Just a general boxing question that is not connected with any particular fighter.
Is Xylocaine - a drug that enhances the performance of boxers that have brittle hands by numbing their hands - sill legal in Nevada despite being banned in 49 states?
at 10 min mark its as clear as day. Floyd admitted to taking drugs.
As I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, this is a general boxing thread. It is NOT a thread about any particular boxer. Please refrain from making references to Mayweather's drug use specifically.
Thank you.
Yes, one of the few places where they allow this PED that gives the user the ability to feel no pain.
It should be banned in Nevada just like it is everywhere else.
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I need links man, yeah if you can find an audio book it would be OK. Help this ignorant fool with said information.
I can say, yeah you can wiki lidocaine but that's pretty vague isn't it?
You haven't provided any source to back up your talk
Here's a third source;
http://www.drugs.com/pro/lidocaine-and-epinephrine-injection.html
I'm unsure if you'll be able to understand what you are looking at
It mentions both epidural and non epidural uses
If you need more information then educate yourself
I just did link you monkeyboy
What you after an audio book?
Ask your daddy to teach you some stuff
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I need links man, yeah if you can find an audio book it would be OK. Help this ignorant fool with said information.
I can say, yeah you can wiki lidocaine but that's pretty vague isn't it?
Keep posting your bullsh*t you're almost there.
Yes I'm bad with resarch, you seem to be an expert educate me further. link me to your sources.
I just did link you monkeyboy
What you after an audio book?
Ask your daddy to teach you some stuff
I'm having problems linking due to my post count
pdr.n3t was a source
University of Maryland Baltimore Washington Medical Centre is another source
Are you not good with research?
What's with this alt friend?
You seem paranoid
Keep posting your bullsh*t you're almost there.
Yes I'm bad with resarch, you seem to be an expert educate me further. link me to your sources.
Again link me, all you do is provide the info you get under yahoo answers who don't even source in the first place. Again my alt friend I need a source 3/10 :lol1:
I'm having problems linking due to my post count
pdr.n3t was a source
University of Maryland Baltimore Washington Medical Centre is another source
Are you not good with research?
What's with this alt friend?
You seem paranoid
EPO helps to build lung capacity, so training with it can give you much greater lung capacity overall even if you cycle off (if done correctly).
Something like lidocaine, dulls nerve endings which cause pain. If you shut down the pain receptors you are going to do damage which pain would normally prevent. So if you train messing up your hands then you can't use it on fight night (which it is tested for) your hands will not be right and you will fight like you have messed up hands.
I have never taken a post fight interview seriously in my life~ certainly not on something like that.
:haha: Man, the Floyd fans talk differently to protect Floyd.
This drug is for short term benefits. When they go into a fight, they will do anything to win. That is the bottom line. You are now condoning taking drugs for a fight. What a turnaround by Floyd fans.
at 10 min mark its as clear as day. Floyd admitted to taking drugs.
You're just a mouthy wee prick on the internet
Anesthesia, local injectable: Dose varies with procedure, degree of anesthesia needed, vascularity of tissue, duration of anesthesia required, and physical condition of patient; maximum dose: 4.5 mg/kg/dose; do not repeat within 2 hours.
Lidocaine
When injected in or under the skin, prevents sensory nerves from firing by depolarizing sensory nerve axons (the electrical wires of the nerves).
Because plain lidocaine is water soluble, it rapidly flushes away with nearby blood capillaries and veins. The half life for 1 milliliter of plain lidocaine injected below the skin (subcuticular) is about an hour.
Lidocaine with epinephrine (LidocaineE)
Works the same as plain lidocaine, except the epinephrine causes all the blood vessels in the area to constrict for hours.
Without blood flow to the area, the lidocaine does not get flushed away.
Depending on the location and the amount injected, LidocaineE can have a half-life up to 6 hours.
Again link me, all you do is provide the info you get under yahoo answers who don't even source in the first place. Again my alt friend I need a source 3/10 :lol1:
LMFAO! you're full of sh*t my dear alt friend. I'll bite once again, link me to a source that claims lidocaine lasts for 90 minutes. I'll wait and turn into dust in the process.
You're just a mouthy wee prick on the internet
Anesthesia, local injectable: Dose varies with procedure, degree of anesthesia needed, vascularity of tissue, duration of anesthesia required, and physical condition of patient; maximum dose: 4.5 mg/kg/dose; do not repeat within 2 hours.
Lidocaine
When injected in or under the skin, prevents sensory nerves from firing by depolarizing sensory nerve axons (the electrical wires of the nerves).
Because plain lidocaine is water soluble, it rapidly flushes away with nearby blood capillaries and veins. The half life for 1 milliliter of plain lidocaine injected below the skin (subcuticular) is about an hour.
Lidocaine with epinephrine (LidocaineE)
Works the same as plain lidocaine, except the epinephrine causes all the blood vessels in the area to constrict for hours.
Without blood flow to the area, the lidocaine does not get flushed away.
Depending on the location and the amount injected, LidocaineE can have a half-life up to 6 hours.
The worlds best hand specialist use an inexpensive local anesthesia. Wow dude your tin foil hat is working. You're quite the critical thinker.
The worlds best hand specialist will use whatever is best for their patient.
They will be aware of the current damage and have plans in place to correct the hands when the time comes.
As for critical thinking, most other anesthesia will sedate the patient, even strong oral pain killers can cause drowsiness.
Xylocaine doesn't make you sleepy at certain doses
You were saying?
I mentioned before that I shattered my hand.
My hand is basically held together by skin, they had initially wanted to plate & pin my hand but felt that it was in too much of a mess(too many pieces of bone) to open.
Since the injury I trained at the gym then moved over to MT thinking I'd have an elbow to fall back on.
I gave up on risking my hand because the end result wasn't worth it.
I was never gonna be a millionaire fighter, but i was risking my hand, my health and my families future by continuing to train with the injury.
It took a while to realise that I was kidding myself & it wasn't worth the risk of ending up having fingers amputated if I damaged my hand again.
If I was a big earning boxer would I have risked my hand...the reward's there isn't it?
I've had to use my hand outside a couple of times in an emergency since my injury.
I'm far more anxious with the injury and initially throw when I'm sure, but there's been times when I've been outnumbered & have just had to go for it.
I can assure you in the same situation if I am forced to use my hand I would be a lot more at ease & more confident if I wasn't going to feel the pain there & then.
Adrenaline doesn't mask the pain & you are aware instantly
The effects of xylocaine last more than 9 minutes..it's closer to 90 minutes
LMFAO! you're full of sh*t my dear alt friend. I'll bite once again, link me to a source that claims lidocaine lasts for 90 minutes. I'll wait and turn into dust in the process.
To me, it sounds f*cking retarded. It's not like this lidocaine lasts all fight long. Yeah let's see you retards fight with a f*cked up hand once the pain is back. Internet scientists and doctors are so stupid. I can bet my left nut 99% of these pseudo scientist have never punched a bag for more than 3 minutes to actually know that numbing your hand isn't going to enhance anything when it's applied to boxing.
I mentioned before that I shattered my hand.
My hand is basically held together by skin, they had initially wanted to plate & pin my hand but felt that it was in too much of a mess(too many pieces of bone) to open.
Since the injury I trained at the gym then moved over to MT thinking I'd have an elbow to fall back on.
I gave up on risking my hand because the end result wasn't worth it.
I was never gonna be a millionaire fighter, but i was risking my hand, my health and my families future by continuing to train with the injury.
It took a while to realise that I was kidding myself & it wasn't worth the risk of ending up having fingers amputated if I damaged my hand again.
If I was a big earning boxer would I have risked my hand...the reward's there isn't it?
I've had to use my hand outside a couple of times in an emergency since my injury.
I'm far more anxious with the injury and initially throw when I'm sure, but there's been times when I've been outnumbered & have just had to go for it.
I can assure you in the same situation if I am forced to use my hand I would be a lot more at ease & more confident if I wasn't going to feel the pain there & then.
Adrenaline doesn't mask the pain & you are aware instantly
The effects of xylocaine last more than 9 minutes..it's closer to 90 minutes
The point I was making is that it's possible to numb specific areas without tapping into other nerves such as the shoulder & spine as you implied initially.
The procedure that was documented was the numbing of a single digit at the knuckle. It's not a giant leap to suggest that more than 1 knuckle could be anesthitized without numbing the wrist & entire hand.
The above would allow a boxer to maintain some feeling in the hands and to ensure correct contact.
I don't think anyone in the thread believes that a man that drives around in £1,000,000 sports car would be injecting himself.
He will be being treated by some of the worlds best hand specialists
Once his career is over he can then begin reconstructive surgery inserting pins or plates when needed.
For now xylocaine allows him to perform and earn a fortune
The worlds best hand specialist use an inexpensive local anesthesia. Wow dude your tin foil hat is working. You're quite the critical thinker.
Exactly!!!!
To me, it sounds f*cking retarded. It's not like this lidocaine lasts all fight long. Yeah let's see you retards fight with a f*cked up hand once the pain is back. Internet scientists and doctors are so stupid. I can bet my left nut 99% of these pseudo scientist have never punched a bag for more than 3 minutes to actually know that numbing your hand isn't going to enhance anything when it's applied to boxing.
I don't see the point you're making by sharing that article, especially since the patient is referencing a DIGITAL BLOCK, i.e.FINGER. The procedure mentioned is absolutely correct.
However, the OP is referencing NUMBING THE WHOLE HAND which would involve applying a block to the medial nerve along with several other nerve endings. (Completely different from a digital block, and does not go contrary to what I stated earlier.)
The below referenced pictures also, demonstrates what would be involved with numbing the whole hand .... Something that isn't done without a Physician being involved, because of the dangers.
The point I was making is that it's possible to numb specific areas without tapping into other nerves such as the shoulder & spine as you implied initially.
The procedure that was documented was the numbing of a single digit at the knuckle. It's not a giant leap to suggest that more than 1 knuckle could be anesthitized without numbing the wrist & entire hand.
The above would allow a boxer to maintain some feeling in the hands and to ensure correct contact.
I don't think anyone in the thread believes that a man that drives around in £1,000,000 sports car would be injecting himself.
He will be being treated by some of the worlds best hand specialists
Once his career is over he can then begin reconstructive surgery inserting pins or plates when needed.
For now xylocaine allows him to perform and earn a fortune
People who make a big deal out of this need to go to a gym and hit the bag with numb hands see how you will enhance your performance with f*cked up hands.
Exactly!!!!
The short term anesthetic has already been linked to dental work. The nerves in the mouth.
Anyone that's had tooth pain knows how effective the anesthetic is & the pain/discomfort from root/nerves in the mouth.
You do not end up with a numbed head, nor any other part of your body from an injection into the gum.
Here's a medical professional explaining how digits can be numbed without the need for a spinal block
As an emergency room physician, I frequently see hand injuries. More than 1,000,000 U.S. workers receive treatment in emergency departments annually for acute hand and finger injuries. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that approximately 110,000 workers with hand and finger injuries lose days from work annually ***8212; second only to back strain and sprain in terms of work days lost.
I injured my hand when I was 18 years old, and since then I have taken a special interest in treating hand injuries.
While working in a restaurant I accidentally stuck my index finger into a mechanical cheese grating machine and ground off the tip of my finger. I suffered traumatic nail bed damage, an open fracture, and tendon injury to the dorsum (back side) of my finger.
I went directly to the local emergency department where I was seen by a resident physician who took some X-rays and then prepared to repair the extensive lacerations.
During the procedure the doctor injected lidocaine (a common local anesthetic) directly into the area surrounding my wounds to anesthetize my finger, which was incredibly painful - more painful than the initial injury. The doctor put in several stitches to stop the bleeding and bandaged my finger with a splint. I was referred to a hand surgeon for follow-up the next day.
The hand surgeon examined my wounds and told me he needed to repair the tendon injury and fix the fragmented piece of bone. To do this, he had to remove the stitches. Scared at the prospect of multiple painful shots in the tip of my finger again, I initially refused. The hand surgeon explained he would inject the anesthetic at the base of my finger, which would be much less painful. In fact, he continued, injecting my fingertip was improper, and he was so upset he called the emergency room and spoke with the resident physician and instructed him as to how to properly anesthetize a finger wound.
The hand surgeon explained step-by-step the anesthetizing procedure (called a digital block), my injury was fixed with much less pain, and today my finger works normally.
A digital block is the proper way to anesthetize a digit (finger or toe) and minimizes the amount of pain of the injection. The nerve endings of the fingers are heavily concentrated on the palmar aspect (the finger surface on the palm side of the hand). Injecting anesthetic into those areas, with their abundance of nerve endings, is quite painful. Instead, it is better to put the medicine in the dorsal (back) side of the hand or foot.
The nerve branches that supply the fingers run adjacent to the bone on either side of the knuckles of the hand. Injecting the anesthetic medicine around these nerve branches can accomplish complete anesthesia (numbness) of the whole finger.
In this procedure, the doctor first cleans the back of the hand around the knuckles and between the fingers. Then, a small amount of anesthetic is injected on both sides of the digit. Some physicians add lidocaine to the back and front of the finger, forming a ring of anesthetic completely around the base (called a "ring block"). It takes between 5-10 minutes for the anesthetic to completely take effect, causing the finger to feel heavy and numb. Typically the anesthesia lasts between 1-2 hours, and the doctor is able to repair any injuries.
Medical Author: John P. Cunha, DO
Medical Editor: Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD
source ; emedicinehealth.c0m
Floyd had a choice, retire and go broke due to his spending habbits, or continue with his career, earn a fortune cherry picking opponents while numbing his hands.
I have a hand injury, In my experience if I had to fight..it would be a whole lot easier and I'd feel a lot more confident if my hand was numbed.
If you have to fight with an existing hand injury then you will cause further damage, I know I'd prefer to cause that damage while anesthetized & deal with the aftermath later on. Obvious isn't it?
I don't see the point you're making by sharing that article, especially since the patient is referencing a DIGITAL BLOCK, i.e.FINGER. The procedure mentioned is absolutely correct.
However, the OP is referencing NUMBING THE WHOLE HAND which would involve applying a block to the medial nerve along with several other nerve endings. (Completely different from a digital block, and does not go contrary to what I stated earlier.)
The below referenced pictures also, demonstrates what would be involved with numbing the whole hand .... Something that isn't done without a Physician being involved, because of the dangers.
http://www.sonoguide.com/Images/Nerve%20Block%20Content/Median%20folder/nerveblock_median_anterior_illustration1%28sm%29.jpg
http://www.sonoguide.com/Images/Nerve%20Block%20Content/Median%20folder/nerveblock_median_posterior_illustration2%28sm%29.jpg