I think a lot of you are underestimating how hard Usyk is to hit. Another interesting element of this fight is Usyk has a significant speed advantage. I can’t think of a Fury opponent that has had that over Fury. Cunningham maybe? But that’s possibly the only one.
I’d pick Fury to win but I don’t think it’s an easy fight for him.
Forget about Usyk's handspeed. He won't be able to use it due to Fury's feinting and movement. Fury disrupts his opponent's rhythm and they end up throwing a LOT less punches than they usually do when against other fighters.
You've also got to consider Fury's power jabs since he went back to Kronk, those things do a lot of cumulative damage through the course of a fight, and Fury's left hook to the body (which lifted Wilder off his feet at one point lol) has caused a couple of fighters to retire in the past.
Not the GOAT because it's too early in his career to even begin to think about that. These three wins against Wilder and his win against Klitschko puts him in the All Time Great bracket though.
People saying that he hasn't defended any titles seem to forget that he's defended his Lineal Championship title 8 times now, including three times against one of the hardest punchers in heavyweight history.
We haven't seen the best of Tyson Fury yet either and probably won't see that for another two or three years, which is actually quite scary when you think about it lol
I can see him beating Whyte, then the winner of the Usyk vs Joshua fight to unify the titles then the loser of that fight to defend them.
I can see Fury retiring undefeated, there's nobody good enough in this division to beat him.
Well for me personally it's because when I was younger these fights used to be on terrestrial TV and free to watch. All you needed back then was a TV licence or run the risk of getting caught without one.
Football was the same. We had matches on BBC 1 and ITV, no need to pay a fortune to Sky or another TV service every month, it was free to watch.
I don't pay to watch TV as a matter of principle, I watch streams illegally instead. I wouldn't mind paying for a monthly subscription if Sky or any other company would let me watch any match I want no matter what time or day it was on. But they don't. So they can all go and fuck themselves lol
Unless Joshua suddenly learns to MOVE rather than being static for the vast majority of the time, particularly his head, it'd be a KO win for Wilder EVERY time.
Joshua is too similar to Bruno, a bodybuilder with a great knockout punch, and he's nowhere near as loveable either.
I'm always excited to see Fury fight. I've followed his career since he started boxing.
I can see Whyte beating Wallin and Fury fighting and beating Whyte. Then he'll fight the winner of the Usyk vs Joshua rematch plus a rematch when he wins that and then the loser of Usyk vs Joshua.
If Fury is forced to let a belt go due to being unable to face a mandatory challenger then he'll end up challenging for it at a later date once those 4 fights have been done. If this happens we could see Fury being a three time heavyweight Unification winner without losing a fight which would (I THINK, although I will stand to be corrected if I'm wrong!) be a place in boxing history.
2-1 to Wilder, I was VERY tempted to vote 3-0 due to Joshua being so static and being easier to hit but I thought I'd give Joshua the benefit of the doubt for at least one of them. Joshua is quite chinny but has a couple of decent knockout punches.
I think he may still be suffering from PTSD from that second fight. Remember, he took a real beating over those 7 rounds.
PTSD is something that can affect someone both mentally and physically. Plus Fury rising from the dead in the last round of the first fight also hasn't done him any good psychologically. He's basically lost faith in his most powerful (and some might say his only!) weapon in his arsenal.
His management team are next to useless too, they're about as useful as a chocolate teapot tbh. He needed at least one tune up fight before either the second fight or the third fight to build up that faith in his right hand again and his general shattered confidence.
And to be honest, it seemed like more white Americans were rooting for Fury and black Americans were rooting for Wilder. We know most English were rooting for Fury because they are all about their country. I base this mainly on the fans reaction during the three fights.
is it because Wilder is a douche or racial, or?
It's because the Americans have a BIG problem with racism unfortunately and just like here in the UK those flames are fanned by Marxist founded groups like the BLM and Antifa.
And the constant use of identity politics into just about EVERYTHING isn't helping matters either. Everyone is obsessed with being as 'Woke' as humanly possible and they don't realise that doing this caused racial, gender and sexuality division rather than harmony.
Thankfully the same thing that happened in the 00s will happen again at some point, and I think we're getting close to that time now. Back in the 90s it was called Political Correctness instead of Wokeness and things started to get REALLY ridiculous in the late 90s, so ridiculous that everyone got fed up and stopped listening to the mostly middle aged middle class white women that were peddling this nonsense. They realised that nobody was listening and they stopped with the madness at around the year 2000.
Once everything settled down and calmed down PC did have the benefit of improving the rights of ethnic minorities, women and gay people and I'm expecting the same thing to happen in a few years, trans rights will be improved for example.
But going back to the state of racism in America it seems like things were less intense in the 90s, and the same can be said here in the UK too. Those two Marxist founded groups have set race relations back 30 years or so, and it's very sad to see :(
He isn't dirty. He just plays a little rough.
Being dirty is boxing using headbutts, elbows, forearms and deliberately hitting below the belt.
Fury was almost beaten by Wallin when he deliberately stuck the nut on him and forced him to fight 9 rounds with one eye. THAT was dirty.
Since when is Wilder actually throwing Jabs ? All he does basically is extending that left hand to fake/gauge and throw his only asset...
He threw 102 jabs during the fight and only connected with 9.
Because even with two years worth of ring rust Fury is VERY difficult to hit.
Wilder connected with just 9 jabs in 10 and a bit rounds last night lol :eek::cool::D
I'm guessing that was in the States? Things are pretty bad over there and Marxist organisations like the BLM and Antifa make matters even worse. Don't get me wrong, the vast majority of people that join those protests are decent and respectable people but these things tend to get ruined by the organisations having a far left core base. ANY extreme political group is bad news doesn't matter if it's far left or far right.
Thankfully I'm living in the UK where we don't have as big of a problem with racism compared to other countries around the world. It IS here, but is nowhere near as prevalent as it is in the majority of countries, especially the States.
Some parts of London and Birmingham are pretty bad, and here in North London I've been a victim of racism myself as a white guy but generally we get along. I'm proud that the UK is arguably the most tolerant, inclusive, multicultural and diverse place on the planet.
I think it's probably down to us having an empire donkey's years ago, we've been used to having non-white people in our society for longer than most other nations.
Fury will fight the following, probably in this order, and put all of this nonsense to bed:
Whyte/the winner of Whyte vs Wallin, the winner of Usyk vs Joshua (Usyk) plus the inevitable rematch, the loser of Usyk vs Joshua (Joshua), the loser of Whyte vs Wallin (Wallin) and finish of with a fourth defeat of Wilder if Wilder earns the chance.
There's 6 fights, you may have mandatory challengers in the running too, perhaps?
Fury will then retire unbeaten and go down as one of the best heavyweights of all time.
There isn't anyone in this division with the skills to beat him. The only person that can beat Fury is Fury, and he seems to have a real handle on his Bipolar Disorder these days.
Imo he's the best heavyweight I've seen since I saw Ali fight when I was a kid. Fury has taken a lot of influences from him and it shows.
When they thought Joshua might drop the belt instead of fighting Usyk they were calling Joshua a ducker, but not Fury who looks like he's about to avoid Whyte. They're hypocrites.
Not sure where you're getting that idea from. Before his third fight with Wilder was postponed during COVID-19 he said that he wanted to fight Whyte in November or December.
It's his Dad that doesn't want him to fight Whyte, not Tyson Fury.
enough of the bull**** denium....it has nothing to do with people thinking whyte can beat fury it’s about Tyson fury making defences against his mandatory challengers and not choosing to face the likes of wallin , seferi or swartz.
If he gives up his belt by refusing to fight whyte then that tells me all I need to know....do I think fury beats him yes I do but running away from your mandatory is not a good look and the position by the wbc now is in 30 days if no unification fight he has to then face his mandatory and be dam sure Hearn will now press the **** out of it and mow even the wbc have forced themselves into a corner.
fury like all other champions must fullfill his obligations as a champion end of story
Fury said not so long ago that he wanted to fight Whyte in October/November and then (I THINK, my memory is not what it once was lol) Joshua in May next year. This of course was before his fight with Wilder was delayed due to COVID-19 and before the Whyte vs Wallin fight was set up.
He has no intention of avoiding Whyte or Wallin and neither one will be a problem for him, just as long as Wallin doesn't stick the nut on him deliberately and force him to fight three quarters of the fight with one eye like he did last time. There's no way that was an accident, he made several attempts to nut him in that third round. :eek::mad::eek:
If that was thirty years ago Fury's career would have been OVER.
It’s astounding how many “boxing fans” don’t understand that the 10 count is by the refs count not a stop watch. The fighter is listening or watching the ref so they can take as much of that count as needed to recuperate before they get up. It doesn’t mean said fighter was knocked out. If the count was faster the fighter would get up faster. This is not hard to understand but here we are.
Everything that he said.
Plus the count, according to the rules of the game, only starts once the fighter is in a neutral corner and also starts one second after a fighter hits the deck.
Fury and Usyk have similar ring IQs, but I'd put Fury ahead of Usyk down to his defence. Fury also has a significant height and weight advantage.
Usyk is probably the most challenging opponent in the division for Fury but like I've said on here before there is NOBODY in this division capable of beating him. He's going to retire undefeated.
It should also be remembered that Fury had 2 years worth of ring rust last night so he wasn't performing at his best. He won't have that ring rust if/when they fight for Unification.
Fury is a 6'9, 19 stone version of Usyk with more reach and power. With Wilder, Fury always had to be cautious of the right hand. He won't care about that with Usyk so he'll just rush him and use his size and weight. KO within 5 rounds.
What you can hear right now is the sound of the nail being hit firmly on the head.
Joshua is a lot easier to beat because he's, like Bruno was, a bodybuilder with gloves on so is a lot easier to hit. He's too static.
Fury is a different kettle of fish altogether, his feinting and movement makes him VERY difficult to hit and his engine is just plain ridiculous. Fury looked like he could do all of those rounds again in that third fight lol :eek::lol1:
no one can seriously answer?
The Ali-style flicked jabs that Fury was throwing in Wilder's direction all night. The gloves weren't floppy, Fury's hands were.
Flicking jabs like that needs the entire lower arm and hand to be relaxed and loose.
They're not primarily used to cause damage, they're used to score points and distract an opponent.
Fury has been influenced heavily by Ali during his career. We've seen flicked jabs, rope-a-dope and of course plenty of messing around in the ring, teasing opponents and mouthing off to them during a fight. And of course he winds up opponents during press conferences too.
I've been convinced that his brain is wired differently compared to everyone else's since the first fight.
After those two knockdowns, the first in the 9th by a rabbit punch and the second in the 12th where he was knocked spark out for a few seconds, his equilibrium should have been completely screwed but he got up without even the slightest wobble. That is NOT normal lol :eek:
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing another boxer with the same thing in the 70s or 80s when I was a kid, unless I'm remembering things wrongly?
Definitely a long count, don’t know how you can say otherwise.
It wasn't a long count if you're aware of the rules. The count can only start when Wilder is in the neutral corner and the count doesn't start when Fury hits the deck either. It starts a second AFTER a boxer is on the ground, not as soon as he hits the deck.
If Wilder strayed out of the neutral corner the count is suspended at that point as the ref tells him to shift his arse until he gets back into the neutral corner.
And the count is started by the timekeeper if the ref is unable to start it himself.
This wasn't a long count and the knockdown in round 12 of the first fight wasn't a long count either.
Why everyone saying no?
Because there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the count. Thankfully, unlike a lot of people on these forums, the ref knows the rules and followed them to the letter.
Wouldn't have made much difference. By the time that he broke his hand (the 8th round) he was totally gassed anyway.
Tbh I'm surprised that he got enough force into the punches by then to break any bones, but you could clearly see that he'd done it because he held his right hand with his other hand in the 8th.
Should have used a knuckle duster like Fury lol :p:lol1:
What a load of bollocks. So they couldn't have done a second test right away before calling off the fight? Fury pulled out of the fight and needed an excuse, he got one from covid.
Like I've said, several tests would have been done and witnessed by officials from the TV stations, sponsors, Commission etc.
COVID-19 was in his camp, even if he didn't test positive himself (which he did) that would have been enough to have the fight postponed.
You're making it sound like there's some sort of conspiracy going on, which is completely fucking ridiculous. Honestly, like I've said earlier, some people on here have NO CLUE how boxing works. It's quite laughable tbh.
There was no faked test. There was no conspiracy. He would have failed (most likely) several tests. They don't postpone these things for no reason, there's too much money involved.
I will ask the questions again.
Do you think Fury faked Covid? And if he did, do you still respect him? And what do you say about him not fighting in 2 years and never defending a belt? Are you OK with all of these things from him?
Of course he didn't fake COVID-19. The TV companies, sponsors etc would all have been involved in postponing the fight and seeing the test results.
It was most likely a false positive, assuming that Fury didn't need to take several tests in the first place.
I'm really surprised at how little some people on here know about boxing. A decision like this would not have been taken lightly and all of the people making money on this fight would have been involved in the decision, the TV companies, the sponsors and the Commission. It wouldn't have been the case of Fury faking a test result and the whole thing's off lol
What a load of bollocks. So they couldn't have done a second test right away before calling off the fight? Fury pulled out of the fight and needed an excuse, he got one from covid.
He would have had to have done SEVERAL tests, like I've said. And the results of those tests would have been witnessed by the relevant people involved in the fight.
If you think for a SECOND that Fury faked ONE test result and postponed the fight as the result of that one test then you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land and know NOTHING about boxing, seriously.
The decision to postpone this fight would not have been taken lightly and would have involved several tests and several different groups of people with a financial interest in the fight.
I can't believe how little some people on here know about boxing, it's farcical at times on here lol
I don't think that Wilder is scared.
The man is dumb as a rock and he's surrounded by sycophants blowing smoke up his arse 24/7, I think he genuinely believes that his costume was too heavy and Fury had egg-weights in his gloves.
Earl is right, Wilder has ridiculous power and if you're not prepared, he'll knock you the f*** out.
I'd like to point you to the exclusive interview with Mo Boxing at the 10 minute 42 second mark as irrefutable evidence that Wilder is crapping himself:
https://youtu.be/FG-Gr6NkPV4&t=642s
He does his usual perfect for 2 seconds line with his usual fake smile at the end of it. Looking great so far, right? Yup. Right until the next question comes along and his body language is quite clear to see.
The interviewer mentions that Fury says that he owns his soul. Wilder's face drops. You can literally see the fear in his eyes, and he starts to stutter and stammer like Foghorn Leghorn on Speed. It takes him well over a minute to recover himself from that before he can bung that fake smile on his face again.
The man is broken. The man is TERRIFIED.
The man should NOT be going into the ring in that state of mind. He doesn't even believe that he can knock Fury out because Fury rose from the dead in the first fight and shrugged off two decent right hands early on in the second fight.
He's ALWAYS going to have that puncher's chance, that's the nature of the game at this weight, but the man is scared of Fury and in no psychological state to enter the ring, it might even get the man killed or permanently damaged.