Im starting to believe Manny is hiding something..

I think it is more of a money thing. Why fight a guy at the correct weight when you can force him to bend to your will at catch weight in order to make a big payday? Not right but I think that is the case more than a PED thing. If PED's were the scenario they would fight the guys at their natural weights because Manny would be able to beat them regardless (according to the idea that PED's make you some unbeatable phenom) The catchweight wouldnt affect the money. Its more to give him an advantage. Roach knows it and makes no excuses and says it directly. I aint naive enough to think PEDs arent used but I dont think catchweights has any relation to peds, its about getting an advantage on the opponent. It wont affect the money, and they are still paying the sanctioning fees. If it was all about the money then he'd ignore the belts as a lot of fighters have been doing.

Compared to where he was a few years ago, I beg to differ. From being the most avoided man in boxing to not even being allowed to box in the US and needing to fight a Top Rank boxer in order to get a payday, seems like a step back to me. My point is that Arum knew he had Margs in a position to take advantage of him and he knew that Margs would accept nearly any and all demands made by Pac's people at this point......he has NO other big fight options. In other words, Pacquiao has saved Margarito's career. Way to help out a fellow cheat, Manolo!

I doubt if he gets the money he would have gotten if his career wasnt hanging by a thrad. I doubt he gets this fight either.

You're theory sucks because nobody is looking at his catchwright fights like that. Most people seem angry that he fights at a catchweight. I haven't heard one person use the theory you suggested. Seriously I have yet to hear one person say "Oh he's not on PEDs because her beats guys at a catchweight." Dumbest theory ever. http://img.youtube.com/vi/p7w64fbqYQY/0.jpg

I dont give a **** about this fight cause its stupid.....but will i feel sorry for Margarito fighting at 150 after getting caught with plaster. Hell no. Margarito is the main person calling pacquaio out without no pull and in middle of a scandel he deserve to get his ass handed to him by pacquaio and i hope pacquaio batter his bitch whille at the same time gives him a 5% purse. Just let pacquaio end this dudes career so that we dont have to hear from marg again. The only way ill watch this fight if i know pacquaio for sure will get total advantage to knock this dude out straight cold.

Baaaad thread!!!!!!!!!

What a stupid thread. Another idiot with nothing to do. You realise Pacman will come into the fight with extra weight he doesn't feel healthy with. Not too different to being weight drained. Margarito the right opponent at this time for Pacman when you consider everything that has happen. So you should be grateful Manny even considering this fight. It a huge risk.

A theory is called a theory for a reason...look it up as far as beating someone with speed. You might want to look up Ben Johnson. PED stands for performance enhancing drug not Power Enhancing Drug...It will make you faster. So get your facts straight Remember I have a belief a theory..whether its true or not can be debatable but PEDS can make you stronger, faster, give you stamina and much more THATS TRUE. I didn't look it up as I know the story behind Ben Johnson .... used PEDs to gain leg power and so that he can recuperate faster from his workouts and so forth. With Ben he actually tested positive. You stated the following not me: "if he KO's a bigger guy" ..... "if he KO's these guys at their wieght then he will look even more of a freak then he already looks to most. PED?" I said, Manny never KOed anyone at WW. Manny has always shown he was quick ..... just look at his fights in the lower divisions. People think that only after he moved up in weight divisions did he start taking PEDs...... I'm not afraid of being wrong but you nor Floyd have any proof. That's where your theory becomes just speculation!

I meant that ONLY when Floyd brought this PED into the equation that you even thought of Manny taking it .... and now you are taking Floyd's comments and making your mind spin up this theory of yours. For his last 4 fights: 1) Oscar: Manny had to go up for is FIRST fight at 147 .... he was one fight away from fighting his 130 fight. Most had Oscar winning this one.... Oscar stated before and after that he had a great training camp but after stated Manny won it because he was the better man ..... So Oscar going down was said to be fair since Manny came up. Hatton: Manny had to come down to fight him .... Cotto: Manny's last fight was at 140 and so Manny had to come back up to fight a 147 again. So he asked Cotto if he can come down to 145 while Manny needs to come back up again for ONLY his second fight at WW. This was only 1lb lower than Cotto's previous fight. Therefore, negligible. Clottey: No catch-weight .... by now Manny and company feel a bit better that they can fight at WW and I'm sure after the fight their confidence grew. Also, your theory is flawed as you pointed out that Manny has been KOing WWs ...... but he has yet to KO anyone at 147 the way he put Hatton away at 140..... Manny won at 147 with speed more than power. None of his last 4 fights would have me conclude your theory. It would be more obvious that Manny's team wasn't sure about being able to fight at WW and had asked for the catch-weight than him taking PEDs ..... especially when there has been NO EVIDENCE that he is on PEDs. So you didn't just start thinking about PEDs ..... you thought about it back then like I said but now are trying to add your theory to try to make yourself believe and others that he must be taking PEDs. A theory is called a theory for a reason...look it up as far as beating someone with speed. You might want to look up Ben Johnson. PED stands for performance enhancing drug not Power Enhancing Drug...It will make you faster. So get your facts straight Remember I have a belief a theory..whether its true or not can be debatable but PEDS can make you stronger, faster, give you stamina and much more THATS TRUE.

I don't know Floyd personally so he told me nothing, but if your biggest defense is when I started to believe this then I feel good about my theory. I meant that ONLY when Floyd brought this PED into the equation that you even thought of Manny taking it .... and now you are taking Floyd's comments and making your mind spin up this theory of yours. For his last 4 fights: 1) Oscar: Manny had to go up for is FIRST fight at 147 .... he was one fight away from fighting his 130 fight. Most had Oscar winning this one.... Oscar stated before and after that he had a great training camp but after stated Manny won it because he was the better man ..... So Oscar going down was said to be fair since Manny came up. Hatton: Manny had to come down to fight him .... Cotto: Manny's last fight was at 140 and so Manny had to come back up to fight a 147 again. So he asked Cotto if he can come down to 145 while Manny needs to come back up again for ONLY his second fight at WW. This was only 1lb lower than Cotto's previous fight. Therefore, negligible. Clottey: No catch-weight .... by now Manny and company feel a bit better that they can fight at WW and I'm sure after the fight their confidence grew. Also, your theory is flawed as you pointed out that Manny has been KOing WWs ...... but he has yet to KO anyone at 147 the way he put Hatton away at 140..... Manny won at 147 with speed more than power. None of his last 4 fights would have me conclude your theory. It would be more obvious that Manny's team wasn't sure about being able to fight at WW and had asked for the catch-weight than him taking PEDs ..... especially when there has been NO EVIDENCE that he is on PEDs. So you didn't just start thinking about PEDs ..... you thought about it back then like I said but now are trying to add your theory to try to make yourself believe and others that he must be taking PEDs.

If he is the best p4p fighter and wants to prove it, why not fight the fighters at their proper weight. It seems misleading to say you beat someone at 154 lbs when you want him to fight 4 pounds under the real limit.

Floyd is hiding... Im starting to believe Manny is hiding something...You ask why? I really dont see why he is asking fighters to come in at a catchweight and most of us cant really understand it. Pac asks Cotto to come in at 145 for a 147 lb belt then asks Margarito to come in at 150 for a 154 lb belt. Its starting to look like he is trying to justify his wins or KO's of "bigger guys". Maybe it wont look so fishy to fans if he KO's a bigger guy if he makes them fight at a catch weight hmmmm? I have heard many guys in here Supposedly hardcore fans say, "Pac can beat Margarito at 154 no problem and Cotto at 147 or 154 no problem. Then Why the catchweights? Im starting to think its a smoke screen, becuase if he KO's these guys at their wieght then he will look even more of a freak then he already looks to most. PED? On another note how the hell does Arum defend not fighting PW BRADLEY AND ALEXANDER "because their names are not big enough to draw money" but its OK to fight Clottey and Margarito? WTF Weak... Floyd didn't fought Cotto, Manny fought Cotto and won, only one boxer is hiding right now and it's Floyd hiding from Manny...

Your opinion is fine with me. And if it helps you sleep better...Yes I have been viewing him fishy for a while now. ANY BOXER THAT HAD 90% of his fights in his country (Philippines) and his first 35 or so fights in HIS COUNTRY had a record of 35 wins 2 losses(by KO early)and one draw. Then in his next 10 fights loses again and gets another draw. Then after 40 something fights he starts to peak as he gains weight...CMON!!!! wake up and understand this is not normal....He may be cleaner than you underwear but it looks fishy.:banana: Up until the Sr accusation, honestly never crossed my mind. If it was proven he uses them, then I'll shit on him. If not, then he is just a phenomenal fighter. And I don't lose sleep over anything boxing. Lolz. I know my priorities and boxing is just entertainment for me since I'm no prizefighter.

Hanging by a thread? Really? He's probably getting the biggest check of his career in a PPV bout against a superstar. Seems as if his career is doing pretty great. Compared to where he was a few years ago, I beg to differ. From being the most avoided man in boxing to not even being allowed to box in the US and needing to fight a Top Rank boxer in order to get a payday, seems like a step back to me. My point is that Arum knew he had Margs in a position to take advantage of him and he knew that Margs would accept nearly any and all demands made by Pac's people at this point......he has NO other big fight options.

So you just started to believe or did this happen the second after Floyd told you to start believing? I don't know Floyd personally so he told me nothing, but if your biggest defense is when I started to believe this then I feel good about my theory.

Hanging by a thread? Really? He's probably getting the biggest check of his career in a PPV bout against a superstar. Seems as if his career is doing pretty great. I doubt if he gets the money he would have gotten if his career wasnt hanging by a thrad.

Im starting to believe Manny is hiding something...You ask why? I really dont see why he is asking fighters to come in at a catchweight and most of us cant really understand it. Pac asks Cotto to come in at 145 for a 147 lb belt then asks Margarito to come in at 150 for a 154 lb belt. Its starting to look like he is trying to justify his wins or KO's of "bigger guys". Maybe it wont look so fishy to fans if he KO's a bigger guy if he makes them fight at a catch weight hmmmm? I have heard many guys in here Supposedly hardcore fans say, "Pac can beat Margarito at 154 no problem and Cotto at 147 or 154 no problem. Then Why the catchweights? Im starting to think its a smoke screen, becuase if he KO's these guys at their wieght then he will look even more of a freak then he already looks to most. PED? On another note how the hell does Arum defend not fighting PW BRADLEY AND ALEXANDER "because their names are not big enough to draw money" but its OK to fight Clottey and Margarito? WTF So you just started to believe (PEDs) or did this happen the second after Floyd told you to start believing?

My point is that Marg's will bend to Pac's will just to get a paycheck, Pac will get his usual cash regardless. Margs' career may indeed be hanging by a thread which further enforces the fact that he will give in to whatever Arum says he needs to in order to get that check. The catchweight thing is just to make it easier on Pac...I think Pac would face him at 154 but why if he is willing to fight at 150? Pac has the bargaining power in this fight and Aum is taking advantage of it......it has nothing to do with PEDS That theory is fine but he did it to Cotto too. IF the majority belief is that Pac would beat Cotto at 147 or 154 and Margarito at 154...then whats the deal with him taking a beating from the fans ? Why would he throw himself under the bus for nothing? Im sticking to the smokescreen theory.

My point is that Marg's will bend to Pac's will just to get a paycheck, Pac will get his usual cash regardless. Margs' career may indeed be hanging by a thread which further enforces the fact that he will give in to whatever Arum says he needs to in order to get that check. The catchweight thing is just to make it easier on Pac...I think Pac would face him at 154 but why if he is willing to fight at 150? Pac has the bargaining power in this fight and Aum is taking advantage of it......it has nothing to do with PEDS Hanging by a thread? Really? He's probably getting the biggest check of his career in a PPV bout against a superstar. Seems as if his career is doing pretty great.

Margarito says he struggled to make 147 against Mosley. well im sure he struggles every time to make it he's a big dude. i don't think there was any real difference when he fought mosley and any of his other fights the only difference was he got clobbered. anytime a fighter loses out come the excuses about being weight drained, my colon fell out, unlucky socks etc...