Did Marquez win????

yeah, since this was upped again, i had JMM clearly winning.. great fight though

To me it looked like JMM definitely won the fight. Not by the wide margins that the ringside judges had it, but i thought he won. He threw the more effective punches and had good ring generalship.

i love barrera as a fighter, great great fighter but theres some times i hate him, for example in the countdown to marquez barrera he says that erik morales gave him a medal because he knew he had lost, when erik moraleshas said thatwhat he really said is that he thought it was a draw(because of the bs knockdown) and a very very good fight and thought barrera deserved some recognition cause he fought a great fight. then he said morales wanted him the third time cause they thought he was shot, truth is morales's people forced him to fight him, morales didnt want to cause he thought he had won the first 2 fights, and you can seee how ill disposed morales was for that 3rd fight, he was head hunting through the first 5 rounds wich ultimately costed him the fight... plus hes dirty when he's losing......

watching it live, i scored the bout 115-112 for Marquez. On second time watching it, i scored it 117-111. Did you guys notice that Barrera was trying to intentionally headbutt Marquez like 4X in round 12... MAB is a BAD SPORTSMANSHIP... he should accept the defeat and look for an rematch. I like Barrera,but he can be a little bitch when things aren't going his way.

No controversy here...Marquez won...

sure buddy you just keep smoking that crack...................you must of been watching another fight cause marquez whooooooooooooooop that ass:duh: marquez did not whoop barrera, it was a close fight :boxing: and i have watched that fight about 6 times, and i still think barrera won by 1 point

The Pac fight is the key observation there is no difference! Marquez didnt deserve a 10-8 round it should have been 10-8 for Barrera! The idiots who said it should have been 9-8 for Barrera.............what rules are you judging by???????????????????? Is it the case, though, that a flash knockdown for a single punch means an automatic 10-8 round? I mean Marquez was on his way to a 10-8 round himself for completely dominating the first two minutes and 45 seconds. Now because he got knocked down you couldn't reasonably call it a 10-8 round, but it's still clear who won the round. The KD was a flash KD, so Marquez won the round 10-9 but loses a point for the KD, so that's 9-9 even. Then Barrera loses a point for hitting while Marquez was down so you get a 9-8 round.

Having just finished watching the fight for a second time I scored it 116-112 for Marquez. First time round I had it 117-111 for Marquez but i was also 4 in the morning and I had 12 stella's down me watching it live, i scored the bout 115-112 for Marquez. On second time watching it, i scored it 117-111. Did you guys notice that Barrera was trying to intentionally headbutt Marquez like 4X in round 12... MAB is a BAD SPORTSMANSHIP... he should accept the defeat and look for an rematch.

becuase it was kd so it should have been 10-8 but there was a 1 point deduction so it was 9-8. As simple as that and no need to talk about my boxing idiocity lol! Sorry mate wasnt trying to be negative.

Having just finished watching the fight for a second time I scored it 116-112 for Marquez. First time round I had it 117-111 for Marquez but i was also 4 in the morning and I had 12 stella's down me

I had it 115-112 Marquez. Fixing the fiasco of the 7th round, I had it 113-113, Draw. This was the type of fight where they both won. They both looked awesome, technically sound and plenty of heart. Very good fight I really would rather see JMM vs. Pac rematch rather than and immediate MAB vs. JMM rematch. Neither of these guys are getting any younger, especially if they were to keep fighting each other. Make MAB fight someone else for his going away fight...some up and comer...Valero? hmmm What would be pretty funny is if MAB went and tried to beat Raheem, just to spite Morales. hahaha. definately wouldnt happen tho, altho i can see him doing somethign like that or along those lines. ________ MARIJUANA TRICHOMES

I think this thread is pretty interesting in itself, showing the good and the bad side of NSB these days. Some people speaking complete sense, others speaking complete nonsense How could you have a 9-8 round with a kd and a point dedeuction? C'mon guys we've all watched enough boxing to know that question doesn't require an answer! Te knockdown makes it a 10-8 round for Barerra and the point deduction makes it 9-8. Unless you make it a 9-9 round since Marquez was winning the round easily until the kd. Its an interesting round.

Ok on my second viewing my score was different by one point. Before I had the first round for Barerra, but after watching it again, I thought it was even. So my final score was 116-113 instead of 115-113. Things I noticed: In a replay of the knockdown you can see Nady in the corner of the picture, and he CLEARLY is in perfect position to see the punch land. I dont know what his problem was with that. JMM finished a lot of exchanges with the last shot, usually a left hook to the head. He also made Barerra pay when he dropped his hands. When Barerra won rounds, it was when he avoided punches and sticked the jab. I can see how someone could have it 116-111 now, but still it was close enough to warrant a rematch.

Ah, when the guy who scores a knock down gets a point deducted? think hes sayin might as well use common sense and understand that both cancel one an others importantce out so its like neither happened point wise that KD was very important to MABs case of winning the fight, pickin his shots

I think this thread is pretty interesting in itself, showing the good and the bad side of NSB these days. Some people speaking complete sense, others speaking complete nonsense How could you have a 9-8 round with a kd and a point dedeuction? C'mon guys we've all watched enough boxing to know that question doesn't require an answer! Ah, when the guy who scores a knock down gets a point deducted?

I think this thread is pretty interesting in itself, showing the good and the bad side of NSB these days. Some people speaking complete sense, others speaking complete nonsense How could you have a 9-8 round with a kd and a point dedeuction? C'mon guys we've all watched enough boxing to know that question doesn't require an answer!

what blew my mind was how at one time when the showed the punches thrown and landed around round 9 i think they were dead even on thrown and only 1 off on landed i was like damn as if it wasnt enough the age weight height reach were so similar That was also a trip! Nobody mentioned that here. I was knocked out by that when they posted the graphic. Wild shit. :eek:

what blew my mind was how at one time when the showed the punches thrown and landed around round 9 i think they were dead even on thrown and only 1 off on landed i was like damn as if it wasnt enough the age weight height reach were so similar

it was close but ya Marquez won it i mean its an odd thing to say it was close but still a clear winner if it wasnt for the KD thered be less debate but the fact is barrera was landing one punch at a time while marquez was using effective combos That's extremely well put. :fing02:

it was close but ya Marquez won it i mean its an odd thing to say it was close but still a clear winner if it wasnt for the KD thered be less debate but the fact is barrera was landing one punch at a time while marquez was using effective combos