Good call. Ignore the knowlegeless troglodytes who worship Ali because the media tells them they have to. They are consumers and can't think for themselves.
Ali's style would work against him and his frustration ould turn into misery by round 4, and Toney would put an end to that misery in round 5.
Genius! :wtf1:
Ignore every pundit, expert, trainer, commentator and boxing fan IN HISTORY and just believe your own total and utter nonsense.
:dunno:
The saddest thing about this topic is thats it's got so many replies (including mine!) when all it deserves is one word.
Bollocks.
"If I take this camera and put it in your face for 20 years, I don't know what you might be. You might be a homosexual if I put that camera on you since you were 13 years old. I've been on that camera since I was 13 years old."
To be fair.. he makes a lot of sense sometimes too.. After reading a bit more it makes me feel a bit sorry for him some of the things in this post...
Not 200 Million dollars sorry for him though...
Race Walking
Distance Running
Cycling
Nordic Ski racing (cross country skiing)
Race Walking! Who the hell care's (or knows anything about!) race walking!
It should be banned as a sport on the basis of how fucking ridiculous they look with that hip gyration nonsense!
Race Walking! LOL!! :D
LOL! What's wrong with those two idiots?! They could've just get on their bikes and follow the main pack (it's only a few meters away!).
too busy trying to scratch each others eyes out...
Absolutely pathetic display! Funny as all hell though!
Originally from Bristol, England... home of um.. jeez... um... fuckin nobody.. Cary Grant!! John Cabot (18th century explorer!) and um.. jeez, literally no world famous sportsmen (or women!)
Still a proud Bristolian though!
Massive Attack, Tricky & Portishead are all 'local'
Currently living in Dubai, UAE... home of um.. ridiculous oil money, beautiful arab eyes and secret police!!
Tyson was. He didnt get KOd
in humiliating fashion like
Jones. He didnt go out like
a chump like Jones did.
You are kidding right?
Danny Williams? Kevin Fuckin McBride! How is losing to these two not going out like a chump!
RJJ had more 'talent' by a long way.. Tyson was a terror but the question was about talent not about intimidation or knockout power!
Herbie had good hand speed for a Heavyweight, I watched him in his first ever amateur tournament (ABA's in I think it was 89) and for someone who had never competed before his hand speed and confidence impressed me, but he controversially lost to Henry Akinwande in the final and then turned pro straight after. Yeah, not a bad fighter Herbie in the 90's.
Whatever his hand speed he's got shit for brains.. Told this story in another post, but I met him with a mate who had a Public Enemy T-Shirt on, to which Herbie questions if it says 'Reebok'?! Me and my mate both just had this kind of shocked expression on our faces and replied negative. Followed by an embrarresed silence.
It's not even the right amount of letters for godsake!
Pyror shouldnt be on the list. He didn't throw fast punch, just a bunch of them. Still an excellent fighter
These guys for sure should be on the list.
M. Taylor
Mosley
Leonard
Patterson
RJJ
Does Naz Hamed get a shout? If Mosley is in the list then why not?
Have met Herbie Hyde (thick as shit!), Frank Bruno (thick as shit but hellavu nice guy!), Gary Mason (you guessed it.. thick as..) and most recently the great Sugar Ray Leonard (definately not thick as shit but a little spaced out!). Great honour to shake his hand though!
I think the point that's being made though is that people never used to quit... It should be up to the corner to throw in the towel if they think there fighter is getting hurt..
I agree that it's not a nice trend in boxing lately..
I don't want anyone to get hurt and your right that they have families etc. but they should fight until they get stopped or until the corner/ref stops it...
In Tyson's case I think he did the right thing, he knew he wasn't going to win at that point and didn't want to get pumbled by Mcbride
How would you feel if this applied to other sports as well then? What about if one team is winning the Superbowl by a huge margin but then the other team just walks off because they know they can't win?!
You gotta play till the end.. That's the rules.. Anyone who does otherwise ain't got heart.. This applies to Zoo as well, if he was that badly hurt then let the corner stop it... Thats there job...
This is straight from the horses mouth and no complaints about the ref or the judges!
"I have nothing to be ashamed of - I lost to the better fighter"
Kostya Tszyu
Vitali, Toney and his manager see only two problems before this fight will take place: financial and recognition of James’ greatness.
What does this mean? Recognition of Toney's 'Greatness'?
Recognition by who? For what? How? Why?!
I dont get it, doee he want VK to say he's great?!
Does anyone remember the fight in the UK probably 6-7 years ago when they started throwing chairs in the ring? Might have been longer than that!
Fuckin' Hooligans those Brits! :D
Would a review panel be a possiblity to overrule obvious wrong decisions... Or is that a slippery slope leading to court cases etc?
Has this been considered before?
no, ruiz is not the man to beat, nor is byrd. but they were mandatories and they were contenders, and if lewis was as good as u say he was, he could have knocked them into next year, proved he was the best, and KEEP HIS TITLES.
Lewis was 36 years old at the time and a multi, multi millionaire!
What would you suggest, that people just keep fighting until the get beat by someone younger, more able to recover and hungrier for success. Why?
IF Lewis had defended against Ruiz/Bryd there would have been another bunch of 'contenders' after them... Should he have fought them too or would the 3 times undisputed heavyweight shampeen of the world still be fraud if he didn't?
Crazy talk!
he was stripped of the title for avoiding a fight with lennox lewis. alright, but did he drop a title, too? did he retire in the wake of an ass-whooping, like lewis did?
I don't remember Lewis getting stopped for having a bad cut! How do you define an 'ass whooping' mate?! Klitchko might have been giving Lewis trouble and winning on the cards but it wasn't an unfair stoppage as he made out at the time (jumping around the ring and playing to the crowd like a monkey!). It was a bad cut and if you cut a guy bad enough that's a good way to beat him no?!
and REAL heavyweight champions dont run away.
So what do they do then? As per my previous post... Holyfield didn't retire and got fucked up, Frazier didn't retire and got a fucked up and Ali.... :(
Anyway, I'm fighting a losing battle here I'm sure... Lennox will NEVER get the respect he deserves in America (am generalising as I'm aware there are plenty of Americans on here who will say otherwise)..
lennox lewis is the biggest fight-dodger i have ever known. after his 2nd fight with holyfield, he fought michael grant. the WBA stripped him of his title for failing to defend against mandatory challenger john ruiz. after his fight with mike tyson, he DROPS his IBF title to avoid fighting chris byrd. and after his fight with vitali klitschko, he retires rather than give vitali a rematch (like lewis said he would).
Your dead wrong I'm afraid Evil one! Lewis had nothing left to prove.. He was 36 years old, 3 times world champion and the first person to unify the belts in a long, long time!
Quite simply the best heavyweight of his era IMO.
It's not about ducking opponents it's more about 'what is left to prove' and 'do I need the money'
He had the best jab in the business after Manny got to him so what's the point of Ruiz even getting in the ring? Lennox would have kept him precisely 82 inches away for the whole fight!
dodging a fighter might be a smart decision. dodging two or three in lewis' case is pure cowardice. if they're such no-names, then y doesnt he fight them to make sure that they will never become never-will-bes?
Why wouldn't he retire when he was on top and undefeated? How many great fighters go on for those couple of extra fights too many and end up tarnishing there reputation and getting hurt!
Holyfield did it... Sugar Ray Leonard did it... Duran did it.. Joe Frazier did it... and if you want the best and saddest example.. Mohammed Ali mate...
I'm sure Danny Williams wouldn't take the fight unless it was a major purse anyway so I think the discussions are a moot point...
Danny Williams can retire saying he knocked out Mike Tyson!
Danny Williams?!! :eek:
I'm sure that no matter what he says, he knows he got away with it last time out and would get demolished if Tyson is on form.
No matter if Tyson is washed up/fucked up or whatever... He hits fucking hard and that hook can still take your head off (providing its' in the first 2 rounds when Tyson can still throw!)
Tyson is a very confused man politically. He has tatoes of Che Guevera the communist leader from Cuba and he used to have a tatoo of Mao Tztung. However he is muslim? Very strange. Tyson even named all his kids muslim names like Amir but he does not appear to live a very Islamic lifestyle. What a psychopath
Ah but he does have Maori tattoos on his face so...um..yeah.. what a fucking psychopath.. :D
It really depends with me.. I generally show more interest in British fighters and want them to do well.. Lennox was my fuckin' hero!
But if someone's got class I couldn't care less where they come from... um.. unless there fighting a british fighter.. oh.. :rolleyes:
PS. Agree with you Boxstarr.. Audley Harrison needs to DO SOMETHING! And Naz was an amazing talent and exciting to watch just a shame he was/is such an arrogant little shit!
At 35 I don't think Tszyu will want it and I'm sure Hatton won't... He should be aiming at Mayweather etc. so it's not in his interest to go through another war with a big hitter like Tszyu..
i havent had an actual 100% pure pole since my great-grandfather.
Am I the only one who sees something a bit dodgy in this statement?!
*just kidding mate!* :D :D
Just scorecards... Or maybe if the Ref stopping the fight too...
Re Lewis V Holyfield 1, two of the judges must have been simply looking at something else for most of the fight...
Or they were pissed up?! (That means 'drunk' to the non-brits out there!)
earning the Brit his 18th successive professional victory.
He's had 18 fights? Really? Why is the guy not even on anyones radar then?
How many is normal before a top 10 contender fight?
DM? You're fucking gay man. You're just a Jones hater, admit it. Even bringing up DM just shows you're a Euro faggot.
So your homophobic and a racist! Way to go!
People are allowed an opinion converse to yours with out getting called names mate... And by the way the opinion stated is a pretty common one THROUGHOUT boxing so I don't think people say it just because they hate Jones... Even if they do...
Grow the fuck up!
And by the way.. Looking at your Avatar I would say people in glass houses....!!!