Roy Jones, Kostya Tszyu, Ricky Hatton

I was just wondering why do people hate guys like Jones so much and love guys like Tszyu? When Jones lost all the media and alot of fans said that he was overrated and he finally fought someone who could beat him. When Tszyu loses now they say that he may have got old over night or looked flat. Huh? The reality is that Tszyu looked 10x better off then Jones did. Jones looked old and washed up. He looked that way even in the first Tarver fight. I didnt see any difference from this Tszyu and his other fights. The difference is he fought a guy who was better. Tszyu KO Mitchell and Judah early(both slick southpaws) but against his last 3 right handers he didnt look special at all. He went the distance with Urkal and almost lost and never hurt him at all. He went the distance with Tackie and never hurt him, and alot of people had him losing to Leija at the time of the stoppage. Then you add to that Hatton was the first guy since Vince who brought the fight straight to Tszyu. Leija and Tackie somewhat did but they didnt have the speed Hatton does. Hatton would beat Tszyu every time and he wasnt flat at all. I bet that same Tszyu wouldve KO Mitchell again or Hatton wouldve beat the Tszyu that fought Mitchell. He wasnt any different or flat. Hatton was just a different fighter and style. 100% correcto mungo.

I wasn't just aiming at you, I was aiming at everyone in general..

Ali was humble when it mattered? Stfu, man, seriously.. How the hell was the man humble when he went and bad talked Joe Frazier, the man who helped him when he was out of the ring? I could be wrong, but I never heard Roy Jones talking any shit about Lou Devalle before their fight, and they were friends.. I don't think Floyd Mayweather would talk shit about Zab Judah if they were to fight and their friends. Like or not, Ali was classless and arrogant back than. If you're going to go and say you don't like how these guys act, you're a hypocrite to go and defend the shit Ali did back in the day. Stfu...I win. When it matters is in life mate not in Boxing.. It's a fucking sport! I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY ROY JONES OR WHOEVER ACTS! I just said it ain't right to root for the bad guy just for the sake of it when the other guy might have had just as many tough breaks but acts with dignity! Yeah, you win... a prize for not actually reading peoples posts before insulting them... Jeez!

Yeah, Tyson really raped that cunt at all. So did that white boyfriend of hers before Tyson. Cause rape victims brag about getting raped the next night to their girlfriends. And rape victims go up to the World Champion's bedroom at 2 am to look at a stamp collection, not to fuck. And rape victims go into a bathroom with a phone in it, lock the door, willingly remove their panties, then go back out into the room with the champ...to look at stamps, of course. Your mother must be so proud you foul mouthed little prick! What about the fact that Tyson did piss away 200 million and did bite someones ear off?! If you actually read my post, I didn't say a bad word about Ray Jones (although I think Toney is a prick!), I just said I don't think it's right to root for the 'bad guy' just for the sake of it! And you dumb fucker, clearly you don't know shit about boxing. What'd you do? Catch the Castillo vs. Corrales on a Free Showtime weekend or something, decide you'd pretend to like boxing for a couple weeks? Not upset cos I called you out about calling people a faggot are we?! You ignorant, homophobic, biggoted, um.. little prick! I don't have to defend my love of boxing to kids like you just for having an opinion.. even if it's not the same as yours.. IT'S A FORUM MATE! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! Muhammad Ali wasn't this beloved Teddy bear that you make him out to be. Not when that shit was going on live. White racist cocksuckers like you tried to force him into a war he objected to fighting. He didn't do like George W. or Bill Clinton and dodge the draft. No, he took the tests and failed (probably on purpose but whatever). So they lowered their standards to match his EXACT scores, proving without a shadow of a doubt that they just wanted to send him to Vietnam to be killed. How do you know if I'm white your racist pig! I never said Ali was a Teddy Bear or anything of the sort. What I said was that when it came to boxing he was arrogant as anything, I didn't like what he did to Joe Frazier anymore than the next guy but it was part of the game but when it came to life outside of boxing he stood up for what he believed in and lived with respect and humility towards his fellow man! Why do you think he transcended boxing the way he did! If you'd stop being such a fucking bully and laying into anyone on here you've got a problem with you'd understand that I actually agree with what you said below! How old are you? If your 15 years old then your forgiven cos you don't know any better but if your not then you should be fucking ashamed of yourself! Ali said fuck that, fuck your war, I'm not for it. He didn't run. He was a rich man, he could've gone overseas and fought anywhere in the world. No, he stood his time while White America fucking hated him, called him names like "draft dodging nig" when he didn't even run. They took away his job, his way to earn a living. They humiliated him. That's how beloved Muhammad Ali was back then. No, over time he has become loved. There are many reasons. One is because of all the bullshit he went through with the Vietnam shit. Another is because he has Parkinson's Disease. Now, his legacy is remembered as great, but back then...he was just the World champ, which was good but not yet legendary. Tell that to 50 million africans you fucking idiot! The man was a legend in his own time! But of course I'm a white racist pig who tried to force him into my war right?! I'm not even American your fucking twat and FYI my ex wife was black from West Africa and my current wife is an Arab from Lebanon! It's the same story as my previous reply to you.. People in Glass house's shouldn't throw stones! Don't go calling people a faggot with the avatar you so proudly display (Village People anyone!) and don't go calling people a racist just because that is so clearly what you are yourself! No, Toney isn't going to be the next Ali, neither is Floyd Mayweather. For one, they don't have the mainstream exposure Ali had. Another, they're not heavyweights. Toney is now, but he's only able to exist as a legit heavyweight because of the shitty state. At least that's the public's perception. They're not fighting in Africa in a match that goes beyond just the fight in the ring. That isn't to say that one day Mayweather and Toney could and probably both will go down as legendary fighters. It might be twenty, thirty years before they start getting that sort of status. Who cares what you think you racist, immature little wanker!

tarver looks like a big 6 foot penis This observation is worthy to be presented at the Gugenheim museum in NY.

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Ali was humble when it mattered? Stfu, man, seriously.. How the hell was the man humble when he went and bad talked Joe Frazier, the man who helped him when he was out of the ring? I could be wrong, but I never heard Roy Jones talking any shit about Lou Devalle before their fight, and they were friends.. I don't think Floyd Mayweather would talk shit about Zab Judah if they were to fight and their friends. Like or not, Ali was classless and arrogant back than. If you're going to go and say you don't like how these guys act, you're a hypocrite to go and defend the shit Ali did back in the day. Stfu...I win. :(

tarver looks like a big 6 foot penis I agree...

Some of my friends have personally met Roy, and they have told me he is really a down to earth, cool guy. And also like superlightweight said, Mayweather and Toney talks much more trash than Roy. tarver looks like a big 6 foot penis

Ro lol...right. Jones is no where in their leagues when it comes to trash-talking and you cannot document it either, because I have been following all three of those fighters' words and those guys easily talk more shit than Jones. Jones talks good about himself without talking shit about others almost always. Also, Jones is not an arrogant man. You know a man on TV and through the media, you don't KNOW the man. Many here in Pensacola do. Roy will sit down and have a convo with Joe Blow and listen to anyone about anything. He is not a blowhard in real life, whatever you think real life is. Agreed...until you meet Roy you can't grasp how the man really is. I've worked in college and professional sports for several years and I've never met a professional athlete as gracious and catering to his fans as Roy Jones, Jr. I was really stunned to see how the man interacts with his fans. He does a lot for the community on the Gulf Coast as well.

Some of my friends have personally met Roy, and they have told me he is really a down to earth, cool guy. And also like superlightweight said, Mayweather and Toney talks much more trash than Roy.

lol Roy Jones has non respect for his opponents, talks as much trash as Mayweather and Toney together and has a huge ego, he thinks he's above everyone else. When he was beaten he kept making excuses. lol...right. Jones is no where in their leagues when it comes to trash-talking and you cannot document it either, because I have been following all three of those fighters' words and those guys easily talk more shit than Jones. Jones talks good about himself without talking shit about others almost always. Also, Jones is not an arrogant man. You know a man on TV and through the media, you don't KNOW the man. Many here in Pensacola do. Roy will sit down and have a convo with Joe Blow and listen to anyone about anything. He is not a blowhard in real life, whatever you think real life is.

Ali was humble when it mattered.. in life... And a cocky bastard when it mattered... in the ring! How can you mention Mayweather & James Toney in the same sentence as Mohammed Ali?! Your saying Ali was ignorant and couldn't give a fuck about anyone? Nothing could be further from the truth! What I took from your post about supporting the 'bad guy' is that you'd prefer someone like Tyson to win despite him pissing away 200 million dollars, raping some girl and biting peoples ears off! :eek:

Skill does count for something too my friend. Roy Jones, James Toney, and Floyd Mayweather have also almost always been greatly more skilled than their opponents as well. As Jack the Ripper said, you didn't like Ali?

By your reasoning then YoungTurk you'd rather see some asshole who shoots his mouth off, has no respect, is arrogant, ignorant and couldn't give a fuck about anyone get the rewards of winning over someone who is humble, has respect and actually deserves it! Just so that you can get your kicks?! Each to their own but it doesn't make any sense to me mate! :confused:

I love Jones, Mayweather, and Toney. I think people just get mad because they hate these fighters so much that they get mad that others love them. I love hearing James Toney run his mouth personally. He is a one man riot. Clubber Lang, Thunderlips, and Apollo Creed were some of the best characters in Rocky because they were painted as villains, though Creed was always a fairly complex character. I love the "bad guy." Usually, that is who I root for. That is why horror has a cult following. People don't care about the kids in the Freddy movies or Jason movies. They want to see Freddy and Jason wipe the floor with these annoying kids that look a lot like the people that used to bother us in high school. Sometimes, just sometimes, it feels really good seeing Barbie and Ken get their just deserts. Don't you want to see the good guys lose sometimes? I do...almost all the time.

Thats fucking bullshit! The reason why people like Tsyzu is because he's respectful, non trash talking and self confindent. He admits he was beaten the better man on the night. Roy Jones has non respect for his opponents, talks as much trash as Mayweather and Toney together and has a huge ego, he thinks he's above everyone else. When he was beaten he kept making excuses. I dont know why people get hung up on the skin colour issue, people hate fighters like Jones, Mayweather and Toney because they are assholes(even though i think they are funny), not because they are black. Question - who doesnt like Big George Foreman?? He's self confident but doesnt have a massive ego, same with Evander Holyfield. So I guess you despised Ali, also..

Is Tarver really your father? I hope not, for what I will say might anger you, but it is not meant to do so. Antonio Tarver looks like one of those menstral actors: http://www.cine-files.com/cinemaniacs/images/bambooz.jpg http://kennedyletter.com/images/boxing/Antonio_Tarver.jpg I wonder if people have said that to him. Probably only once if they did, since he could knock them out.

Roy Jones is known to have a huge ego, while people consider Zoo more humble. When it comes down to it, the way a boxer presents himself shows a lot about that person. I absoutely hated Glen Johnson when he beat Jones, but when I heard him at the post-fight and he said "I am not the best, but I am willing to fight the best," I became a fan right away. So what I'm saying is, I think people takes Zoo more lightly is because of his humble attitude.

Glad I don't eat oatmeal. Oranges are quite tasty, sometimes. And Blueberry muffins can be great, and filling.