have no issues with that list other than I'd swap Pacquiao with Ward. Ward hasn't just beaten everybody, he hasn't even just outclassed everyone; he's looked untouchable doing it. Absolutely untouchable. To me, #1 and #2 is a pick between Floyd and Ward, and the order of those depends on how much you decide Floyd's relative inactivity matters. Cotto was very good, in very good shape and got his tactics right against Floyd, but Floyd's defensive work on the inside was just mind-blowing. So those two are clearly ahead of a guy who arguably failed at three attempts to beat Marquez.
I might squeeze Gamboa into the top ten too. I think that guy is fantastic. Again, his inactivity probably keeps him out for now, but I'm sure he'll be a top-10 in the next few years.
I had no complaints. Honestly, when Rios' punches started to flow, I thought Alvarado should have taken a knee (He'd done fine up to then, but he just got caught by a bad one and a little breather would have saw him good.), but it's not easy to think so straight when you're getting punched.
Argh. I'm thinking Cotto's smart punch selection and (deceptively) quick hands should win him this fight but he's 31 and he wasn't great against Mayorga...
I still voted Cotto but I don't know. I wouldn't put money on it.
This, ladies and gents, is known as demagoguery.
Hopefully the Filipino people are smart enough to see through it, though, on the evidence of Pactardism, I doubt it.
Dirrell won that fight I thought.
In the stream in which I watched that fight, the chat was surprisingly very well mannered and the Brits and Americans were cordial throughout the fight.
ANYWAY, I don't think any of us gave it to Froch. I think I gave it to Dirrell by either three or four rounds (and I had three or four even since there was such little action). Froch simply did not land on Dirrell for the first five or six rounds, and Dirrell... well, Dirrell landed about once or twice each round.
I am not in any way suggesting anybody goes back to watch that fight. It was awful and you won't get that time of your life back. :lurk:
Ward came across very well. He's very confident and I can't help but like him. Froch's interrupting was very revealing. Ward was piercingly accurate when he said Froch needs to be in control.
p.s. - Ward might just be claiming to be the son of a God. There are thousands of gods so there's a fair chance he might be telling the truth...
The Pernell Whitaker of about 1990 beats the current Pacquiao by whatever score he wants to. Pacquiao just can't get to a prime Whitaker.
The Pacquiao of 2009 may be able to walk Whitaker down after a lot of rounds, but he'd have to learn the cut off the ring better.
If they're both at 140lb, so it's the Whitaker of the early '90s, Whitaker wins a wide-ish UD. Pacquiao might busy himself enough to win a few rounds.
I've been watching Chisora since he was an amateur. His performance against Helenius was not his best.
Someone like Helenius will always get outpointed by someone who moves and has good technique as long as they can stand up to the bigger man's jabs.
Helenius did nothing to win the fight. He won a few rounds mainly because of his size, but Chisora is the better boxer - it's absolutely as simple as that.
The fight is in the video lounge and probably still on YouTube if you haven't yet seen it. Go see it for yourself. (Whatever the decision, it was a very entertaining fight.) Say what you like about the fight being not quite a robbery, but, for example, the Sauerland commentators had Helenius 5-1 ahead after six rounds. That was absolutely impossible. Not 1% possible; not kinda understandable if you know what Helenius is trying to do or anything like that; just bull****. Chisora walked through most of the first six rounds as if Helenius was nothing.
I wanna see the final detailed scorecards.
May NOW he'll take boxing seriously and get in shape.
When he boxes he throws decent punches. But right now I feel like David Price would either pick out a straight right and finish Fury early, or simply outbox him for a few rounds and finish him somewhere near round 5. Not that Fury's management would ever let him anywhere near David Price... or Richard Towers... lol
Fury dominated EVERY round. That cannot be disputed. And fights in the UK nowadays are usually stopped when someone is taking a lot of shots, regardless of WHO is taking the shots.
Yes, they do stop fights early these days in the UK. BUT, how can Tyson Fury be a 'hypejob' when the majority of British fight fans think he's crap?
This.
I just re-watched it and I only gave it to Marquez by one point. 1, 3, 6, 9 and 12 were Pacquiao's; 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 and 10 were Marquez'; and I couldn't split 11. Where Pacquiao won rounds, he really had to force the issue and, as the Compubox figures suggested, he just out-tagged Marquez, (especially in 6 and 9). When Marquez won rounds, he took Pacquiao to school with timing that Pacquiao could only dream of, and his landed punches were way more clean and effective than Pacquiao's landed punches.