Pacquiao didn't have to come at 147 but cotto or any other champion shouldn't have been forced to go below 147 which IS the welterweight limit. Had cotto weighed 147 instead of 145 freddy may not have allowed the fight to go on.
Another idiot. When will your kind vanish? :pat:
141-147 is WW. If you can't understand this, go "peeleft: on yourself.
*sigh* it's even funny i have to repeat this again. Let me try and explain it in terms you can grasp. Welterweight 141-147. Last night's fight 141-145. If you can't see it don't give up. One day, with proper training, your IQ will equal a chimp's
Since everyone else on the planet also told you that you're wrong, I will too. 147 is the welterweight limit, meaning you can't weigh over 147.
So there, you're wrong.
It seems that the concept of weight limits is too much for your brain to process. Welterweight limit is 147!!!!! NOT 145!!! any welterweight championship fight should have a limit of 147!!! Is that such a hard concept to understand? Sure you can go into the fight at 141 if you want and win but that is your choice. Cotto was forced to have a weight limit of 145 instead of 147 simple as that and that, in my book, is NOT a legitimate welterweight title fight. He got pwned but that still doesn't change the fact they broke the rules of the division for money.
Roach actually confirmed before the weigh-in that he would've allowed the fight to go onn even if Cotto would not have made the catch weight, but he would have to pay the penalty. He was that confident of Pac beating Cotto.
Right, it would've made no difference in my opinion. Pac was just too much, he was much better, faster, stronger than Cotto so no argument there. Cotto can't beat pac in a million fights.
Speculation
it has everything to do with floyd, he keeps making excuses after excuses!! even though if Pac agreed to the tests,he will come up another excuse or outrageous demands im sure...when will this end??
Your honor this is just speculation based on the witness' preconceptions and bias towards a fighter. I ask that the above comment be stricken from the record :P
a $50+million fight and you say no just because of a test?
Hopkins was once asked after he "retired" if he'd come back for a $20 million fight. His answer was for that kind of money he would return from the grave!
There's absolutely no rational way to turn down a $50+million fight win or lose just because of some tests if you have nothing to hide. Boxers make demands for fights all the time. Manny can make them and Mayweather can't ?
Michael Phelps, Armstrong and every damn great olympic athlete in the world submits to that, including boxers why can't manny do it?
How all of this could have been avoided? just say yes!
He got every concession possible, mayweather had to pay more money than most fighters get for a fight for each pound over the limit.
I always saw manny as a humble guy who was just great and likeable and really thought this was a non issue or a misunderstanding. Now this really makes me wonder about how clean he has been.
Floyd fans have trouble with numbers
i know you're retarded and all, so im gonna explain it kindergarten style.
the fight was a welterweight fight with a catchweight of 144 lbs.
welterweight= 147lbs yes you are right. way to go.
but this fight is kinda special cause both parties agreed not to come any higher than 144lbs. they call it "catch weight"
you still with me? or am i using too many numbers? its ok. you can take a break.
lets continue...
unfortunately, floyd failed to weigh in below 144lbs, which means he didn't honor the agreed weight.
the point of the kind british gentleman is that floyd has a history of not making the agreed weight while manny has no history of being on PED's (performance enhancing drugs)
you got that champ?
Demands get made by boxers all the time. Ring size, type of gloves etc etc.
it's part of the process to negotiate the terms of the fight. Asking for bigger gloves isn't an accusation that you will have an illegal padding. There are many logical reasons to turn down or cancel a fight because you couldn't reach an agreement. So far, Pacquiao's reasons don't convince anyone other than die hard fans. All I've read from anyone defending him is spin. Mayweather did this, mayweather did that... still no one explains why is it such a horrible thing to ask for something that SHOULD have been happening already anyway in EVERY fight.
LOL!!! I agree
i forgive lampley somewhat, he calls fights sort of old school style as if you (the audience) were listening to it on the radio instead of TV. shit i'd prefer to listen to him call it than sit through Lennox Lewis' commentary.
but hbo does bias their shit though.
Omg yes, Lennox may have been a great fighter but he's soo bad at commentary. Hopefully he'll get better in time :P :)
Taylor's camp said there won't EVER be a rematch
That's hilarious because Taylor was the one who stayed in the ring instead of fleeing and acting like he was robbed like a sore loser is wont to do (Fernando Vargas, Erik Morales, etc). To further disprove your theory, Wright was the one who said he didn't want a rematch...something that someone who BELIEVES THEY WON THE FIGHT has never ever in the history of boxing said when in the role of the challenger.
Well just so you know. I just read a little while ago Taylor's camp also said the rematch would NEVER happen. That they'd search for someone else and "Knock him out". Hmmm... Could it be that using your line of thought they too, may be afraid of fighting? Of course not! They just angry at Winky right?! Tell me how's that different from Winky also being angry and saying he won't fight a rematch. Of course you mentioning it's in the role of a challenger means you're quite aware of that situation yourself eh?
that's easy to answer
Why doesn't he want a rematch? Because he was so sure he had won that he was disappointed by the decision. Same way Hagler was when he fought Leonard and tired of those shady backroom politics quit the sport.
So... there you have it. The reason why winky said he didn't want the rematch. It's quite simple to see if you take your blindfolds off actually.
Your defense would actually be reasonable if boxing didn't have the shady history, background and bad reputation precisely because of corruption scandals and shady decisions. To give you a recent example, Barrera's last fight. What would you think if a draw is declared in front of the whole world then suddenly when you're in the dressing room you get news that you actually lost because someone tallied the cards "incorrectly." Hmmm... it seems you don't know boxing's history too well. Well as they say "ignorance is bliss"
He didn't win
He was just hugging all night and in a close fight that's gonna cost you. Aggressiveness is also part of the scoring system. If I'm undecided and one of the guys is trying to make a fight and the other just keeps showing how afraid he is and holding and falling, I'd definitely score the fight in favor of the most aggressive fighter.
I totally disaggre, wlad has size and a great jab that at time of dangerous moments he choses to hold rather then jab the hell out of the bull. Wlad could be a really good fighter but im not sure he has the mentality to be a top fighter, or if his confidence will hurt him in a tougher fight then his fight with peters
He can but as you mentioned his mind betrays him sometimes, but he's making progress on that. The problem with the Heavyweight division is that now you see these big guys that look like they were made by CAT to try and just knock everything down. Many of them have the strength to do so but that's all that goes for them. Wladimir is different, he's skilled, big, athletic and smart but he seems not to have that fighter fire other guys have and that's why I think he chooses to try to hold instead of fighting out of close situations. Although due to his height he could very well be also at a disadvantage since he would have to duck quite a bit for most fighters especially to punch to the body, which he rarely does. Still if Emmanuel were to help him out with that he'd become even more impressive and if he regains his confidence completely. He'll be unstoppable for a while. *KFC=Keeping Fingers Crossed*
whats funny is that wlad doesn't even need to hold hes got the reach, the power and most importantly hes got the skills, but i think he is still a little sketchy of getting hit or more visually having someone bomb rush him, so instead he trys to hold them
emanuel has to show wlad how to fight inside without holding, how to relax in the inside and not hold but let his hand go
Let his hands go except when fighting guys like Peter. Had he done that he would've been crushed by that guy.
Roy should've been DQ'd in that fight, He purposedfully and maliciously hit Griffin while he was down in that fight. However, don't forget they fought again and the outcome was very much different.
Raheem sucks, his a freaking nuthugger, just look at his performance against Freitas.
Even though his performance was really bad. I still believe he is a good boxer. Gave Freitas too much respect, rightfully so because if it hadn't been for all the hugging and grabbing he'd been knocked out.
Michalczewski is the main one. Not willing to fight the linear champ is definitely a dodge, however you slice it. Not to mention he was begged to make this fight for years by writers, fans, HBO, everyone.
He was content to be a paper champ at 175, sadly.
Didn't he lose to Gonzalez? A Guy that Roy handled and beat miserably. I know styles make fights but when you beat someone so badly then that someone goes to beat another guy. He wasn't in Roy's level.
That Blow was as intentional as they come
I can't believe a point wasn't deducted and that people would argue that mayweather should've been DQ'd because of that. True his trainer got into the ring but it was caused by such a blatant disregard for the rules. So at best the situation got even.
Margarito needs his chance
Although I believe Mayweather would beat Margarito. It would be interesting to see how he handles Margarito's aggressivenes or if Margarito, having tested Floyd's defense, becomes a little hesitant after noticing he hasn't landed many of his punches.
Anyway, I'd love to see Margarito get his shot, he deserves it and he's proved it.
Tito's Left Hook
Freitas' Right
Tyson's (Old one) Anything but mostly his uppercut
Oscar's Left hook because of his deceiving power.
Smokin' Joe's Left Hook
the times that we are in right now with our men and women from our military dying on a daily basis and you want to talk about what branch is better and try to put down the other branches you fucking asshole. you are a disgrace you fucking puke and should be banned from this site immediately.
cyberthugpatrol = Obsessed-biased-blind-dumb-ignorant-nuthugging moron.
and yes PBF would wipe the floor with margarito and so would williams that's why he's ducking him.
No he does have a point if a fighter says theyre willing to fight to their death then they start crying that their nose is sore then they make themselves look stupid. Great fight though.
Yeah that's so easy when someone's watching from the stands. It's exactly like being there everyone knows what it feels like. Right?
I would at least like to see it used in a close fight before they get rid of it. We all know that it makes a boring fight more boring but does it make a close fight more exciting?
Exactly I mean, obviously cotto's fight wasn't really hard to score but what about the fres oquendo fight with chris byrd which was a robbery no matter how you slice it? There are very open fights that really don't need open scoring but a close fight would be more interesting in my opinion. Knowing you're neck to neck and that any round could lose you the fight. I agree it is very anti-climatic thus taking away from the entertainment we all pay to see. The entertainment factor is the one that brings the money to the fights so you can argue that entertainment factor has to be there. I'd agree with that too however, I think it gives boxing more transparency in the way it is handled. We have to remember that first and foremost boxing is a sport.
why its all true
Floyd Mayweather is Pound 4 Pound the biggest FAKE the boxing world has ever seen, He has fought no talent no namers the first 3/4 of his career, and he barely made it past the likes of Castillo, Judah and Corrales, and now he couldnt even dominate an old De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather is a joke and a chicken that runs from everyone.
barely got past corrales? now that's funny LOL!! Yeah the same way Mike Tyson barely got past Spinks right?
If he is the best p4p fighter and wants to prove it, why not fight the fighters at their proper weight. It seems misleading to say you beat someone at 154 lbs when you want him to fight 4 pounds under the real limit.
It all comes down to one word. Speed. Mosley has it, pacquiao has it. The only problem is they are both accustomed to be the fastest guy in the ring when they fight. Against Mayweather that will become a big issue because they don't have the experience of fighting someone as fast as him. They won't know how to deal with the speed. Manny has the stamina to pressure him with volume punching except that as soon as he starts a combination Floyd will counter him quickly and won't give them time to react. Same thing with the jab. Floyd's jab is too fast and will surely disrupt pacquiao's rhythm. Once you take that away, there's not much more pacquiao will be able to do to force mayweather into a toe to toe fight except maybe cornering him but we all saw how easily Floyd can get away from the ropes. I think it will be the same story except that instead of being a righty, it'll be a southpaw.
If all it took was a panel of 3 people to discover and discern all the truths and facts in the world, then the world would have no problems.
The fact is, Floyd only won that night because of the opinions of 3 people- which were all blind.
Yes, so rather than trusting 3 people we should trust you, the lord of truth personified. since you are only one person. For every person that says mayweather lost there will be one that will say he won.