Tyson Fury’s skills vs Wilder and Klitschko

https://youtu.be/VXzQVko1gyY For context, drugs do contribute to performance, how much of what Tyson showed in that stinker vs. Klitsckho was really all him? Here is a clip of Tyson admitting to abusing drugs. Therefore, I rule out his win vs. Wladimir Klitschko, he should of been banned for cheating Christian Hammer months before. OK, bye.

I am a fan of Wilder but more so of boxing as a whole. He raised his profile in this fight and I have a habit of supporting fighters who are limited overachievers like Wilder and previously Froch. exactly, wilder put up a great fight, u cant fault him for effort and heart, well done to both guys, fury just has his number, wilder in hindsight would be thinking yeah i should have accepted whatever offer snakey eddie had for him to fight joshua even if it meant going through the wall first, ie whyte, good boxers are trouble for punchers & fury can box

exactly, the refs job is not to go into some frantic speed count, the ref actually wants to give any downed fighter the chance to get up and continue, both fighters will get the same treatment, hes not on one guys side (unless hes a homer of course!), if u can get up and ready at 10 u continue, noone wants to see a guy waived off when he is clear and ready to go u know the guys who are complaining about counts, their guy lost I am a fan of Wilder but more so of boxing as a whole. He raised his profile in this fight and I have a habit of supporting fighters who are limited overachievers like Wilder and previously Froch.

Exactly! Plus you have to take into account that the ref had to direct Wilder to stay in a neutral corner. If the ref counted faster Fury may have gotten up faster anyway. We don’t know so to speculate on where Fury was or if he could of gotten up is nonsense. The association of boxing commissions and combative sports says: ‘When a knockdown occurs, the downed boxer’s opponent shall go to the furthest neutral corner and remain there while the count is being made. ‘The referee may stop counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where he/she left off when the opponent reports to or returns to the neutral corner.’ exactly, the refs job is not to go into some frantic speed count, the ref actually wants to give any downed fighter the chance to get up and continue, both fighters will get the same treatment, hes not on one guys side (unless hes a homer of course!), if u can get up and ready at 10 u continue, noone wants to see a guy waived off when he is clear and ready to go u know the guys who are complaining about counts, their guy lost

yes but is it not a 10 count and not 10 seconds, there is nothing that i can see about 10 seconds, not every count is exactly the same, some refs count a little faster some slower, he points to neutral corner is seen a lot in fights etc, its waived off if the fighter is not ready at 10, the ref is not falling asleep and starting counting again, its his count & fighters do listen to the count and get up when they are ready so to be as steady as possible Exactly! Plus you have to take into account that the ref had to direct Wilder to stay in a neutral corner. If the ref counted faster Fury may have gotten up faster anyway. We don’t know so to speculate on where Fury was or if he could of gotten up is nonsense. The association of boxing commissions and combative sports says: ‘When a knockdown occurs, the downed boxer’s opponent shall go to the furthest neutral corner and remain there while the count is being made. ‘The referee may stop counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where he/she left off when the opponent reports to or returns to the neutral corner.’

In every single fight, if the ref pauses, the ref continues counting with help from ringside. yes but is it not a 10 count and not 10 seconds, there is nothing that i can see about 10 seconds, not every count is exactly the same, some refs count a little faster some slower, he points to neutral corner is seen a lot in fights etc, its waived off if the fighter is not ready at 10, the ref is not falling asleep and starting counting again, its his count & fighters do listen to the count and get up when they are ready so to be as steady as possible

Tyson Fury’s footwork, feints, handspeed, elusiveness, head movement, and use of his jab as a distraction was boxing at its finest. I don’t know how you can see this gigantic man move and fight the way he does and not give him credit. I’ve been saying this for a while now. I’ve never — no one has ever — seen a man that big move the way Fury does in the ring. Shit, we’ve rarely seen someone his size box at all! Size isn’t everything, but try to beat a guy bigger than LeBron James with skills and moves like Tyson, and arms like telephone poles. Tough night out for anyone who’s ever lived.

In every single fight, if the ref pauses, the ref continues counting with help from ringside. And I am not entirely sure what you think you typed, or what you really meant to say, but you just virtually said that it’s okay if the ref counts a slow count, stops counting midway through a count, and gives a fighter a 15 count? Is this what you are saying? That boxing’s 10-count does not have to be followed by a referee? I am not entirely sure if that is what you meant. You are saying that if the ref wants to slow count, stop a count, and give a fighter extra time to get up from a clean knock down, that it’s okay? I am sorry, but you really started your post off by saying fans don’t understand the 10-count, and proceeded by saying the ref can essentially give a hurt fighter as long of a count needed to recover from a clean KD? You are right, it is not very hard to understand your point of view. It’s typed in plain English. What you are saying, I mean I can’t make this up or put words in your mouth, or twist or spin anything you said. You have just typed it very clearly here. The ref counted slow and it’s okay. A fighter, no matter how hurt he is, can get up fast if the ref is counting fast. And the fighter’s legs will not be affected by this fast count. And a fighter does not benefit from a slow count either. We’re all just stupid, but here is redrum0351 explaining for all of us. Breaking it down in laymen terms. The theory of general relativity applies to referees and boxers. The boxer recovers faster and can get up faster based on how fast the ref is counting. The only reason Manny Pacquiao stayed down, knocked out cold vs JMM was because the ref didn’t even count. He waived it off. If Kenny Bayless would have counted, Pacquiao had a chance to get up, maybe after a 5 minute count. Bayless could have stretched the count a bit more too. This is such a big scientific breakthrough! No wonder they call the sweet science. It’s so full of science! Please have this post peer-reviewed and published, guy. You are on absolutely on to something. Yes please type a bunch of straw man arguments because just like boxing you did not understand my post. Where did I say if a boxer is knocked out cold they can understand the 10 count? Where did I say the ref should cheat or prolong the 10 count as long as possible or whatever BS you are imagining? When a fighter gets knocked down it’s common knowledge that they listen to the 10 count. Obviously a fighter cannot if they are knocked out but Fury was not. A intelligent fighter will use as much of that 10 count as they can to recuperate. They are independent of the ref. It isn’t the fighters fault if the refs count is slow. So to say that fighter would not have gotten up if it was a faster count is illogical. You don’t know the condition of the fighter for every second of that 10 count. He could be seriously hurt or he could not be seriously hurt but smart enough to use all of the time provided. Have you researched if the ref can halt the 10 count if a fighter will not go to a neutral corner? I doubt it. The association of boxing commissions and combative sports says: ‘When a knockdown occurs, the downed boxer’s opponent shall go to the furthest neutral corner and remain there while the count is being made. ‘The referee may stop counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where he/she left off when the opponent reports to or returns to the neutral corner.’ It’s that simple.

Tyson has said that he worked out in Round 12 of the first fight that he was stronger than Wilder and that Wilder could not fight under pressure. He could just walk him down. So that's what he did. It's a measure of the man that he can fight on both ways. The question is, does he think he can just do that against anyone now? Because it didn't work too well v Otto Wallin. And could he adjust to being a boxer if Plan A doesn't work midfight? Not seen evidence of that yet. The main reason it worked so well v Wilder is because the man has no balance and can't really counter.

Listen up fellas, the smart guy is here. I have my online PhD in Sweet Science from DeVry University. The ref counting slow is not actually a slow count. The ref can take 15 minutes to count to 10 "seconds", it's still just 10 seconds. Please stop being so stupid. Understand something for once in your life. Have some respect for yourself for once. The fighter has 10 referee seconds. Not 10 actual, literal seconds as we know it. In my PhD in Sweet Science curriculum, there was a mandatory course called Refereeing Doppler Effect. I had other high level course. We learn that Ref seconds are different than normal seconds. Ref seconds are more flexible. The course also covers the kinematics (geometry of motion) of refereeing. Also, the escape velocity of the words that come out of a referee's mouth. Word sublimation, look that up too. Lastly, you also need to look up the Centrifugal Force of boxing and what that has to do with the way the referee counted relative to where Fury was knocked down in the ring. All of this plays a big part in the elasticity of the referee's count after a fighter goes down. Please do your research before you come at Dr. Kev again, with your "long count" BS. That's equivalent to broscience. There was no long count here. 10 seconds is whatever the referee deems 10 seconds. Not what stupid fans, journalists, or ringside announcers deem as 10 seconds.

Everything that he said. Plus the count, according to the rules of the game, only starts once the fighter is in a neutral corner and also starts one second after a fighter hits the deck. We have the first peer that reviewed your paper. We just need to allow the rest of the science community to agree to it so that we can have it published. Keep it coming guys, we are on to something big! Please add me as a co-author. I want in on this paper.

It’s astounding how many “boxing fans” don’t understand that the 10 count is by the refs count not a stop watch. The fighter is listening or watching the ref so they can take as much of that count as needed to recuperate before they get up. It doesn’t mean said fighter was knocked out. If the count was faster the fighter would get up faster. This is not hard to understand but here we are. In every single fight, if the ref pauses, the ref continues counting with help from ringside. And I am not entirely sure what you think you typed, or what you really meant to say, but you just virtually said that it’s okay if the ref counts a slow count, stops counting midway through a count, and gives a fighter a 15 count? Is this what you are saying? That boxing’s 10-count does not have to be followed by a referee? I am not entirely sure if that is what you meant. You are saying that if the ref wants to slow count, stop a count, and give a fighter extra time to get up from a clean knock down, that it’s okay? I am sorry, but you really started your post off by saying fans don’t understand the 10-count, and proceeded by saying the ref can essentially give a hurt fighter as long of a count needed to recover from a clean KD? You are right, it is not very hard to understand your point of view. It’s typed in plain English. What you are saying, I mean I can’t make this up or put words in your mouth, or twist or spin anything you said. You have just typed it very clearly here. The ref counted slow and it’s okay. A fighter, no matter how hurt he is, can get up fast if the ref is counting fast. And the fighter’s legs will not be affected by this fast count. And a fighter does not benefit from a slow count either. We’re all just stupid, but here is redrum0351 explaining for all of us. Breaking it down in laymen terms. The theory of general relativity applies to referees and boxers. The boxer recovers faster and can get up faster based on how fast the ref is counting. The only reason Manny Pacquiao stayed down, knocked out cold vs JMM was because the ref didn’t even count. He waived it off. If Kenny Bayless would have counted, Pacquiao had a chance to get up, maybe after a 5 minute count. Bayless could have stretched the count a bit more too. This is such a big scientific breakthrough! No wonder they call the sweet science. It’s so full of science! Please have this post peer-reviewed and published, guy. You are on absolutely on to something.

It’s astounding how many “boxing fans” don’t understand that the 10 count is by the refs count not a stop watch. The fighter is listening or watching the ref so they can take as much of that count as needed to recuperate before they get up. It doesn’t mean said fighter was knocked out. If the count was faster the fighter would get up faster. This is not hard to understand but here we are. Everything that he said. Plus the count, according to the rules of the game, only starts once the fighter is in a neutral corner and also starts one second after a fighter hits the deck.

It’s astounding how many “boxing fans” don’t understand that the 10 count is by the refs count not a stop watch. The fighter is listening or watching the ref so they can take as much of that count as needed to recuperate before they get up. It doesn’t mean said fighter was knocked out. If the count was faster the fighter would get up faster. This is not hard to understand but here we are.

Yep. The only fighter in history that could beat Deontay is Fury. His resume shows it, KOing killa after killa, top fighter after top fighter. IMO Wilder would KO Godzilla if they fought. I mean he's already KO'd King Kong right? What a fighter. Hopefully he keeps fighting top competition like he's been doing for almost 50 pro fights.

Or you could see it as Fury got dropped 4 times by one of the least skilled title holders ever. A fighter with one weapon that he can only throw one way, a guy that can't even throw a right hook. He ran away from safety first Wlad in one of the worst title fights in history with the least amount of punches ever thrown over 12 rounds. He fought Wlad’s fight. Beat Wlad using his own style of fighting. Slow paced, trying to outbox his opponent. Just clean punching. Wlad even tried to clinch multiple times, it didn’t work on Fury because he was bigger and taller. Fury simply outboxed him. He schooled Wlad. Boxing has many styles of fighting. It is not as varied as MMA, but since its inception it has had a lot of different fighters. Do you really see these old clips of fighters of the “golden years” of pro boxing and not spit out your beer in laughter? Because if not, I can’t see how you can say Wilder has such poor skills but then praise these obtuse, goofy-looking fighters of the past, their stance and the way they throw punches, and say with a straight face that they were “highly skilled”. I mean they were essentially wiped out of boxing once boxing became international and its barriers were brought down. If you put Wilder in there vs these guys, he will look like prime Muhammad Ali on steroids.