I have said over and over from the day the fight was made that it would be the ugliest, most boring fight you could imagine between two great fighters. Not a suprise to me at all. Hopkins HAD to fight that way to have a chance to win.
Agree totally. People should have realised that Hopkins was gonna do what he did. I personally dont find that to be excusable, I though Hopkins was a sick joke to be honest. He is a really dirty fighter and an incredibly boring fighter. Had Calzaghe not been coming forward Hopkins would have been content to go backwards all night even if the crowd had been booing since round 2 onwards. He doesnt give a shit and that is why I have been saying for the last 2 or 3 years that the guy is bad for boxing. A neutral watching that would have turned off after round 3.
In saying that Calzaghe didnt impress me either. He was far too confident going in, got fucking chinned in the first and proceeded to make the same mistakes Hatton made against Mayweather. He should have known that lunging in and missing was only gonna end in a clintch.
Hopkins doesnt make fighters fight his fight out of skill. They fight his fight because they feel the need to go forward or face boos from the crowd. They have to make the fight against him because he is such a negative boring cunt. Absolutely hate Hopkins (as im sure you can tell), have dont for some time now and I hope he fucking retires. Everyone is going on about a great effort from a 43 year old. I dont know, I found it to be very soul destroying to be honest. He did fuck all but go back and hug, headbutt and arm lock from round 4 on.
Totally agree with you. He is broing as fuck but I dont think PAC would land much on him. And if Guzman grew a pair of balls, with the speed he displayed against Barrios he could fucking do damage to PAC. But not surprisingly Freddie Roach will never let that fight happen as he said himself. "its not that Guzman is better than Manny, its just that styles mkake fights and his doesnt suit Manny2 says Roach. Hahaha he knows what would happen.
Hopkins biggest wins were over smaller guys who moved up several weight classes (Winky, De La Hoya, Tito) and the top names he's faced that are his size (Jones, Taylor) he lost to.
Eubank, Lacy and Kessler are indeed better wins at SMW than Tito and DLH were at MW, and Winky at a catch weight 25 pounds over his natural weight. Tito, DLH and Winky are great fighters at their natural weight, but have been proven to to mediocre at MW.
There's no doubt about it. Agree totally with Calzaghe. Hopkins record of opponents is actually quite poor. Im glad somebody has finally come out and pointed this out. He is a spoiler, cagey fighter. But I dont think he is nearly as good as he thinks he is.
Que all the Hopkins nuthuggers. And by the way it is well documented now that it was the rpime Hopkins who was not interested in fighting Calzaghe. That cant be disputed anymore.
115-112 JMM. Not disappointed in the result, many of the rounds were razor thin...
I am disappointed tho. While some of the rounds were razor thin and you have Manny's 10-8 round, there were so many rounds that you just couldnt make a case for Manny winning. Thrwoing punches that graze your opponents head are not good enough.
Look at Manny himself after the fight. He thought he lost. It was like Barrera in the 2nd Morales fight. He knew he lost and was surprised when he got the verdict.
Manny won because he landed more punches per round. Isn't that how fights are scored? Who ever lands the most punches per round usually wins the fight right? It's not won by Marquez looking amazing in the last round and thats about it.
What the fuck are you talking about he threw and landed more? What fight were you watching? And no its not how boxing is scored. If someone lands jabs but nothing else in a round. Yet the other guys lands a couple of solid combinations, who wins the round. The guy who threw jabs landed more. There is a distinction between certain kinds of punches, punch quality and the damage they do. So no that isnt how fights are scored. Yes in amateur boxing, nit in the pro game.
It was a close fight that went to split decision by one point, people screeming robbery don't know what a "Robbery" in boxing is.
Marquez blew it in round 8 when Pac coulden't see well and was there for the taking, oh well it was a great fight and Im glad both guys made it out without getting too hurt.
I agree it was defo close. But come on here guys. We all know that PAC didnt win the fight. Someone on here please make a case for PAC winning that fight. Yes he had the knockdown (brutal one too) but for fuck sake everything in between was JMM. I won over £85 bucks tonite on PAC but I know he didnt win. Even Manny knows that. Thats why he was screaming and nearly crying at the end. Pure shock. PAC didnt win that fight, no fucking way!
There is a way for you to come across with credible points without exposing yourself as a complete fool/tool, Read all my previous post not once did i say Hatton should fight Witter straight after Mayweather, We the british public want the fight expect for idiots like you (Hatton dickriders who i dont class as fans anyway), Hatton has come out and said Witter isnt in his plan which mean NO matter what Witter does Hatton would alway have an excuse to Duck the fight, Hatton has the power(Media) and fan base to avoid this fight for ever. I dont care what Hatton cumdrinkers like you says I have Zero respect for Hatton until he takes the Witter fight(Win or lose).
Should have read your post more carefull mate, full apologies. have to admit I just kinda glanced at it. Apologies!
HBO are a fucking disgrace. My blood was boiling after a few rounds. How many of JMM's counters could they talk over and ignore. Then every time Manny threw, but didnt land, they were fucking cumming all over the place. Im not even a JMM fan but I am fucked off big time. Why cant they just commentate fairly? Its clear to me that these fuckers have an agenda and I will never wathc HBO again (if I have a choice that is).
nah nah this is all bullshit. from what i heard from wildcard morales, barrera and marquez's team all gathered to discover all pacquiao's weaknesses. they all teamed up to destroy pacquiao that is why up until now no one has seen pacquiao's training in youtube or any other websites unlike before. this is all part of the hype dont be fooled by it. if i know maybe barrera didnt even say "i will bet on you" maybe he said "u will go down" barrera is a mexican and a filipino beat him now why would he be on that side of team when he is a mexican? he has been friends with jmm before now why would he suddenly do that? common sense guys, common sense
Hahaha common sense indeed, you should get some. Barrera meeting with Morales to help JMM beat PAC blahahahahahaha thats the funniest shit ive ever heard. But the most ridiculous things you just said was that "up until now no one has seen pacquiao's training in youtube or any other websites unlike before"........are you nuts. Pacquiao's training has been all over the internet. Youtube is full of his training for this fight. Common sense indeed!!!!!! I hope your post was actually sarcastic, if so, I apologise for that. But if it wasnt you are clearly mental!
What are you people on about? Barrera has just said- my heart is with JMM and I want JMM to win. But I think Pacquiao will win. What the fuck is wrong with that you dicks. Grow up. Barrera is a dirty fighter- Yes! What the fuck has that got to do with this. He wants JMM to win but he thinks Manny will win. There are many many people who think exactly the same. Quit with this ignorant shit about being a traitor.
As for the Hatton thing, he was supporting a friend. Barrera went to see Castillo before the fight and explained why he was in Hattons corner and Castillo said there was no problem. The dicks talking about Barrera being a traitor need to grow the fuck up.
Juan Manuel Marquez beat Barrera but it was a close enough fight. I thought that was the fight when Barrera slipped overnight. Look at his body for that fight, his speed compared to the second Juarez fight. Big difference. I thought Barrera won the first 4 rounds but JMM took over from there.
I thought tonight JMM won by 2 or 3 rounds. PAC fans need to come into the real world and stop calling everyone sore losers. It is they who cannot admit their man lost. Even Manny thought he lost. Christ he was practically crying with shock when the verdict was read. Their is no shame in admitting your man got beat. I am a big Barrera fan and always have been. But he got beat by JMM and I have no problme admitting that. You shoudl do the same!!!!
You can only fool people for a while, We just had Haye/Maccarinelli in an all british showdown, Haye could have use all the excuses in the world to avoid the fight but he didnt, I would never respect Hatton until he takes the Witter(Win or lose just take the Fuc****) fight.
This is the guy that claims he fight for the people but wouldnt give the people the fight they have been begging for 8 years now.
People like you are complete dickheads mate. Why do boxing fans like you show a complete lack of reason. Are you telling me you would expect Hatton to come off a career chattering loss and confifence killing loss and jump straight into a fight with Witter? If you are your a dick. Who the fuck has been begging for a Witter fight for 8 years. That is pure lies and you know it. Until very recently people didnt give a shit, apart from the few who wanted to see hatton beat the tar outa Witter (I think Witter beats Hatton by ko). Get some perspective mate. You are a twat if you are telling me you dont respect Hatton because he hasnt taken a fight with Witter YET. Wise up.
Any of you dopey cunts ever heard of napping?
2 hours extra sleep around 4pm, and you'll be fine for tonight.
What time do you think the fight will be on UK time so I can set my alarm. Cheers!
Platinummatt - I think tha qoute you have on your signature is pure bullshit! I would love you to tell me who said it so I can be sure to ridicule them whenever I hear their name!
Khan has a fighters heart for sure. But one thing you cant really work on is your chin, you are stuck with it! And he got flattened by a pretty poor puncher!!!!!!!!!!
For me its JCC, I dont think there is much doubt about that! However I do think Ricardo Lopez runs him close! Sanchez would have been immense had he lived. I know Barrera's favourite mexican fighter of all time was Sanchez! I think Barrera will be ranked well up there. I have always favoured him over Morales, and I think the fact that he won there series will ensure that he is placed over Morales in any official lists! Barrera for me will always rank highly becaus eof the many wars he has had, and the many times he has come back from the brink of defeat! He to me is a legend!!!!!!!
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=7574&part=sports
Dude I just downloaded sopcast version 2.4 to use on this link you gave and I was watching some golf. How reliable is it! Also it says start time 03.00- this may be a dumb question but is that UK time? Thanks bro!
joes a fraud. Trying to fight an old ass hopkins instead of kessler. Fuck him, he wanted no part of kessler. After the fight he talked about fighting hopkins or jermaine taylor. Fucking kessler is leaps better then those two and he has belts. Fuck calfraud.
You are full of shit mate! You clearly havent a clue what you are talking about! Kessler has turned down an offer to fight Calzaghe this summer.......so it isnt Joe who is ducking anybody! Kessler is not leaps better than those two so wipe the shit of your mouth.........fool!
Just read this tody from Calzaghe
Although Calzaghe wasn't keen on looking past Manfredo, 26-3, he did say that he was still intent on meeting either Kessler or Taylor.
"They are the two fights I want," said 35-year-Calzaghe. "Kessler only looked good against an average fighter last time. He beat Markus Beyer but he'd sold himself to the highest bidder. 100% I'll fight the guy."
Good because he will beat Kessler, who is looking as good as Lacy did beating over the hill opponents, but will get beaten by Calzaghe!
Manfredo fight should be good for the first 6 rounds, but Calzaghe will take over then.
Everyone knew he was crap, the point is why did he fight him?...
Whether you like it or not, Manfredo is well known in America and it was a showcase fight for Calzaghe again. You are mouthing off about nothing! Why is Manny fighting Solis when we all know he is shit too? You are living in fantasy land expecting big fights all the time......we all know boxing doesnt work that way!
Well, i thought rabbit punching is punching the dude in the side of the neck. He did that alot. Watch for it. When I googled rabbit punching. They consider it the neck region and the back of the head
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_punches
Guess im not going to get a response back now since it says rabbit punching is illegal. And it says the neck is rabbit punching aswell as the back of the head... hmmm... i don't remember calz getting any point deductions for doing it
WTF! Are you now suggesting that all fighters who hit someone on the neck get DQ? What are you on....are you taking the piss or being serious? Do you expect fighters to have radar like accuracy on everypunch. If you are fighting in the heat of battle it is 100% likely that you are gonna hit someone on the side of the neck with a stray punch! Its only when it is obvious and malicious that the ref should step in!
Denmark? Suprising...
Haha though I am never 100% trusting of Warren, this rams two fingers up to all the mouths on boxing message boards who kept insisting that Calzaghe was afraid of him! Eat your words! Now hes gonna expose Kessler like he did Lacy!
Man, I just logged on today, but man Kessler is the real sh1t! Now I see why Joe has ducked this guy. Calzaghe is nothing but a paper champion waiting to be shredded to smitherins by Manfredo Jr or Kessler.
sorry if this has been discussed before. :)
Ah man stop jumping on the bandwagon and use your head a minute. Yes Kessler is good, but quit with the disrespect your showing Calzaghe. There is no reason why you would be going about mouthing that Manfredo MIGHT have a chance of shredding Calzaghe. That part of your post made me want to piss my pants......and im sorry to say I didnt take anything you said after that seriously at all.
Why couldnt you just say..... "hey I seen Kessler fighting and he looks great this guy has a great chance of beating Calzaghe"?
Alos stop with the ducking CRAP! Calzaghe has said before that he will fight Kessler and just today Warren said that after Manfredo (who he will obviously beat) JOE HAS SAID HE WANTS TO UNIFY THE BELTS AGAINST KESSLER! Please make these silly statements stop?
I hope this will silence the conspiracy theorists saying he was ducking Kessler. Shocking how many were saying such stuff with no evidence to back it up apart from the fact that the fight hasnt taken place......YET! Yes, Warren saying this doesnt mean it will happen, but it shows that the man is NOT ducking Kessler!
Bernard Dunne - Whats the kid all about, how far can he go?
For some reason ive missed all his fights but i like the sound of him.
Who is a fan of him?
He is a good fighter, got great boxing skills. He came up through the wildcard gym. I remember watching a documentary were Freddie Roach was interviewed about up and coming stars and he said..........there is a kid in the gym who has gotten the better of Pacquiao a few times in sparring, his name is Bernard Dunne look out for him! I havent forgot that.....I think Ian Darke of Sky was the interviewer!
Obviously this was a few years back, but he'll if Roach is saying that you know he must be a decent fighter!
Marquez won the fight. I scored the fight 115-112 for J.M. Marquez, if the knock down was scored for Barerra, it would have gone 114-113 for J.M. Marquez.
Good call mate! I was impressed by Barrera because he was clearly adapting to the fact that he didnt have the same stamina anymore! Marquez for me wasnt very impressive! Plus I think Barrera has shown that his chin is weak!
Watching Barrera's clip again I'm HIGHLY disturbed by the perception of some of the people I have heard comment on this.
Nady knew exactly what he was doing.
Barrera and Marquez were directly in his field of view.
Barrera COST HIMSELF the KD.
He should have been DQ'd!!
Watch it again, those of you who are confused..
I get what youre saying alrite. But I think Jones was worse! Thats the first time i seen it, he stops, throws the right and then a left! Holy shit, that was bad! I also dont think Barrera put a lot into his punch, Jones's left at the end was full blooded!
I like Barrera a lot and it is his temper which makes him so damn good, but he has been silly on so many occasions giving away points! I tell you, Marquez would have been close to being counted out had Barrera backed off (that is also assuming that Nady had woken up and called it a KO).
Marquez won the fight. I scored the fight 115-112 for J.M. Marquez, if the knock down was scored for Barerra, it would have gone 114-113 for J.M. Marquez.
I could see the fight going for jmm or barrera. Judges and the ref were all idiots.
But honestly marco did need to lose a point for hitting a man while he was down. Point being taken away is ok there. Rules say when a fighter hits the floor (slip or knockdown) you can't hit any more, there is no warning needed to take points away. (Note jmm was also hit while on the floor in his 3rd knockdown againts pac, pac lost no points)
But that's also a knockdown so that should of been a 9 8 round. But jmm did have a good round besides being dropped. I don't know if I'm allowed but I made that a 9 9 round.
Over all I think I had it 113 114 for marco, but some rounds could of gone either way, I can say a close victory for jmm is decent scoreing
The Pac fight is the key observation there is no difference! Marquez didnt deserve a 10-8 round it should have been 10-8 for Barrera! The idiots who said it should have been 9-8 for Barrera.............what rules are you judging by????????????????????
1. Barrera's younger than Marquez
2. You had Marquez winning, and he was shown up?
3. Look at the punchstats, keep in mind the difference between Power punches and jabs.
yes i had marquez winning but pretty poorly against an obviously sliding Barrera.............I AM MORE CONVINCED THAN EVER THAT A PRIME BARRERA WOULD HAVE CRUSHED MARQUEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think he meant on how close the fight was...MAB's punch while JMM was down could have cost him the fight if the judges were scoring the fight correctly.
Yeah thats what I meant dude......I probably should have put it better! Just saying that it was closer than people are saying! Great fight I thought!