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That's the most upsetting part to me as well when they try to put that fraud up there with Hearns, Duran, Hagler, the Sugar's, Whittaker, and even a Prime ODLH would have KTFO pac easily. It's sad to see such disrespect to real greats. A few years ago I had an argument with some Pacfans who were adamant Pacquiao would beat a prime Julio Cesar Chavez at light or junior welter, and a prime Sal Sanchez at feather. Talk about knowing absolutely nothing about the sport.

Clean punching Effective aggression Ring Generalship Defense Those are the four criteria to judge professinonal boxing fights. I don't think there's any doubt Márquez dominated RG and DEF on the vast majority of rounds. He dictated the pace and cleanly blocked most of Manny's punches. His defense was stellar, really. While Pac appeared to be the aggressor throughout the whole fight, Márquez was clearly the most effective one, landing the crispier, more damaging punches while missing on target less frequently. Manny´s only advantage would be on clean punching, even though a lot of his punches that were either innocuous or even phantom (can't believe some of the "shots" Lampley called). That's it. That's how you should score any professional prizefight. Based on these four criteria, anyone giving Many over six rounds just doesn't quite grasp this concept. The tie score was borderline fair. The 115 - 113 score was dumb, and the 116 - 112 score was downright embarassing. Those two cards were filled before the fight. Pacquiao lost, plain and simple, and Márquez was robbed of a much deserved decision because there was too much money to be lost otherwise. Any observer not invested (financially or emotionally) on Pacquiao knows as much.

Like Maxboxing's Gabriel Montoya said, "The filipino bias is horrific here, folks. Manny lost. Plain and simple.

You don't have to ask that question anyway. You just have to look at his face to know if he got beat bad or not? Nah, Morales's face always looks like the Elephant man's after every fight, whether it's against Pac or Guty Espadas. Actually when they quote Eric he never says anything about retirement. He says that he will look patiently into his future and then decide what he'll do. I guess retirement is an option, but more likely a really long rest.

isnt chavez the guy who killed johnson? Yes he is. How can people call Barrera a coward when he goes up in weight and takes on this guy is beyond me. Just goes to show their lack of boxing knowledge.

It's easy for you to say when you're not the one facing a life threatening injury. The last fight with PAC obviously got him destroyed and boxing is never a kind sport. I didn't say he should fight again, nor did I say he should retire. Whatever he decides, I'm fine with it, as I'm sure are all his other fans. I just stated that he didn't mention anything about retirement, not on that interview anyway.

If Corrales never made the weight, everyone would be complaining about it. Um, no. No one would've cared, because he would have still been KTFO by the way better boxer.

What browser are you using? It works best in IE. I'm using explorer, but I can't see it.

Get real man. That is not racial slur. He called a Mexican Biased. I don't see any racial slur. You're right. That was not a racial slur Fuck you biased Mexican assholes. You're just down after that Morales thrashing and looking for some hero to represent your people, but all you have is dirty fighters to praise. You are PATHETIC. This is a racial slur. Hope he gets banned.

use his jab, counter, move, and stay off the ropes. Exactly. People forget this is the same Morales who actually beat Manny quite handily on their first bout. You talk like Erik's got no chance.

Corrales got KTFO and there's no way around it. A picture perfect left hook. Why do you make excuses when you boy didn't?

Sanchez.... A great fighter....but overrated because of his untimely death. In between his biggest wins....were tough, distance-going fighters who were obliterated by other fighters. Sanchez barely beat Pat Ford. He won a very close decision over him. The same Pat Ford was brutally dissected & stopped by Eusebio Pedroza. Pat Cowdell......made Sanchez look ordinary, taking Sal the route. The same Pat Cowdell was knocked unconscious in one round by Azumah Nelson. Sanchez struggled terribly with guys who didn't play right into his counterpunching hands. Danny Lopez was so ready to be taken, when Sanchez took him. "Little Red" was the personification of a face-first fighter. Wilfredo Gomez ? A great win for Sal....but let's remember that all of Gomez's great work was done at 122. Nelson was a 13-fight substitute when he gave Sanchez all he could handle. A more seasoned, mature Nelson would have defeated Sanchez. Chavez.....dominated 130, before a struggle to make weight forced him to rise. So...what did this "fraud" do ? He went up to 135, where he completely destroyed Edwin Rosario. All Rosario was at the time....was a conscensus top 5 lb4lber, & arguably the sport's biggest hitter. Chavez gave him one of history's worst beatings. Chavez moved up to 140....& engaged in a classic battle with the sport's second-best fighter, Meldrick Taylor. Yeah.....he moved up & did this. The fight was controversial, indeed. But, it was incredibly well fought. How would have Sanchez done if he moved to 130 & fought a 130lb version of Meldrick Taylor ? He'd have lost, considering he struggled with guys half as talented as Meldrick, down at 126. Chavez lost to Whitaker. Pernell Whitaker is one of the greatest fighters ever, & is considered one of the best pure boxers of all time. I'm not telling you Sanchez was not great. He was. But, his death, & the fact that so many on here weren't around while he was champ, has lead many to completely overrate him. Chavez won three titles.....& fought the best competition out there. Call him a "fraud" ? Anyone who does so, is a fraud of a fight fan. Here's the thing: Sal always used to box down to the level of the fighter in turn. That's why he always seemed to have problems with lesser opposition, and stand up to the ocassion when he had to fight greats, like Gomez and Nelson, or very goods, like Laporte or Lil Red. That used to annoy the shit out of his trainer and most of his fans. Still, you won't find too many boxers with that kind of resume before their 24th birthday. I do think Chava is the best fighter this land has ever produced, with Chavez a very close second. JCC's curriculum is by far the best, that's for sure.

Poor Chico fans, that textbook left hook keeps lingering on their heads. I have never seen such sore losers. Your boy got KTFO, get over it. If it wasn't for the 30 seconds that Weeks felt convenient to give Chico after the second Knock down, he'd be 0 for 2 vs Castillo

That is what that stupid writer says and you easily believe it more than basic common sense. lol! It's probably one of those stupid writers who ate their word when PAC destroyed Morales. lol! No wonder he's sour-graping. Just further proof that a) you know absolutely nothing about boxing, and b) you're a fucking retard. You clearly don't know, nor have you ever read anything written by or about Katz. Saying MAB is a hall of famer and a warrior is sour grapes? Huh? Katz actually picked Pacquiao to beat Morales. What would he be sour-graping about? You have absolutely no respect or knowledge about anything in boxing other than Pacquiao. You're the very definition of a bandwagoner of the worst kind. Do you realize that you can root for your boy and still acknowledge all the other warriors who risk their lives every time out, like the rest of us do? Not one expert, writer or journalist has said anything about Barrera being a coward or ducking Pacquiao. Not a single one. Neither have most boxing aficionados around the world. The only retarded fucks that keep spilling that same drivel are Pacman's nuthuggers. That in itself is telling.

JLC will definitely be somewhere in the top 10 by the end of his career. He is what one envisions when they think about what it means to be a great mexican fighter. He carries on the tradition with pride. Margarito has a long way to go. Should he beat a couple of guys at 147, avenge his "loss" to Santos, and then ruffle some feathers at 154 I think he could be on the list somewhere. I think Rafael Marquez could get in the top 10 (he's close already) by moving up to 122 and winning a world title there. If longevity is an issue, I can see how Sanchez is not ranked higher. He did beat Lil Red, Laporte, Bazooka and the Professor before his 24th birthday, so that's gotta count for something

no he didn't, pac made a strong statement in the last couple rounds of that fight, i really wish alot of people on this board would go back and watch that fight again.. i'm tired of people saying Marquez "dominated" the fight after the 1st round, total bs. He didn't dominate Pac, but I had him winning 7 of the last 11 rounds after the first. I scored it 113 - 113. I have to say I originally scored it 114 - 112 for JMM, but after watching the fight again I had to change my scorecard.

And it's funny that you talk about cheating when Corrales spit his mouth protector two times, just to buy some time and not get KOed. Is that not cheating? Yet Corrales won it fair and square.

I don't care if that article was written by Michael Katz, Dan Rafael, George Bush or Saddam Hussein. Everybody are biased, that's a fact. And that article is intended to cover up Barrera's damaged reputation. :) Why would Katz try to cover Barrera's "damaged" reputation? He's the most independent scribe there is in the sport. He doesn't respond to ANY interest but his own criteria. You should read him some time, it's both fun and enlightening. And by the way, he chose to go up in weight before Morales-Pac II. You make it seem the other way around. I haven't read anything in Mexico where it says Morales wants a rubber match right away, but if it's for real, then it's clearly a mistake. You can talk about pride and everything but it's a mistake, both from a boxing and a business standpoint. He won't be fully recovered from the savage workload he's had in the last two years, and the fight won't be as atractive to fans. It's not a good career move and there's no way around it.

let me ask you, he's a writer and any writer has his own prejudice opinion on a lot of things, does he share the majority of opinions of his colleagues in maxboxing? i certainly doubt it if he does. Everyone at Maxboxing.com share the opinion that Barrera is a true warrior. I haven't read a single article, be it on Maxboxing or anywhere else, where it says Barrera is ducking Pacquiao. That fight was gonna be made until that piece of garbage Arum excercised the rubber match clause right away, just to take money off DLH and Barrera's hands. And about the Chavez fight, it's all about the HBO date, plain and simple. He has a date to honour and that's why he's not fighting Pacquiao right away. If Pac could be ready on such a short period of time, he'd be fighting MAB on March 25. It's quite clear yet you fail to see it. Actually Barrera should be praised here, because he's taking a hell of a tuneup for the Pac fight.

Castillo will beat Cotto, but Miguel would have a field day with Zab.

I always maintain that if Zoom got a rematch when he was more well schooled and when he had refined his skills he would have beaten Sal. He was SO raw when he fought him in their first bout and gave him all he could handle. Sal used to box down to the level of his particular opponent. He never overwhelmed them, he just did enough to win. Always. That's why he used to go the distance with journeymen. Nelson would have never beaten a prime Chava.

Sal used to box down to the level of his particular opponent. He never overwhelmed them, he just did enough to win. Always. That's why he used to go the distance with journeymen. Nelson would have never beaten a prime Chava. By the way, not trying to imply that the Professor was a journeyman, by any means. Just saying that Sal used to adapt to the circumstances, as he would have done had he fought Zoom a second time.

Lets not say things that we can't take back. In his prime, Kostya was simply awesome, watch fights when he was at his best. At this point Castillo(although great himself) is not on Kostyas level. IMO Kostya was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, meaning being at light welter when the division was at an all-time low in terms of talent. There was absolutely no one except a faded JCC and Miguel Angel Gonzalez. He had three legit world class opponents, and he lost to one of them.

Damn I can't watch it, aaaargh. So what should I do to see it, again?

Corrales won within the rules, Castillo didn't. It's like saying Trinidad didn't REALLY beat Vargas or Castillo didn't REALLY beat Casamayor because they threw low blows. Shit, they didn't even lose POINTS for it. Fuck you biased Mexican assholes. You're just down after that Morales thrashing and looking for some hero to represent your people, but all you have is dirty fighters to praise. You are PATHETIC. You're a fucking retard. Your boy got KTFO, it's about time you get over it. Both Corrales and Castillo extended the rules and it played in their favor each time. Good for them. The third fight will settle this up.

Ill watch the fight again tommorrow and look for that left hook, but there were many other punches that he took that proved that his chin was top caliber. I never saw him get connected as cleanly as that time. Not by Gomez anyway.

Gomez is the all time greatest junior feather, hands down. It's not even close. There is no other all time great who has such a clear edge in his division.

Do you remember what Chava said in the post-fight interview by Carlos Palomino? Palomino asked Chava about Wilfredo's punch. I'll try to quote from memory. "Efectivamente. Nunca me lastimó, pero inmediatamente se siente la pesadez de sus puños. I never saw the post fight interview. Carlos Palomino, another ring great. I'm pretty sure Chava was hurt. Fighters just never seem to acknowledge it. And there was also some bad blood between those two.

Just one question: how can you be so sure this idiot writer is Mexican? I mean, there are more than a dozen countries he could be from.

Yes, I have that fight. By the way, I agree with what you say about Salvador's fights. With the exception of Danny López, other premier fighters gave him some trouble. However, Chava's tenacity and skill got him the wins. Yesterday, I watched Chava vs. Rubén Castillo and scored it 143-142 for Salvador. I had it 133-133 and Chava won the last round to get the decision. I honestly think Chava always boxed down to the skill of the opponent in turn. I know I'm not alone in that assumption. Sal used to piss his fans off, but especially his trainer (whose name I don't remember) by not boxing at the top of his skill every time. Watch the fight again and see if you notice this: in the 8th round, during Chava's last barrage of punches, there's this one textbook, desperation left hook that Gomez lands ever so clearly right on Sal's chin. Now, outside of Sandy Saddler, Gomez might be the single hardest puncher ever, pound for pound, in the lower divisions. And I'm telling you, that hook landed right on the spot. That single punch tells me that, besides his incredible all around ability, Chava had a chin for the ages. Which also leads me to think that he would have been more than competitive vs. Arguello at 130, but that's a whole different story.