He knows how to fight ugly.
Wouldn't say he is dirty in the sense of committing blatant fouls but he knows how to stretch the rule and operates with an understanding of what the referee can see.
he did some shady stuff with Cunningham and the headlocks and leaning..is he Hopkins tier in that regard
Fury definitely resorts to some rough stuff (I'm thinking that forearm to Cunningham you referenced), and it isn't always pretty, but dirty might be a stretch. When I think of dirty fighters, Golota and Mike Tyson come to mind. Mike Tyson is probably the dirtiest ever. I mean, he repeatedly tried to break opponents arms, injured an opponent with a late punch, and bit off a hunk of a freakin' ear. Of course, there are degrees to everything, but Tyson Fury isn't dirty at all when comparing him to truly dirty fighters.
I'd echo others' thoughts here - he's a rough fighter and it's the ref's job to keep it rough, but clean. A fighter should do what it takes to win. With that being said, for all the dirty fighter talk, Fury took over the third fight when he established his jab, not his tactics. His jab neutralized Wilder, his rough approach is what punished him once he'd taken over
He fights rough and uses some ungentlemanly tactics when he feels he has to or it's going to give him an edge, but he doesn't go overboard on proper dirty fighting methinks (I've not seen him pull stuff like purposeful rabbit punching, sneaky low-blows and the like with any regularity. A proper "dirty fighter" would be someone like, say, Marco Huck if you're looking for guys who are currently active).
His inside fighting skills are pretty good and it's been a bit of a lost art at heavyweight for some time now, so it might seem like what he's doing is "dirty fighting".
he did some shady stuff with Cunningham and the headlocks and leaning..is he Hopkins tier in that regard
He uses rough house tactics but doesn’t low blow/head butt/rabbit punch. There have been way dirtier fighters
I personally don't mind a guy who mixes in some dirty boxing among some good clean work. Bhop was dirty but he could really box too, and had a nice unique style. Evander loved his headbutts but he could box beautifully all the time too.
Fury is just a good inside fighter. And if you're a good inside fighter, you're going to at minimum be a little bit 'dirty'. I don't think he does anything overly dirty though - never really seen him go low, or rabbit punch often/flagrantly, or headbutt all the time.
He does like to clinch excessively and lean on guys. And he does like to maul guys, which can lead to some holding and hitting.
He also does a lot of good work not on the inside too.
The only 'dirty' guy in recent memory who I was not a fan of was Ward. It seemed like his MO was to get as dirty as possible, by any and all means, when the going got tough. Pulling out any and all tricks to try and win.
When you're just pretty flagrantly throwing elbows, going low, headbutts, all of that, it's definitely something that the ref should address and penalize.
Yes
However, if the ref isn't going to enforce the rules, why shouldn't he be dirty ? The problem is his opponents not being dirty too. Fight dirt with dirt until the ref wakes the fck up.
When people like the fighter he is crafty, tricky, and using veteran tactics. When people don't like the fighter he is dirty, cheating, and should be disqualified.
Hopkins is my favorite fighter of all time and he's dirty as fuk. I'll admit that easily.
When people like the fighter he is crafty, tricky, and using veteran tactics. When people don't like the fighter he is dirty, cheating, and should be disqualified.
No - inside fighting just deteriorated around him.
Most of the guys who were early believers of his would cite this when saying he would be the next HW champ - he isn't James Toney in there at all, but just comparing it out ot the rest of the guys around him at the time, he definitely had the edge in that regard...fluidity.
I guess he got known for being a mover for a while but that's not where the edge really lies.. How could it be, no matter how slick he is, he is still a big ass target...he can only make himself so small. Now the inside work and "dirtyness" is reappearing though and people can see how much he has.
He isn't dirty. He just plays a little rough.
Being dirty is boxing using headbutts, elbows, forearms and deliberately hitting below the belt.
Fury was almost beaten by Wallin when he deliberately stuck the nut on him and forced him to fight 9 rounds with one eye. THAT was dirty.
Well you do pick them up in old school gyms where Fury always went around when he was young. Like when he went to the Kronk gym with no notice, just a bag on his back when he was about 21. Fighters like that go around these gyms and learn the old school tricks.
You don’t learn them in the sports institute where the Team GB lot like AJ come from.
True, so i d say fury knows what he's doing in that ring and given himself best chance to win and isn't dirty