Who has a better resume at welterweight, Floyd or Pacquiao?

Mayweather has the better resume at 147 by a decent margin. Pacquiao has beaten Cotto and Mosley? And Marquez? And Oscar and Clottey. The first two hadn't been impressive in ages, the third name was possibly a loss, Oscar is irrelevant and Clottey a decent win. I don't think that matches well against an earlier Mosley, Ortiz, a much younger Zab and Baldomir. Throw in Hatton and Marquez as well.

"past prime lightweight"..... was it not that "past prime lightweight" floyd cheated on the scales? Is that the same guy Floyd schooled like an amateur , the one that just got robbed for the 2nd time against Pac at the same weight ,,,,, man Floyd will flog Manny its gunna be sweet watching the fakes bubble really get popped .

Pacman HANDS DOWN.. Close thread already..

Pacquiao has the better resume at welterweight.

Is this a joke thread?!?? I talked to a lot of boxing people and they all agree Pac and it's not even close. HOWEVER skill wise Mayweather should get some props for his skillset but as a fighter inside ring and resume nothing.

Dont you see man? Putting JMM in there would completely mess up their agenda. Acknowledging that Pacquiao's toughest fight at welterweight was against a past prime lightweight is just an embarrassing admission lol. And these guys are completely ignoring the fact that Mayweather fought more current champions at welterweight than Pacman did. "past prime lightweight"..... was it not that "past prime lightweight" floyd cheated on the scales?

Lets not forget how the Mosley vs Floyd the duck fight got made, it only got made because Berto cancel his fight with Mosley to go help the hurricane victims in Haiti, so Floyd the duck had no choice but to fight Mosley or be called the greatest ducker of all time, which to me he still is, but it was not Floyd the duck intentions to fight Mosley in the first place. this makes no sense. he had no choice? do u honestly think floyd cares about what ppl say about him? Its actually worse than no sense , because after Floyd beat JMM he said if we cant get Pac we will fight Mosley , then when the negotiation fell through and Manny ducked the testing or Floyd or both to spar Clottey , then , Floyd negotiated the fight with Mosley as soon it was available ,,,, when it comes to who he says he is going to fight Floyd has been pretty straight his whole career , the ODH that fought Floyd would destroy Pac at the same weights that Floyd fought at , not the sucked out rag that was beaten up by Forbes and boiled down some more to fight Pac give me a break ODH was dead man walking against Manny !! Then how does that fool call Floyd a ducker when Manny ducked the very same Mosley that Floyd beat , Manny wanted no part of that Mosley even at the ridicules 142 Shane was begging him for , Pac only took the fight after Shane showed clearly he was shot with Mora and the weight didnt matter at that time ,,,, Manny is a WW fake if you wanna be honest about what he has done at that weight , every WW fight has a Manny clause in it and he picks them at their worst and ducks then at their best , what is a win really a win when you force a handicap on the opponent ,,,, its straight up bullsh!t !!

Lets not forget how the Mosley vs Floyd the duck fight got made, it only got made because Berto cancel his fight with Mosley to go help the hurricane victims in Haiti, so Floyd the duck had no choice but to fight Mosley or be called the greatest ducker of all time, which to me he still is, but it was not Floyd the duck intentions to fight Mosley in the first place. this makes no sense. he had no choice? do u honestly think floyd cares about what ppl say about him?

Lets not forget how the Mosley vs Floyd the duck fight got made, it only got made because Berto cancel his fight with Mosley to go help the hurricane victims in Haiti, so Floyd the duck had no choice but to fight Mosley or be called the greatest ducker of all time, which to me he still is, but it was not Floyd the duck intentions to fight Mosley in the first place.

So you're saying being a one of the hundreds of champs in one weight class in boxing warrants you a shot at Mayweather? If Manny and Mayweather fought, it wouldn't be because they hold titles, it'll be because they are elite fighters who need to fight each other. And as to why Mayweather and Manny would fight? That wouldn't be for titles either. These arguments are (I've used this word a billion times in this thread) subjective. And what Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, and DLH had left in the tank is more than many of the top fighters in the weight classes (weak weight classes being a part of it). And how do you measure how much a fighter still has? One loss? That's a terrible tool of measurement if history has told us anything. Let's take the level of fighter they are fighting, take statistics, style, and other factors into account, match them up, and see how well they perform. Let's not measure them by beating the Cosme Riveras and Cory Spinks in gaining titles of our sport. no let's not do that. this is how you measure. did they win their last fight? if yes they are great elite fighters. if not they are fukking shot to pieces. even if they won their last 2 or 3 fights but lost like 3 fights ago they are still secretly shot. and even if they looked terrible in every fight but their last one they are still prime because they won their last fight! sure it seems like a simpleton way of looking at things but these are the rules of boxing passed down from generation to generation of flomo. learn them well.

i like threads like these. in them u find a few types of posters. posters who know what they are talking about, poster who know what they are talking about but tend to dickride nonetheless, posters who have no damn clue what they are talking about but dickride anyways, posters who just wanna hate, and posters who hate even tho they know what they are talking about. which one are u???

just remember if berto beats ortiz it means nothing because ortiz is coming off a loss and is clearly completely shot. but if ortiz beats berto it's because ortiz took his soul in the first fight and berto is coming off a loss(ignore zaveck of course) boxing is so complicated! it's so hard to tell when someone is shot or not so basically everyone is but roy jones.

Now you're contradicting yourself by ignoring Berto's knockdowns. :lol1: And where did that happen? And Berton Landed a great amount of counter rights and locked a few of the rounds in between. Not really. Now you're turning what I said around to try and make yourself sound like you got the upper hand. I clearly stated the first 9 rounds were life and death, the last rounds were shutout by Ortiz which would give him the clear decision. What's your point again? You're trying to argue a fight you feel was a "clear decision" was also life and death. :lol1: It was a relatively cloe fight for the first half, one in which Ortiz was winning. Not, by any means, a life and death fight. This statement would imply that I clearly thought Ortiz won, which would make your hypothetical situation where Berto would have won completely irrelevant. Why mention it. This statment means literally nothing. Peterson was snapping Ortiz's head back with jabs and landing hard counter rights when Ortiz came in all night. Once Peterson got knocked down, he adjusted and Ortiz got little to nothing off the rest of the night. I would consider that out-boxing when you can keep a guy from landing for 6 rounds. False. He started snapping his head back on a consistent basis from the 6th Round on. Again, hardly a thorough outboxing. And I find it hilarious that you're trying to spew exactly what I've been preaching, as if I didn't know it already hahaha. You typed that up for absolutely no reason... :lol1: :lol1: Yeah..

dude, ur not even making sense anymore, u do realize that rite? Ofcourse, you dont..lol...

So you're saying being a one of the hundreds of champs in one weight class in boxing warrants you a shot at Mayweather? If Manny and Mayweather fought, it wouldn't be because they hold titles, it'll be because they are elite fighters who need to fight each other. And as to why Mayweather and Manny would fight? That wouldn't be for titles either. These arguments are (I've used this word a billion times in this thread) subjective. And what Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, and DLH had left in the tank is more than many of the top fighters in the weight classes (weak weight classes being a part of it). And how do you measure how much a fighter still has? One loss? That's a terrible tool of measurement if history has told us anything. Let's take the level of fighter they are fighting, take statistics, style, and other factors into account, match them up, and see how well they perform. Let's not measure them by beating the Cosme Riveras and Cory Spinks in gaining titles of our sport. You answered a question with a question. What should these guys have done to get a fight with Mayweather since they were not "credible opponents?" One loss does not indicate you are done but if you are having a pattern of underwhelming performances most likely your are in fact done. Mosley lost a one sided bout to Mayweather then fought to a draw against C+ fighter in Sergio Mora, that is a n example of a fighter who is most likely done.

Well it's been fun. I'm currently on leave in the military and decided I'd visit the old forums and debate a little. Take care Boxingscene.

LOL so what do you have to do to become a "credible opponent" for Mayweather? If beating a champion or becoming the lineal champ is not enough what should these guys have done? The only guy that Manny has fought who has won a significant fight in recent years is Marquez and we all saw what happened when Manny fought him in November. In the words of Max Kellerman : "Manny hasn't fought a great fighter who still had it since the last time he fought Marquez and it is obvious that the great Juan Manuel Marquez still has it" So you're saying being a one of the hundreds of champs in one weight class in boxing warrants you a shot at Mayweather? If Manny and Mayweather fought, it wouldn't be because they hold titles, it'll be because they are elite fighters who need to fight each other. And as to why Mayweather and Manny would fight? That wouldn't be for titles either. These arguments are (I've used this word a billion times in this thread) subjective. And what Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, and DLH had left in the tank is more than many of the top fighters in the weight classes (weak weight classes being a part of it). And how do you measure how much a fighter still has? One loss? That's a terrible tool of measurement if history has told us anything. Let's take the level of fighter they are fighting, take statistics, style, and other factors into account, match them up, and see how well they perform. Let's not measure them by beating the Cosme Riveras and Cory Spinks in gaining titles of our sport.

Cotto > all Floyd wins at welterweight and you know Pac destroyed Cotto. Cotto > bum Mitchell Cotto tko Judah > Floyd UD Cotto > journeyman Baldomir Cotto > shot past prime Oscar Cotto > light welterweight Hatton Cotto > Floyd weight cheated lightweight Marquez Cotto UD the younger Mosley > Floyd almost got koed by 38 year old Mosley Cotto > Floyd won by sucker punching Ortiz After the Pac fight, Cotto won his next 3 fights and got another belt in higher division. I don't know why Floyd fans sh!tting on Pacquiaos welterweight resume while their idol Floyd is so much worst. smh at this sh1t....

More importantly than who is when...When Floyd fought Mosley, Mosley was considered a top WW...When Pac fought Mosley, Shane wasn't considered a top WW. Marg was not considered a top WW when Pac fought him...And, even then that fight wasn't even at WW. The Clottey level win is just as good as the Judah level win...Clottey was just as unproven as them. Again more importantly than who is when. considerations are a fine point to start at but look at the actual fights. mosley was crap in both so just because he was considered good when may fought him doesn't mean he was actually good in reality. clottey unproven? he dominated judah and had debatable losses to the top 2 welterweights maragrito and cotto. he proved he was one of the best welters. he could have been undefeated going into the pac figth if he wasn't the constant b-side. judah was 1-1 vs spinks and lost to a journeyman baldomir. i don't see them on the same level at all.

Are we talking about WW resumes? Now what is considered a WW fight? The Floyd-JMM fight was at WW end of. The Pac-Margarito fight was at JMW/SWW for a bogus JMW/SWW title end of. Here's what I'm trying to get at. If you take a look at both of their WW resumes, you can see, although contracted for 147 (majority), their weights are all over the place. Coming in as low as 142 for a WW fight. Get what I'm saying man? No reason to freak out that I mentioned a 150 fight (if we rounded of, it was closer to 147 than 154 if we want to get technical hahaha). Floyd-JMM was contracted as a catch-weight fight at 144, and not 147, making it marked and titled as a catchweight fight rather than WW. Pac-Margarito was contracted for 150 as a catchweight fight (although the sanctioning bodies played buddy-buddy with the promoters to work their magic to put a 154 lb belt on the line, but don't let that fool you). That's only 3 lbs over 147, and I consider that more of a WW fight than JMW fight (if labeling it as catchweight was off limits). Ya feel me nikka? It really wasn't a 'life and death struggle' at any point. Ortiz controlled most rounds. And there was barely a single round in which Berto clearly won the round. And as you said, from Round 9 on, Ortiz controlled. Had Berto got that decision it would have been a complete robbery. Hense, why it wasn't life and death, at all. It's a stupid one. He wan't 'thoroughly outboxed' at all. What rounds did he thoroghly outbox him in? He outboxed him and won rounds Rounds 6-9 clearly. That's 4 rounds. That's not a thorough outboxing. Pacquaio-Marquez 1 was a razor close fight. That is something that it is pretty much impossible to argue. Yes, it is. This is Boxing, the sport of punching your opponent and trying to knock them out. Saying 'Well fighter A would have beaten fighter B if it weren't for the knockdowns' is completely irrelevant. Like I said, it's as relevant as saying 'Fighter A would have beaten fighter B if he didn't knock him out cold' That's what they're supposed to do. If you get dropped, you lose a point. That's how it works, an that's their fault. Even attempting to disregard them as just flat out stupid. Now you're contradicting yourself by ignoring Berto's knockdowns. And Berton Landed a great amount of counter rights and locked a few of the rounds in between. Now you're turning what I said around to try and make yourself sound like you got the upper hand. I clearly stated the first 9 rounds were life and death, the last rounds were shutout by Ortiz which would give him the clear decision. This statement would imply that I clearly thought Ortiz won, which would make your hypothetical situation where Berto would have won completely irrelevant. Why mention it. Peterson was snapping Ortiz's head back with jabs and landing hard counter rights when Ortiz came in all night. Once Peterson got knocked down, he adjusted and Ortiz got little to nothing off the rest of the night. I would consider that out-boxing when you can keep a guy from landing for 6 rounds. Peterson-Ortiz was razor close as well. Only difference was it being 10 rounds and not 12. And I find it hilarious that you're trying to spew exactly what I've been preaching, as if I didn't know it already hahaha. You typed that up for absolutely no reason...