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Manny is a devout CATHOLIC not Christian , 2 different things, anyway Mannys just getting old thts all he will retire soon

So let me get this straight, Floyd is getting credit for beating a washed up Mosley , a damaged goods and past prime Cotto, a smaller Marquez who fought at tht weight for the first time, wht other past prime or inexperienced fighter u gonna give him credit for? Canelo? How bout when the welterweight division was swarming with prime guys like Marg, Cotto, Clottey, Williams etc. all fighting eachother yet Floyd did not want any part of those guys instead he retires! We all know he lost to Castillo the first time and Maidana the first time, only reason why he fought Cotto was because Cotto was already damaged from the Marg fight and his face blows up very quickly , he refused his highest pay day at the time to fight Marg b4 Marg started using Plasters, Marg even approached him face to face and Floyd said he would fight him, U gonna give him credit for barely defeating a past prime Delahoya too? which we know tht fight should have at least been a draw, i could go on and on but wht Floyd did was set a precedent for other fighters to pick and choose who to fight just like wht Canelo is doing now with GGG, where do u think Canelo learned tht from? and this is destroying the sport, if Floyd fought in the Leonard, Hagler etc. era he would of got his ass whipped a few times believe tht, also a fighter who refuses to fight in another state because his peds are illegal everywhere else but Las Vegas is a disgrace to the sport. As a matter of fact if u look at Cotto's resume compared to Floyds Cotto faced better competition, the only fighters Floyd should get credit for is Castillo, Maidana and Canelo, maybe even Corrales, remember Cotto is smaller than Floyd so all of yall braggin bout how floyd was the smaller man tht is not true, Floyd is bigger than Cotto but he would never dare fight Martinez, Marg or any middleweight at tht, if he was the best y did he need every single advantage over his opponent? all the way up to not letting his opponent pick his own gloves, y couldnt Pacman get a shot in his shoulder? but floyd in his dressing room shooting up his peds with no problem saying he needs it for his brittle hands lol now thts pathetic lol

Look at Gatti's, Mcguigan, Jeff fenech, many hall of famers resume's and compare it to Mayweather at just 27-28 and his resume is better than theres and several of them G. Hernandez had one loss and was undefeated at 130 when floyd beat him at 21.....he was the number 1 junior lightweight...guess you never saw him fight or heard of him Corrales was undefeated and elite as well, was actually the favorite Carlos Hernandez and jesus chavez went on to win world titles at 130 after mayweather defended against them Castillo was elite and was the best lightweight before Mayweather came to 135 and remained 1 or 2 until he moved up from 135 by 2005.....Floyd won 2 lineal titles 11 total defenses and a 3rd title at 140 he also defeated former champions Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Goyo Vargas, Gatti, Corely, Sharmba Mitchell, Castillo, 3 divisional titles by age 28, if he retired then , he'd have still made the hall many fighters have done less and got in :smashfrea Thanks for repeating wht i just said except those fighters u mentioned like Sharmba( he fought him at welterweight btw) , Vargas, Chavez , Hernandez? thts a joke dude sorry, who else u gonna throw in there Angel Manfredy?lol, paper champions, but when Floyd finally fought a real champ like Castillo he lost, u dont need to repeat wht Floyd had done i already know tht, boxing hall of fame is not hard to get into, i agree many have done less and got in, but to say he had a hall of fame resume by 2009 is a joke, by 2005 Cotto defeated 3 undefeated champions. Maybe its not Floyds fault tht the division was weak but he sure didnt look for the tougher fights. Maybe by boxings standards he wouldve gotten in anyway but so did Sylvester Stallone and he wasnt even a real fighter lol . Also the names on Floyds resume from 2006 on is better but too bad they were all who were either inexperienced or washed up, overall Floyd is really a fraud. Good talking to u though

If this fight does happen Cotto will outbox and eventually stop Maidana, I see Maidana landing a couple of good shots but hes wild and has no defense, reason why Maidana hit Floyd was because of his wild awkward style and Floyds overly defensive style , but Cotto throws more punches and will keep him honest with the jab

can you read...I said he had a hall of famer resume by 2005 do you comprehend what you read? typical.....make excuses for the guys that lost to him...rinse,wash, repeat He wasnt even fighting at welterweight then...dude started at 130, why do you guys never compare him to guys closer to his best weight division instead of one he established himself at in his 30s shouldve, couldve, if aint done ****...thats like me saying if leonard fought in Robinsons era, he'd got whipped a few times you cant pick your era.....I doubt leonard wouldve beat all of these guys robinson, burley, holman williams, kid gavilan, bert lytell I think ur the one making excuses here, so tell me wht elite fighter did he face at those weights, Castillo? ill give u tht one but guest wht? he lost tht first fight , a clear robbery! thts wht happened when he dared to fight a real elite fighter, the only reason why I brought up the Leonerd era was not to say couldve , wouldve , but i brought it up because at tht time ducking a fighter would get u stripped no questions asked and u would not be a popular fighter with those actions! as u can notice the 2 fights (Castillo and Maidana) he knows he lost he immediately rematched cuz he knew tht he did indeed lose, who else Corrales? dude there was only 2 good fighters he fought by 2005 and tht was Castillo , who he lost to in the first fight and Corrales, Gatti already had 6 loses by the time Floyd fought him and was just an entertaining fighter nothing more, Corley was a decent fighter but not elite, . So his only real notable wins by 2005 was Castillo who already lost 4 times and Corrales who was the only undefeated fighter he beat, sorry by 2005 this is far from a hall of fame resume. All Floyd did was take advantage of a weak division ,then later in his career fighting fighters who were either too green or past their prime lol

I say 10-2, RJJ would be too fast and athletic for GGG , maybe GGG touches RJJ up a little but thts it

And Maidana is a better puncher than Cotto so what's your point? If memory serves me right, Cotto has been stopped...Chino hasn't. Cotto was stopped by who? A plastered Marg and Pacman, 2 guys Chino would have not last half the fight with, comparing whether one has been stopped and the other hasnt is illogical due to the better opposition and punchers that Cotto has faced. if Chino fought some of the guys Cotto fought he wouldve got Koed more than once, so lets be real here

So Floyd was in his prime when he fought Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, etc. People forget Floyd was NOT in his prime during these fights. Its like no one knows his career before De La Hoya, smh Of course , ur saying Floyd was washed up? lol , fighting once a year and taking peds will keep u prime for longer lol im well aware of Floyds ENTIRE career i been watching for many years and actually his resume from 2005 on has better names than prior to tht but too bad those fighters he fought were either too green or washed up,ill give him props for Canelo even though Nelo was still green but still very dangerous, but we know he lost tht first Maidana fight, Floyd is a smart fighter and business man, he knows the least u fight the longer ur career lasts especially when ur taking low risk fights during tht time , take care!

Imagine the PGA championship where 4 pro golfers are crowned champion. Or the NBA playoffs or the NCAA Final Four where the final four teams are the champs. This is the crazy way it is in boxing all the time and the more you have of a commodity the less its value becomes. So when you argue for FM's greatness based on boxing's alphabet soup championships, my eyes giaze over and I start to doze. As far as the Boxing H of F, I think it's a joke. Sylvester Stallone was inducted.LOL Also they just recently inducted Gatti. Now Arturo was an exciting fighter and fun to watch but he got beat by Ward, Patterson and other good but not great fighters. Again using Floyd's wins against Hall of Fame fighters really doesn't mean that much. The fact is FM retired 49-0, everything else is opinion, fun to argue but that's about it. (IMO ) LOL Good point

Whoever is saying Crawford really doesnt know boxing, def a good fight but Cotto's jab takes away Bud's speed and Cotto would cut off the ring too well for Crawford to outbox him, 140 or 147 Cotto beats Crawford by des maybe knocking him down once , i doubt Bud's power will hurt Cotto, if Ricardo Torres had to land multiple combos with his power to knock Cotto down i think Cotto adjusts in the middle of the fight and breaks Bud down with left hooks to the body, Cottos jab is really underrated and he doesnt have problems fighting lefties either, I believe Zab was faster and more powerful than Bud and he landed flush uppercuts on Cotto but Cotto was never even hurt, Cotto is also an underrated boxer, when he fought Mosley in his prime even Mosley said tht he didnt know Cotto was a good boxer as well, I got Cotto by late stoppage or Des. U cant possibly believe Crawford will beat Cotto when his opposition hasnt been near good, he beat a blown up Gamboa that is it, Postol is a good fighter but neither have anything great on their resume yet.

Of course not. Floyd introduced the official Wada code to the sport of boxing by making olyimpic style testing mandatory for all of his fights. Fighters like pacquiao, who were eventually forced to comply, not surprisingly had a rapid decline of physical ability inside the ring once stringent testing was introduced. Not only is he a clean fighter, he should be applauded for cleaning up the sport. Actually this is false , he did not clean up the sport he made it worst! Olympic style testing is all year around as long as a fighter is not retired, Floyd def used PEDs, why do i say tht? because he refused to fight anywhere but Las Vegas which permitted him to use without getting caught.

I swear the dumbest thing ive seen on this post was tht Cotto was prime when Floyd fought him lol u gotta really not know about boxing to say something like tht, Floyd would not have been undefeated if he had to go through Trinidad, Marg, Clottey, Mosely , Delahoya, Cotto etc. all is their primes, whts funny is when the welterweight division was flooded with talented prime fighters wht did Floyd do? he retired! case closed!

Hatton is a hall of famer?!! lmao lol lol lol, DLH was the champion and was not prime, I thought tht fight was a draw for the simple fact tht Delahoya was the aggressor even though he was the champion

what happens when a modest punching JMW hits the most durable MW on the planet? golovkin will smile, mouth the words "good boy," and knock cotto's head into the bleachers. you guys hsould bet your houses on cotto if you're that confident. he's going to be a MASSIVE underdog. guys in vegas, uhhh, know boxing. Golovkin will smile? riiiiight cuz hes fought all these great fighters and had his chin tested many times right? he haven't fought anyone on Cotto's level to be able to say tht so ur response is moot! GGG needs to stop fighting bums and get some names on his resume

All im hearing is GGG hits hard and all tht but wht happens when Cotto touches him with tht left hook to head or body? will GGG take those punches cuz Cotto is a much better boxer and hes faster. GGG hasn't been tested by any top notch fighter to know if he can "murder" Cotto so I wouldn't go as far as saying tht

Aww, you're drunk on belief that Cotto actually beat a healthy Sergio. How cute. Very healthy actually! and Sergio said it himself tht he felt great, no knee problems before or after the fight, I think ur not comfortable with reality tht little Cotto boxed Sergio out of the arena and he gave Cotto all the credit, Whts cute is the faqct tht Cotto is actually the fighter who is taking a chance getting into the ring after getting hit with plasters of paris and still kicking ass, so if u wanna talk healthy , Cotto is the one who has permanent face injuries, get ur facts straight bro Sergio jus got beat by a better fighter!

How bout wht round does Cotto stop GGG? wht quality opponent has GG fought? hes a good puncher but tths all ive seen out of him, hes never been tested , I say Cotto out boxes him and stops him late or wins a decision , he may shake Cotto a little but can he take the body attack and combinations Cotto is gonna hit him with? This is wht happened with Martinez, he been fighting good opponents but not on Cotto' level and we saw wht happened

Shot that would have ko'd most fighters http://giant.gfycat.com/JointLazyChimpanzee.gif http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1360249/1213947_o.gif http://i43.tinypic.com/9q8hfr.jpg The man literally refused to fold.... Them Oxycotton doses did their job!

Yall crazy, I watched Brook put his hands on GGG like nothing, wht u think is gonna happen when Tito touches GGG's jaw? Plus GGG has no defense whtsoever, I think it will be a competitive fight but remember tht Brook didnt even go down , I think Tito's reach would be a factor as well he is 5"11, i say GGG knocks Tito down maybe in the 1st or 2nd round and Tito gets up and Knocks GGG out , most likely GGG ducks him and fights Oba Carr or somebody instead lol

Your right and some fighters like Cotto and Martinez go for safer money making fights rather than take less money to fight their top challengers on top of only fighting once a year. I wouldn't care if they weren't champions but champions should fight high ranked fighters in their same weight class at least 2 times a year. When they become a world champion they have an obligation to the sport and the contenders. Hagler fought top contenders at least 4 times a year and set the standard of a real good champion. GGG is fighting the best guys willing to fight him 4 or 5 times a year. Arum just gave Cotto 3 names. Bundrage, Bradley and Rios. Not a top middleweight in the bunch. Boxing is the only sport I like and I am not rich. I get HBO and Showtime and watch and tape all the boxing I can from those two channels. I have never paid the 50 to 80+ dollars they want for a pay for view and I never will. I can't afford that much money to watch one boxing card no matter how good it is. Mayweather-Pacquiao is a great event and when HBO or Showtime shows it for free weeks or months or years latter I will watch it and tape it. And who started this culture? Some one by the name of Floyd may weather, Cotto been fighting top opponents his whole career, how u gonna say Cotto and martinez been doing that when it's an outright lie , seriously Mayweather has brought this culture in and it has destroyed boxing so,blame him!

You cant even mention that his defense is leaky or that he is slow without some ****rider jumping in and saying his defense is great or against Murray tonight that he got hit on purpose hahahahaha. WTF Murray isn't that good. Hes a solid Middleweight but he hit GGG at will and smothered him and used footwork against him at times quite well. GGG is good but nowhere near as good as fanboys make out. These Toney vs GGG threads and Jones Jr vs GGG threads are hilarious. Hes dominating a poor division. Hes slow and his D is leaky. Hes very good but hes not ATG or no unbeatable beast. Wht I can't understand is y everyone says he's the best , cuz he's undefeated? Let me ask these GGG fans a question? Ya say he has an iron chin , but wht fighter, who has real punching power , has he been in with in order to prove tht? Ya say his, defense is good , but he's been hit alot in fights but the opponents he's fought haven't been real punchers , he hasn't faced anyone with speed or anyone who has crisp punches , i understand he will always have a punchers chance I'll give him tht but don't jump on it like he's fought all the greats and been in deep waters cuz he hasn't been there yet , ya want Cotto to fight him, but u think thts gonna happen at 159 if Cotto is the A side fighter ? And wht I saw tonight , if Cotto lands shots the way Murray did, and he will , I see GGG in a world of trouble , although GGG may have a size advantage and he is the fresher fighter (meaning he's never been hit with plasters of Paris for 11 rounds) , he doesn't have a chance to bear Cotto but i think Cotto will be too fast and has more punching power than any of GGG'S previous opponents, i guess only time will tell but if he beats Cotto then tht will bring his level up higher , until then let's calm down with this indestructible crap ! Lol

I read this a while ago as well , good read , but most will shy away from this truth cuz it exposes the true cheaters in the sport including the beloved Mayweather! Hopefully someone will one day put the politics to the side, stand up and start holding people accountable

Even when the proof is in the pudding Floyd fans wanna make excuses and come up with some bs logic tht its ok for him to use this, y the hell do u think Floyd doesnt fight anywhere else but Vegas ? Not only cuz hes got the judges leaning towards him but because he cant use this ped anywhere else ! Its very obvious and should be dealt with, there are many other ways to protect damaging ur hands besides numbing them which is not even logical

Absolutely one of the best post on here exposing the truth about the biggest ducker in boxing history! Awesome facts that no one can get away from, the proof is in the pudding and instead of people manning up to these facts they still in denial. Yes at the time Cintron was one of the most feared fighters , also Marg, cotto,clottey, Mosley etc. and he avoided all these fights when these guys were still prime. Yet These guys were fighting each other they way hearns, Leonard, Duran and hagler were and where was Floyd in all this? Then He fights Baldamir? Ya Floyd fans need to really evaluate who ur rooting for cuz he has almost destroyed boxing with these actions! Again , awesome post of facts no one can run from!

I can tell u idiots talking crap about Cotto that ya don't know s#!t about boxing , oh Sergio was injured and long lay off when before the fight ya probably was saying he would give Cotto a boxing lesson yet Cotto out boxed the s@$t out of him , or Yuri was at a disadvantage etc. But yet ya fail to realize that every time Cotto steps into the ring he is at a disadvantage , getting hit with plasters of Paris is something no one ever can recover from , his face is permanently damaged and his manager is at fault for not bringing him along slowly after tht, instead he fought Pac then a bigger fighter like Trout, Freddie Roach has brought him back to a compact defense and early aggression while boxing and thts y he had success against Sergio , u dudes on here jus like to talk but there's a science behind things tht happen in boxing and facts r facts!

U get hit with plasters of Paris for 11 rounds and tell me u wouldn't take a knee ?, f$&@ing idiot! This is why I don't come on here often stupid posts like this show u dont know sh$t

Lulz? So now I take it Segura just had a relatively easy night beating a shot to s hit and old as dirt Calderon? wow, that's not the tune I kept hearing from all the Ricans who claimed a 35 year old Calderon was going to run circles and outbox Segura easily. Don't come in here and tell me to study "my history" you have no idea WTF you are talking about playa. Yeah like i said go learn ur history!!! ill say it again , go learn ur history, nothing but a bunch of cheaters and liars, yes calderon is 35, tell me u gave dela hoya credit for beating chavez *******, and tell me u gave chavez credit for beating rosario, or maybe thts too old for u to remember, u dont know boxing dude u should shut ur face bfore i make u bow down homie!

warrior? http://i41.tinypic.com/6pn31c.gif Wow u post a cheater winning a fight and ruining a career of one of the best fighters u have ever seen, U should be ashamed of urself for this video, y dont u post Mosley kickin Marg's a**? Or how about Trinidad beating down Vargas who was on steroids and still couldnt win the fight, another cheater, which u guys do quite often!

LMAO, what is it with Ricans bowing down to their Mexican conquerors in defeat? at least Mexicans go out on their shields and if it means getting KTFO they gladly take their punishment. Ricans on the other hand once the water starts to boil and start getting their s hit pushed in they quickly kneel down and beg for the punishment to stop. Another "no-skilled Mexican getting outboxed and outclassed" theory out the window. Suck on that fat one mamones. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/shalafee/giovanni-segura.jpg Wht is it with this prejudice post? First of all Calderon has been ruling for a long time and at 35 years old doesnt have too much left before he retires , second is there are more RICAN champs and contenders always in the mix, u need to study ur history my man and cut it out with labeling races a**hole

first cotto, http://www.sportsfanlive.com/roller/huerto/resource/CottoMargarito.jpg then orlando cruz http://www.myboxingfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/PonceDeLeonCruz_Hoganphotos-500x333.jpg now calderon http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/30463/segura-calderon-fight-5.jpg Dont forget they r cheaters too, thx, Marg=plasters of paris, Vargas= steroids, the list goes on bud! People need to just understand that these men are fuken warriors that back down to no man! :boxing: Dont forget they r cheaters too, thx, Marg=plasters of paris, Vargas= steroids, the list goes on bud! and dont tell me Marg didnt know cuz after the 3rd round the assistant asks marg how his punches r doing? lmao