How did floyd take the road of least resistance when he had a HOF resume by 2005

Floyd did take some tough fights early in his career to become a someoine in boxing. But once he became a name he coasted an d allthoiugh fought some decent fighters never really fought the toughest. That's why hes unbeaten Jmmm said PAC is the best of this era and the best he fought.

Cuz he's not a guy some people like for numerous reasons. Sometimes rational thoughts & opinions aren't taking place in the minds of boxing fans & you can't steer their feelings with rational thoughts & opinions. That said there is the issue of being too good equaling you don't get a ceiling put on your career thus some fans want you to reach higher til you come up short & if you haven't lost that means to them that you never reached high enough. Or some sort of thing like that that I keep seeing fans more or less complaining about when you break down what they are actually saying. You see it with undefeated guys in the past & currently to a lesser extent too. pretty much summed it up people get too emotional with this guy....he has beaten some national and global heroes but its hard to deny he has the best resume of his era.

It's like you are all but admitting you and others are assessing Floyd's resume based on Floyd's arrogance rather than just who he fought. Him calling himself TBE shouldn't affect how you judge his opponents. A fighter doesn't get better or worse because another fighter is arrogant about himself. i never understood why do they care so much about a man's self-proclamations when fighters before him called themselves the greatest, the best, etc. without self confidence they wouldnt have made it that far people really get into their emotions when it comes to mayweather instead of use logic or their head

What the Floyd nuthuggers always fail to grasp is that Floyd himself has said he is THE BEST EVER. He said he is better than Ali and other greats. Those are the expectations that Floyd himself said we should hold him to. In that context he, nor his fans, can cry and whine when we hold him to those standards. Great boxer? No doubt. Is resume BEST EVER worthy? I don't think so as too many times there were other fights much better than the guys he fought. I dont know about best ever, hard to say anyone is the best ever(i'd say sam langforde considering he beat hall of famers from 135-heavyweight and im sure that'll never happen again) what I do agree with is your choice of eye candy....daaaaaaaaayum...nice pic of the two latina hotties

What the Floyd nuthuggers always fail to grasp is that Floyd himself has said he is THE BEST EVER. He said he is better than Ali and other greats. Those are the expectations that Floyd himself said we should hold him to. In that context he, nor his fans, can cry and whine when we hold him to those standards. Great boxer? No doubt. Is resume BEST EVER worthy? I don't think so as too many times there were other fights much better than the guys he fought. It's like you are all but admitting you and others are assessing Floyd's resume based on Floyd's arrogance rather than just who he fought. Him calling himself TBE shouldn't affect how you judge his opponents. A fighter doesn't get better or worse because another fighter is arrogant about himself.

What the Floyd nuthuggers always fail to grasp is that Floyd himself has said he is THE BEST EVER. He said he is better than Ali and other greats. Those are the expectations that Floyd himself said we should hold him to. In that context he, nor his fans, can cry and whine when we hold him to those standards. Great boxer? No doubt. Is resume BEST EVER worthy? I don't think so as too many times there were other fights much better than the guys he fought.

Imagine the PGA championship where 4 pro golfers are crowned champion. Or the NBA playoffs or the NCAA Final Four where the final four teams are the champs. This is the crazy way it is in boxing all the time and the more you have of a commodity the less its value becomes. So when you argue for FM's greatness based on boxing's alphabet soup championships, my eyes giaze over and I start to doze. As far as the Boxing H of F, I think it's a joke. Sylvester Stallone was inducted.LOL Also they just recently inducted Gatti. Now Arturo was an exciting fighter and fun to watch but he got beat by Ward, Patterson and other good but not great fighters. Again using Floyd's wins against Hall of Fame fighters really doesn't mean that much. The fact is FM retired 49-0, everything else is opinion, fun to argue but that's about it. (IMO ) LOL Good point

Imagine the PGA championship where 4 pro golfers are crowned champion. Or the NBA playoffs or the NCAA Final Four where the final four teams are the champs. This is the crazy way it is in boxing all the time and the more you have of a commodity the less its value becomes. So when you argue for FM's greatness based on boxing's alphabet soup championships, my eyes giaze over and I start to doze. As far as the Boxing H of F, I think it's a joke. Sylvester Stallone was inducted.LOL Also they just recently inducted Gatti. Now Arturo was an exciting fighter and fun to watch but he got beat by Ward, Patterson and other good but not great fighters. Again using Floyd's wins against Hall of Fame fighters really doesn't mean that much. The fact is FM retired 49-0, everything else is opinion, fun to argue but that's about it. (IMO ) LOL

So Floyd was in his prime when he fought Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, etc. People forget Floyd was NOT in his prime during these fights. Its like no one knows his career before De La Hoya, smh Of course , ur saying Floyd was washed up? lol , fighting once a year and taking peds will keep u prime for longer lol im well aware of Floyds ENTIRE career i been watching for many years and actually his resume from 2005 on has better names than prior to tht but too bad those fighters he fought were either too green or washed up,ill give him props for Canelo even though Nelo was still green but still very dangerous, but we know he lost tht first Maidana fight, Floyd is a smart fighter and business man, he knows the least u fight the longer ur career lasts especially when ur taking low risk fights during tht time , take care!

So Floyd was in his prime when he fought Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, etc. People forget Floyd was NOT in his prime during these fights. Its like no one knows his career before De La Hoya, smh most dont know his career pre-2007 he was KTFO of people at 140 and below and was faster, and aggressive..his ko ratio was like 70 % many didnt pay him any attention til his come back in 09 he is older than most of his big name opponents so being "prime" isnt an excuse used for him...he came back at age 32

Good thread. It's ridiculous. The only people he arguably ducked were Antonio Margarito and Stevie Johnston. But Floyd is held to such a higher standard than everyone else that people bring it up 100 times. Every fighter you name has ducked somebody. You don't hear about Stevie because your typical Floyd critic only followed his career as a welterweight. What gets ignored is his come up. He was fighting at the world class level at the age of 21. Look at your favorite fighters today. They are damn near 30 (or older) years old and just emerging on the scene and working on their first division. Errol Spence is getting all this attention and he is 26 years old and has yet to step up. the guy has literally fought world class opposition from 1998-2015....thats no easy feat the standards are a bit outlandish for the guy he was barely legal to drink fighting for a world title look at the welters today/....most only have 1 or 2 wins over a top 20 welter many people on this forum werent even watching boxing when floyd was at 130-140 he was the high risk/ reward guy had Johnston not lost to Lazcano, he may have got the shot. Margarito killed his shot losing to a prospect in paul williams who had no top ten wins at that point at 147

So let me get this straight, Floyd is getting credit for beating a washed up Mosley , a damaged goods and past prime Cotto, a smaller Marquez who fought at tht weight for the first time, wht other past prime or inexperienced fighter u gonna give him credit for? Canelo? How bout when the welterweight division was swarming with prime guys like Marg, Cotto, Clottey, Williams etc. all fighting eachother yet Floyd did not want any part of those guys instead he retires! We all know he lost to Castillo the first time and Maidana the first time, only reason why he fought Cotto was because Cotto was already damaged from the Marg fight and his face blows up very quickly , he refused his highest pay day at the time to fight Marg b4 Marg started using Plasters, Marg even approached him face to face and Floyd said he would fight him, U gonna give him credit for barely defeating a past prime Delahoya too? which we know tht fight should have at least been a draw, i could go on and on but wht Floyd did was set a precedent for other fighters to pick and choose who to fight just like wht Canelo is doing now with GGG, where do u think Canelo learned tht from? and this is destroying the sport, if Floyd fought in the Leonard, Hagler etc. era he would of got his ass whipped a few times believe tht, also a fighter who refuses to fight in another state because his peds are illegal everywhere else but Las Vegas is a disgrace to the sport. As a matter of fact if u look at Cotto's resume compared to Floyds Cotto faced better competition, the only fighters Floyd should get credit for is Castillo, Maidana and Canelo, maybe even Corrales, remember Cotto is smaller than Floyd so all of yall braggin bout how floyd was the smaller man tht is not true, Floyd is bigger than Cotto but he would never dare fight Martinez, Marg or any middleweight at tht, if he was the best y did he need every single advantage over his opponent? all the way up to not letting his opponent pick his own gloves, y couldnt Pacman get a shot in his shoulder? but floyd in his dressing room shooting up his peds with no problem saying he needs it for his brittle hands lol now thts pathetic lol So Floyd was in his prime when he fought Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, etc. People forget Floyd was NOT in his prime during these fights. Its like no one knows his career before De La Hoya, smh

Good thread. It's ridiculous. The only people he arguably ducked were Antonio Margarito and Stevie Johnston. But Floyd is held to such a higher standard than everyone else that people bring it up 100 times. Every fighter you name has ducked somebody. You don't hear about Stevie because your typical Floyd critic only followed his career as a welterweight. What gets ignored is his come up. He was fighting at the world class level at the age of 21. Look at your favorite fighters today. They are damn near 30 (or older) years old and just emerging on the scene and working on their first division. Errol Spence is getting all this attention and he is 26 years old and has yet to step up.

Look at Gatti's, Mcguigan, Jeff fenech, many hall of famers resume's and compare it to Mayweather at just 27-28 and his resume is better than theres and several of them G. Hernandez had one loss and was undefeated at 130 when floyd beat him at 21.....he was the number 1 junior lightweight...guess you never saw him fight or heard of him Corrales was undefeated and elite as well, was actually the favorite Carlos Hernandez and jesus chavez went on to win world titles at 130 after mayweather defended against them Castillo was elite and was the best lightweight before Mayweather came to 135 and remained 1 or 2 until he moved up from 135 by 2005.....Floyd won 2 lineal titles 11 total defenses and a 3rd title at 140 he also defeated former champions Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Goyo Vargas, Gatti, Corely, Sharmba Mitchell, Castillo, 3 divisional titles by age 28, if he retired then , he'd have still made the hall many fighters have done less and got in :smashfrea Thanks for repeating wht i just said except those fighters u mentioned like Sharmba( he fought him at welterweight btw) , Vargas, Chavez , Hernandez? thts a joke dude sorry, who else u gonna throw in there Angel Manfredy?lol, paper champions, but when Floyd finally fought a real champ like Castillo he lost, u dont need to repeat wht Floyd had done i already know tht, boxing hall of fame is not hard to get into, i agree many have done less and got in, but to say he had a hall of fame resume by 2009 is a joke, by 2005 Cotto defeated 3 undefeated champions. Maybe its not Floyds fault tht the division was weak but he sure didnt look for the tougher fights. Maybe by boxings standards he wouldve gotten in anyway but so did Sylvester Stallone and he wasnt even a real fighter lol . Also the names on Floyds resume from 2006 on is better but too bad they were all who were either inexperienced or washed up, overall Floyd is really a fraud. Good talking to u though

]naw...illustrates your level of intelligence floyd fought the number one guy at 130, 135, 147, and 154.....facts, deal with it genius posters trash this man's resume all the time, then you hit em with the facts and they avoid the topic or deflect you are no different yea my threads stupid enough for you to comment in it, and still not provide anyone incite on why I am wrong. How does your confusion over a meme illustrate my level of intelligence?

]naw...illustrates your level of intelligence floyd fought the number one guy at 130, 135, 147, and 154.....facts, deal with it genius posters trash this man's resume all the time, then you hit em with the facts and they avoid the topic or deflect you are no different yea my threads stupid enough for you to comment in it, and still not provide anyone incite on why I am wrong. I don't see how...care to explain?

I think ur the one making excuses here, so tell me wht elite fighter did he face at those weights, Castillo? ill give u tht one but guest wht? he lost tht first fight , a clear robbery! thts wht happened when he dared to fight a real elite fighter, the only reason why I brought up the Leonerd era was not to say couldve , wouldve , but i brought it up because at tht time ducking a fighter would get u stripped no questions asked and u would not be a popular fighter with those actions! as u can notice the 2 fights (Castillo and Maidana) he knows he lost he immediately rematched cuz he knew tht he did indeed lose, who else Corrales? dude there was only 2 good fighters he fought by 2005 and tht was Castillo , who he lost to in the first fight and Corrales, Gatti already had 6 loses by the time Floyd fought him and was just an entertaining fighter nothing more, Corley was a decent fighter but not elite, . So his only real notable wins by 2005 was Castillo who already lost 4 times and Corrales who was the only undefeated fighter he beat, sorry by 2005 this is far from a hall of fame resume Look at Gatti's, Mcguigan, Jeff fenech, many hall of famers resume's and compare it to Mayweather at just 27-28 and his resume is better than theres and several of them G. Hernandez had one loss and was undefeated at 130 when floyd beat him at 21.....he was the number 1 junior lightweight...guess you never saw him fight or heard of him Corrales was undefeated and elite as well, was actually the favorite Carlos Hernandez and jesus chavez went on to win world titles at 130 after mayweather defended against them Castillo was elite and was the best lightweight before Mayweather came to 135 and remained 1 or 2 until he moved up from 135 by 2005.....Floyd won 2 lineal titles 11 total defenses and a 3rd title at 140 he also defeated former champions Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Goyo Vargas, Gatti, Corely, Sharmba Mitchell, Castillo, 3 divisional titles by age 28, if he retired then , he'd have still made the hall many fighters have done less and got in :smashfrea

can you read...I said he had a hall of famer resume by 2005 do you comprehend what you read? typical.....make excuses for the guys that lost to him...rinse,wash, repeat He wasnt even fighting at welterweight then...dude started at 130, why do you guys never compare him to guys closer to his best weight division instead of one he established himself at in his 30s shouldve, couldve, if aint done ****...thats like me saying if leonard fought in Robinsons era, he'd got whipped a few times you cant pick your era.....I doubt leonard wouldve beat all of these guys robinson, burley, holman williams, kid gavilan, bert lytell I think ur the one making excuses here, so tell me wht elite fighter did he face at those weights, Castillo? ill give u tht one but guest wht? he lost tht first fight , a clear robbery! thts wht happened when he dared to fight a real elite fighter, the only reason why I brought up the Leonerd era was not to say couldve , wouldve , but i brought it up because at tht time ducking a fighter would get u stripped no questions asked and u would not be a popular fighter with those actions! as u can notice the 2 fights (Castillo and Maidana) he knows he lost he immediately rematched cuz he knew tht he did indeed lose, who else Corrales? dude there was only 2 good fighters he fought by 2005 and tht was Castillo , who he lost to in the first fight and Corrales, Gatti already had 6 loses by the time Floyd fought him and was just an entertaining fighter nothing more, Corley was a decent fighter but not elite, . So his only real notable wins by 2005 was Castillo who already lost 4 times and Corrales who was the only undefeated fighter he beat, sorry by 2005 this is far from a hall of fame resume. All Floyd did was take advantage of a weak division ,then later in his career fighting fighters who were either too green or past their prime lol

therealpugilist , he meant this as sarcasm, bro. Had me dying laughing! hard to tell sarcasm on the internet, and also when this mayweather guy is involved....he has a lot of people emotionally invested when they speak of him

Is it time to start putting this crap into the history section yet? There are new and active fighters to talk about cool....dont post in the thread.