this was a robbery. I started to rewatch it. It is definitely a robbery of epic proportions.
People confuse the fact that Manny looked older and slower, and got hit by shots he should not get hit by, and had a tougher time than he should have, with Manny actually losing the fight.
Fighting below expectations has nothing to do with losing a fight.
For example. Go watch the second round. Pacquiao clearly won that round. It is very clear. More head shots more body shots, harder, more accurate and better.
But the announcers are excited, as I am sure everyone there was, that Horn is in there and coming forward. But he is getting tagged.
There was no clear victor in this fight. Neither fighter won this fight clearly. Charlo ran about even with a 35 year old Matvey Korobov who had to lose two extra pounds on one weeks notice because the fight he had contracted for two pounds more, and he had not fought a significant opponent in a number of years.
Going in I saw this as a potential upset, in fairness to Charlo, what happened speaks to how talented Korobov actually is more so than Charlo's lack of talent. This is a guy Korobov who beat Jose Uzcategui, one of the top guys at 168 right now, and who stopped Danny Jacobs in the amateurs, and also defeated Sergiy Derevyanchenko in the amateurs. And Charlo also only had one week to prepare for this very under rated fighter.
Because of perception of Korobov being some sort of joke because he got stopped by Andy Lee in a fight he was winning, Korobov's stock rose dramatically with this fight and Charlo's has fallen. I am very interested to see who they put Korobov in there with next. Nobody came out with a clear victory here, you can't say with clear conviction, watching that fight, that Charlo is a better fighter than a 35 year old Korobov.
OK i wasn't scoring it, but it appeared to me that Bradley deserved a wide decision, although i admit i wasn't watching it with an analytical eye, just as entertainment, and sometimes I'm surpised when I look back. But it seemed quite obvious to me, I will be shocked if I go back and change my mind.
Yes Marquez tagged him quite good on here and there, but it just appeared to me that Bradley won about nine rounds - but I can't say with total conviction until I rewatch closer.
I thought Pac was robbed blind vs Bradley, when I rewatched I saw what the other side was saying - meaning they thought Bradley won, I saw their arguments, but for the most part I still felt the same way.
But this didn't feel like a robbery in the least, actually if they gave it to Marquez it would have felt like a robbery because it did not appear to be a close fight to me.
this is all just wild speculation on my part I have no inside sources....I believe Haymon to be highly intelligent, ruthless, a great business mind and more than all of these, extremely ambitious....
Hopefully this leads to Al / Mayweather / Schaefer along with Arum / HBO and Golden Boy and Showtime / Espinoza all working together along with NBC and ESPN. Hopefully we get tons of interesting fights out of this and the sport of boxing grows because of it. However I see Haymon as the type of man unwilling to settle for that. I see him as the type of man that wants to entirely control boxing, top to bottom.
Oscar can find another Schaefer and probably has fifty guys that can take a place and do just as good a job. I am unimpressed by Schaefer. Haymon, I don't think, is going to hide behind Mayweather promotions. I think he will control Mayweather promotions and Floyd, and use it to make SOME shows, to appease Floyd and keep him on his side, while Floyd remains the biggest player in boxing for the next few years. Haymon will have his own separate company with his name, that he runs. Schaefer will be the mouthpiece.
I think Haymon will force his way onto BOTH Showtime AND HBO at the same time, attempting to take out what is left of GBP AND Bob Arum all at once. He will keep buying up fighters and controlling dates on Showtime, HBO, NBC and ESPN.
Bob and Oscar will start working together, but even pooling their resources it may not stop the avalanche.
I speculate further that Schaefer will be let go and rudely dismissed by Haymon in three years or so after Haymon seizes control of everything. That he can distance himself from all the nastiness that Schaefer has spewed forth and clean up the company image.
What he needs is marketing. Just like with....other fighters....the fans can be made to believe that what they are watching IS exciting, even if its really only the opponent that is bringing the excitement. He needs to learn English as fast as possible and start talking crazy **** daily. Take a step back. Fight four time a year, on ESPN. Beat everyone and don't change a damn thing. Get interviewed daily talking **** about how you are the greatest god damn boxer in the universe and of all time.
Give it a few years, a dozen more shut outs, the legend will grow. Here comes Tough Guy Eddie, can Tough Guy Eddie do anything to Riggo? Here comes Balamalaka Lugopoy, what about El Beasto from the Easto whatever, just shut them all out.
Everyone will ****ing HATE you. But they will tune in. He needs to rub it in their face about how magnificent he is, constantly. Instead he has old man Bob **** talking HIM for being boring. A good promoter would spin this and say, OFCOURSE its boring because ain't nobody here to challenge Rigo! Nobody can win even one round he is THE GREATEST.
I was rooting for Donaire. I'm far from a Rigo superfan, however, I strongly dislike a legit guy being forced off the networks because boxing has become so dumbed down that we need constant KO's and hard bloody wars otherwise we fall asleep.
This guy is so ****ing good nobody can win a round off him, hardly. That is the angle. Remember, he has only had a few fights at this point, even now, ratings can grow, a lot of people don't know HOW to enjoy this guy yet and Arum and Kellerman don't have the abilities to help them.
floyd does not want to fight. at 55% with a copromotion and the biggest fight in the history of the world and manny willing to take the lesser money and floyd dont want it. it is the biggest fight in the HISTORY of boxing and floyd does not want the fight. manny will take the tests but now the goal posts are moved again. manny will take the smaller share but goal posts move again. floyd just does not want to fight. all of it, the purse share, the testing were obvious smoke screens. floyd beat marquez (big asterisk there with the last minute weight fiasco, plus its a pre roided marquez) and manny struggles what is he talking about? its something that is irrelevant. so you will fight kahn instead? its clear from the way floyd and schaefer talk they do not want the fight. they are hostile and arrogant and finger pointing and dismissive. floyd does not want to fight manny.
There are punchers then there are punchers. Maskaev may well have a decent punch but Peter can take your head off. When you add to it Maskaev's questionable chin (KO in one by McCall) and Peters apparent good chin (did sad Wlad even wobble Peter?) seems to me to make for a blow-out Peter win.
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yes Wlad wobbled Peter nothing sad about it
I bet Maskaev at +450, he could get blown out but I think he wins it if it goes past the third round
Sultan came in at a career high 231 up 11 pounds from his last fight and Austin came in at 245 which is 10 pounds less than his last fight. I read somebody said Sultan looks chubby in the face.
Floyd forever. Stand by your man, ladies.
If Maidana agreed to take an extra 850,000 to lose, power to Floyd, Maidana agreed :lame:
If Maidana came in with twenty five pound weights attached to each shoe, hey he took dat money, power to Floyd he be undebeateable das my man money
ooh ooh ooh he da best
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I realize this is the net and I could have it all wrong but the facts are as described above from what I am seeing.
Mares is a negative fighter. Bad for boxing. We all saw his negative fighting vs Moreno and Darchinyan and others. He hardly gives a ****. Jim Grey brings it up and he says "Don't ruin my moment" rather than address his fouling. What happened to rematching Gonzalez? Yeah, I didn't think so. You don't want a guy like this on top. It feeds the bull****.
It will be interesting where Mares goes from here. I don't think they are going to want anybody too dangerous for awhile. I think they will move laterally with him and take out fringe contenders until they can find an open belt with a vulnerable opponent. And that isn't Lomachenko, nor Walters, nor Gradovich nor Gonzalez, at least as far as Mares is concerned.
Keith Thurman would destroy Broner. He would never duck him. He would take that fight if it was offered I would think. Broner is on the Haymon Garcia plan, Salka for Garcia, Molina...the other smaller unheralded Molina for Broner, then a very tough fight for him with.....Emmanuel Taylor.
Come on now, Broner isn't ready for someone on Thurman's level. Too big too strong with skills to go with it. They are going to have to cradle Broner. He could barely get past Malignaggi and arguably didn't.
140 has too many dangerous guys for Broner, as well, guys he will lose to. And I dont just mean the top three or four guys.
They are not going to want to risk another funky night for Broner. They will move carefully and try to stretch his career out. He has reached his ceiling....its Emmanuel Taylor.
Victor Ortiz would be a great fight for Broner, but, its too risky. If I am Haymon I try to get Ricky Burns to the table. Broner should be able to look good there. Then go after the biggest name / lowest risk from 135 and ride the fudge train until the cash out fight.
sad but its the Haymon era
well if Bundu wins or Keith gets injured or looks less than spectacular winning, this could turn out to be a painfully horrific mistake.
On the other hand, if Bundy knocks him out cold, and he had taken the deal beforehand, he would still be set for life with that 6 million.
The only downside of taking the deal is if he would make more money over those next three fights. Which is quite possible. But they could have easily accounted for that, and would likely have been happy to do so, within the text of the deal.
For example, lets say he knocks Bundu out spectacularly. Then they put him in there with two more well known guys at 40 / 47 and he does the same. Event fights with dramatic KO endings. Then by the the end of 2015 for that third fight he gets in with whatever other fighter is still standing and winning and his popularity is swelling. Well they could look at his numbers and say if he hits XX number in the ratings etc, he gets more for the next fight, or what have you.
My point being there is no true downside of this deal, because if the guy blows up they could make it so they financially accommodate him accordingly.
Oh wait, for Haymon there is a downside. Be a good boy Keith and tell the press you didn't want that man's money. Now go back in the doghouse with all the others and wait until I throw you a bone.....
I think Thurman knocks him out The Bundu fight has everyone hypnotized. Boxing fans have the memory of a fly. Bundu is awkward, there is a reason he was undefeated. Maidana is awkward too, and far better, and Keith will be retreating part of the time but I think the fight changes dramatically when Thurman lands. One of two things happen, either Maidana backs off and Thurman ends up winning a decision or he goes for broke, in which case, although he may catch his man and overwhelm Thurman, I believe Thurman will know how to handle it, to a degree at least, and end up hurting Maidana and finishing him with a big shot.
This would be a good fight. Maidana could eat him for breakfast but may end up eating some fists. Make it happen.
If I were to win a million dollars by choosing the correct answer as to Marquez being on roids that night, I would choose that he was. I do not know it for a fact, but he was working with Memo and he had the roid acne and the sudden insane body.
I suppose it is a subjective thing. You can choose to believe what you want. Marquez is an amazing fighter but roids are an unfair advantage.
so does it take away from the victory? Well most people aren't going to do what Marquez did roids or no roids. But yes, it takes away from it significantly if he was on roids. But we have no way of knowing definitively.
Every fight needs VADA testing. That is the moral of the story.