K.O. Magazine's "20 Greatest Mexican Fighters" List

No Manchester Mexican? Buuuuuuuullshit!

K.O.'s sister magazine "Boxing 2006" just came in the mail today, and in it is a list thats very interesting..thought I'd share it with those that dont get that mag. :) "20 Greatest Mexican Fighters" #1 Julio Cesar Chavez 108-6-2 (87) #2 Ruben Olivares 88-13-3 (78) #3 Miguel Canto 61-9-4 (15) #4 Carlos Zarate 61-4 (58) #5 Salvador Sanchez 44-1-1 (32) #6 Vicente Saldivar 38-3 (27) #7 Ricardo Lopez 50-0-1 (38) #8 Kid Azteca (Luis V. Paramo) 196-39 (79) #9 Jose Becerra 71-5-2 (42) #10 Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez 41-3 (29) #11 Baby Arizmendi 70-26-13 (12) #12 Pipino Cuevas 35-15 (31) #13 Chalky Wright 150-40-15 (75) #14 Juan Zurita 113-22-2 (37) #15 Carlos Palomino 31-4-3 (19) #16 Jose Luis Ramirez 102-9 (82) #17 Lupe Pintor 56-14-2 (42) #18 Daniel Zaragoza 55-8-3 (28) #19 Rodolfo Gonzalez 81-7-1 (70) #20 Jesus Pimentel 77-7 (68) So many of them fought long ago, and some careers ended early because of premature death, etc. If you guys have any questions (that the mag. may possibly answer) just post them and I'll answer them in the morning :)) old school tracylee, hope you post soon one day

pintor was just teeing off on owens, he was completely out on his feet. when pintor would land the sweat was flying off johnny, it was a real ugly fight. he slipped into a coma immediately after the fight and never woke up again thats so sad. The price some of them pay for doing what we all love :(

they mention that particular fight in the section on him, saying he dies 2 mo's later due to brain injuries from the fight :( pintor was just teeing off on owens, he was completely out on his feet. when pintor would land the sweat was flying off johnny, it was a real ugly fight. he slipped into a coma immediately after the fight and never woke up again

Sal used to box down to the level of his particular opponent. He never overwhelmed them, he just did enough to win. Always. That's why he used to go the distance with journeymen. Nelson would have never beaten a prime Chava. By the way, not trying to imply that the Professor was a journeyman, by any means. Just saying that Sal used to adapt to the circumstances, as he would have done had he fought Zoom a second time.

I always maintain that if Zoom got a rematch when he was more well schooled and when he had refined his skills he would have beaten Sal. He was SO raw when he fought him in their first bout and gave him all he could handle. Sal used to box down to the level of his particular opponent. He never overwhelmed them, he just did enough to win. Always. That's why he used to go the distance with journeymen. Nelson would have never beaten a prime Chava.

If longevity is an issue, I can see how Sanchez is not ranked higher. He did beat Lil Red, Laporte, Bazooka and the Professor before his 24th birthday, so that's gotta count for something Yeah...he had a pretty full career in terms of fights by this generations standards. I always maintain that if Zoom got a rematch when he was more well schooled and when he had refined his skills he would have beaten Sal. He was SO raw when he fought him in their first bout and gave him all he could handle.

JLC will definitely be somewhere in the top 10 by the end of his career. He is what one envisions when they think about what it means to be a great mexican fighter. He carries on the tradition with pride. Margarito has a long way to go. Should he beat a couple of guys at 147, avenge his "loss" to Santos, and then ruffle some feathers at 154 I think he could be on the list somewhere. I think Rafael Marquez could get in the top 10 (he's close already) by moving up to 122 and winning a world title there. If longevity is an issue, I can see how Sanchez is not ranked higher. He did beat Lil Red, Laporte, Bazooka and the Professor before his 24th birthday, so that's gotta count for something

JLC will definitely be somewhere in the top 10 by the end of his career. He is what one envisions when they think about what it means to be a great mexican fighter. He carries on the tradition with pride. Margarito has a long way to go. Should he beat a couple of guys at 147, avenge his "loss" to Santos, and then ruffle some feathers at 154 I think he could be on the list somewhere. I think Rafael Marquez could get in the top 10 (he's close already) by moving up to 122 and winning a world title there.

not just you, I have no problem with castillo and margarito both being pretty well placed on the future list ;) Margarito still has some big fights to win-his resume pails in comparison to JLC. Too bad Tony didnt get a shot at Zab (before Carlos)-that fight would have lasted a round or 2 and made Mr. Margarito a very rich man.

Jose Luis Castillo is a guy who by a majority of expert accounts holds a win over the unbeatable Floyd Mayweather Jr....plus wins over many other outstanding fighters. His torrid pace in the last 5 years is second to none...if Castillo finds a way to become the man at 140 which is certainly possible where does he rank? I might be a biased JLC guy but lets just say it would be pretty fucking high! not just you, I have no problem with castillo and margarito both being pretty well placed on the future list ;)

Jose Luis Castillo is a guy who by a majority of expert accounts holds a win over the unbeatable Floyd Mayweather Jr....plus wins over many other outstanding fighters. His torrid pace in the last 5 years is second to none...if Castillo finds a way to become the man at 140 which is certainly possible where does he rank? I might be a biased JLC guy but lets just say it would be pretty fucking high!

....Sanchez should be higher than #5 IMO. He did enough before his passing to warrant it. I was floored to not see him directly below Chavez.

Sounds like a good read i might have to get my hands on it. add to all that, theres coverage on the upcoming fights...Mosely-Vargas, Lacy-Calzaghe (head to head type article..listing both weak and strong points) and a very fair article on the Marquez bro's and the promotional problems they've had. Great stuff! :D

....Sanchez should be higher than #5 IMO. He did enough before his passing to warrant it.

lupe pintor was a big puncher, i'll never forget seeing him beat johnny " the matchstick man" owens to death, i think i have the clip somewhere they mention that particular fight in the section on him, saying he dies 2 mo's later due to brain injuries from the fight :(

hahaha not quite...matter of fact, once retired, there seems to be no question that both will definately be on the next list. This is quote-unquote what the mag. says about it: "The criterion: Only Mexican nationals are included. No Mexican-American or faux-Mexicans. If you werent born in Mexico, you dont make the list, so guys like Jose Napoles, who adopted Mexico as his country even though he was Cuban, doesnt make the cut. Conversely, Carlos Palomino, who was born in Mexico but lived and fought primarily in the U.S., does. Next, no active fighters are included (we are considering Julio Cesar Chavez' most recent retirement final). YOU WONT FIND MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA HERE OR ERIK MORALES OR THE MARQUEZ BROTHERS. If a guy hasnt retired yet we cant view his career and the business he got done in the proper context. DONT CRY FOR THOSE GUYS, THOUGH; SOME DAY SOMEONE WILL DO THIS AGAIN AND THEY'LL MAKE THAT LIST. Lastly, the fighters were rated and ranked according to their scores in several categories: longevity, winning percentage, big-fight performance, quality of opposition, and activity level. Or, in other words, how well they sustained a high level of performance over a long period of time. Thats the mark of greatness: sustained excellence." This is easily the best Boxing 200? Mag. I've recieved...before the list is given, there is very high praise to the Mexican fight fan and their unbeatable knowledge of the sport, etc. This mag. is thicker than the usual, and is full of great articles, etc. I would very much recommend getting it if you can. Sounds like a good read i might have to get my hands on it.

Barrera and Morales are not on the list because they were sadly beaten by a one-trick pony and a one-dimensional bum in Manny Pacquiao. hahaha not quite...matter of fact, once retired, there seems to be no question that both will definately be on the next list. This is quote-unquote what the mag. says about it: "The criterion: Only Mexican nationals are included. No Mexican-American or faux-Mexicans. If you werent born in Mexico, you dont make the list, so guys like Jose Napoles, who adopted Mexico as his country even though he was Cuban, doesnt make the cut. Conversely, Carlos Palomino, who was born in Mexico but lived and fought primarily in the U.S., does. Next, no active fighters are included (we are considering Julio Cesar Chavez' most recent retirement final). YOU WONT FIND MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA HERE OR ERIK MORALES OR THE MARQUEZ BROTHERS. If a guy hasnt retired yet we cant view his career and the business he got done in the proper context. DONT CRY FOR THOSE GUYS, THOUGH; SOME DAY SOMEONE WILL DO THIS AGAIN AND THEY'LL MAKE THAT LIST. Lastly, the fighters were rated and ranked according to their scores in several categories: longevity, winning percentage, big-fight performance, quality of opposition, and activity level. Or, in other words, how well they sustained a high level of performance over a long period of time. Thats the mark of greatness: sustained excellence." This is easily the best Boxing 200? Mag. I've recieved...before the list is given, there is very high praise to the Mexican fight fan and their unbeatable knowledge of the sport, etc. This mag. is thicker than the usual, and is full of great articles, etc. I would very much recommend getting it if you can.

whoa almost got riled up when I dont saw the 3Ms on the list specially Erik ... so no active figthers on the list ... aside from the 3Ms who do you guys think will crash in the top 20? Maybe Castillo?

hook it up man. if i remember, next time will have a look for that cd and bring the shit