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You dont know what your talking about wins leija ruelas genero pernell ike chavez twice vargas mayorga sturm and even if the sturm was a robbery gift, then you have to give credit for the shane rematch and tito fight.. Oscar clearly won those but got robbed His only legit losses were shane 1, sturm, hopkins, manny, floyd My point exactly my friend - did you actually read your post back to yourself before posting it? My point was that DLH gets an awful lot of credit for stepping into the ring with the best but surely we should be giving credit to those fighters who beat other top fighters. His wins over leija, ruelas, pernell, ike, chavez, vargas and others are respectable and worth a lot of credit (no I don't count sturm as a win) but none of those fighters are first ballot hall of famers like mayweather, pacman, mosley or hopkins and nearly everytime DLH faced a HOF'er who was in his prime - he lost.

He's on par for me but I can't definitely say that he surpasses either People are giving major props here to the likes of DLH in particular because he shared a ring with the best but they forget one very important factor - HE LOST!!!!! Seriously every time DLH faced a genuine HOF'er he nearly always ended up on the losing side!!! Just because hes faced the best of his era doesn't make him the best of his era!! By that logic Glen Johnson is a modern great! Wake up people!!!

I think you can suspect someone of roids when their athletic gifts or weight undergoes drastic changes (i.e. overeem, holyfield, RJJ, toney etc). Not saying those guys were/are on roids but I'm just saying its suspect. Other fighters like Steve Cunningham, chris eubank, eubank jnr, David Haye, Frank Bruno, ken Norton, Mike Tyson, Albert Sosnowski, Glen Tapia, Sonny Bill Williams all had great physiques does that mean their on roids as well?

I don't think boxing thrives or doesn't thrive depending on the heavyweights being on top. How bad off can boxing be when this fight shattered all records for making money. So the fight was a dud. Lots of heavyweight fights are duds too. We have a good heavyweight champion right now in Wlad. He fights often and fights the very best contenders and he usually ends his fights with a KO. Wlad makes plenty of money every fight. Yes he does too much holding just like Mayweather. None of the heavyweights I've seen are all that exciting. As long as there are lots of good fighters and good fights boxing will do OK regardless of what different weight classes the good fights are in. I think the most exciting fighter today is GGG. I believe he is the next boxing superstar and he will help boxing thrive more than any heavyweight I know of. Agreed, couldn't have put it better myself As long as there are great fights boxing will do fine (look at the haggler, hearns, duran, leonard era) - the problem is making the damn fights these days PS - Vlad is an excellent HW and capable of giving a lot of the ATG's a good fight, yes he may have a boring style but he does what he needs to do to get the W

johnson would take this but it would be helluva fight!!!

As a boxing fan, I enjoy whatever happens in the squared circle. Whether it's Tyson coming straight at you looking to take you out in 15 seconds with one right hook or whether it's Floyd counter punching, making his opponents trip over their own feet, and slowly sucking their life out of them with his boxing. Floyd stood in front of his opponents at 130, 135, and 140. He went to war with Augustus, Chavez, and Corley. He wiped the floor with Hernandez and Corrales. He had a close quarter fight with Castillo. At 147, Floyd's utilized a lot more movement. It's interesting watching a fighter evolve through weight classes. You don't move up 5 weight divisions by being ordinary. By the way, if you want to see that killer instinct at 147, watch the Hatton fight. my thoughts exactly alot of people are very unfair on floyd, they look at his style and say he is a runner but they forget that he is actually a 140lb fighter fighting at 147 or 154. floyd does have the ability to stand toe to toe and deliver power punches just watch the fights he had down at 130-140. however it would be suicide for him to have continued with the same mindset higher up the weight classes. he had to utilise his movement, his footwork and his exceptional skills, the thing is instead of being complimented for his skills and versatility he was lambasted and criticzed. if floyd had continued to fight with the same mentality as he did when he was at LW he would have lost to DLH and a few others. fighters like ssm who have gone up in weight but continued with the same mindset and style have enjoyed limited success (wins against vargas and mayorga are balanced with losses to wright). i think to a degree the success of pacman and the comparisons between the two have meant floyd has lost some of his shine and lustre. pacman has managed to go through the weights with the same furious and intense style and people have thought why can't pbf do that as well? imo those ae the fight fans who can't quite appreciate the finer skills in the sweet science. anyways i agree with your last point as well, pbf is a thoroughbred, a craftsman at work in the ring. i think like all quality boxers when he has his man, he doesn't let him go and that killer instinct is still very much there.

imo the campbell and bradley fight should happen, that was a fight that i was really looking forward to. its a shame that it ended the way it did. imo them two have unfinished buisness. imo there is no other fight worth happening at 140 right now apart from devon and bradley. theres some good fighters like maidana, campbell, ortiz, khan, malignaggi etc but alexander and bradley are the two guys that stand out.

man i dont see khan KO'ing malignaggi. he might surprise me and the move up to LWW along with his physical development could mean that his power improves as well but malignaggi is a slick operator.. hes not barrera, hes not kotelnik, hes not like the other guys we khan facing, hes a genuine top 5 fighter in his weight who has shared the ring with the best. malignaggi himself is a very tricky fighter with fast hands, his movement will mean that khan finds him hard to tag. as for clottey and pacman, pacman might wear him down with body shots but even then clottey is simply so strong at this weight its phenomenal. his guard leaves very little holes for body headshots and even less for head shots. i see pacman getting a UD but i dont see KO in this fight.

i wonder if ariza is going to comment on this arum/bradley conspiracy. i'm pretty sure ariza is thinking what we're all thinking, and he has the balls/publicity to say something about it huh? what did ariza say? what makes you think he knew something we don't? any else find it really funny how timothy was holding up a bradley vs pacman II ticket and promoting the rematch before the actual fight took place? I can't ever recall that happening before a fight. did JMM start prmoting the rematch before his inital fight with pacman? did castillo promote a rematch with pbf before the inital fight? did martinez promote the rematch with williams before the inital fight? heres the link: http://www.boxingscene.com/photo-bradley-continues-promote-pacquiao-rematch--53726

i think hed have KO'd anyone he wanted to, either as a TKO or a KO. rjj was just too damn ambitious for his own good.

a nice piece iv got to admit iv not seen too much of devon i know hes got all the qualities we would associate with a good young, black american fighter - skills, quickness, good pop in his punches. can anyone break down his style, strengths and faults?

pbf is alot of things but hes not a coward, cowards don't make the biggest and often most dangerous fights out there (i.e. DLH, judah, mosley, chico, castillo etc). yeah sure hes had a few easy fights but you could argue that if anyone is entitled to a few easy paydays then it is floyd. anyways i agree with no.1 assasin hes echoed my thoughts perfectly.

when is kirkland getting out there is no telling what that stint inside did to him, tyson was never the same after hed been inside. kirkland had alot of potential maybe a slightly suspect defence but his power and aggression was tyson-esque.

i think berto is a good fight to be made for bradley. berto is a good, powerful, quick WW with some good credentials at 147. however he is also beatable imo his stamina isn't that great, his skills are there but he seems over reliant on the 1-2 and i think theres a question mark over his chin. bradley himself is a very good fighter, always in good confition with good pop and handspeed and his skills are improving. another fight at 147 will allow bradley to confirm to himself whether or not he is a 147lb fighter. i can imagine bradley thinking that fighting at 147 will allow him to eat more and therefore train more and he'd be hoping that would have the same effect as it did on pacman. i think the fight with berto is the acid test for bradley, i'll reserve my judgement till then

wow he does look in great shape, hes lost alot of weight i hope hes doing ok, boxing owes alot to tyson he brought alot of fans into the fight game

mtgawa vs calderon perez vs agbeko

i don't think it will affect manny so much because hes not a massive WW. he gets to eat a alot of calorie laden food and frequently comes in at 145 without a problem so i think if he takes the test then he should still be able to eat right and have enough energy. there is a risk that the whole blood thing could affect him mentally though.

a year on from his loss to prescott khan was challenging for a world title, something that points to having friends in all the right places. it annoyed me when he became britians best LW without ever facing murray or thaxton. it annoyed me even more when after beating a washed up barrera he had somehow become a top 10 LWW and he managed to annoy me again when i realized he will never face a legit puncher. i wouldn't mind khan if he showed some honesty - if he turned around and said 'look im not the finished article and im still learning the game and i will be getting into the ring with maidan and alexander'. marvin hagler summed fighters like khan when he used the word 'navigator'.

oh dear god, i can't stop laughing at the thought of it!!! :P

i think we live in an era where the athletes and other sportsmen become faceless and bland. look at people like DLH, mosley, lewis and alot of other top class athletes and they seem like drones. men like tyson and ali are exceptions, they are as colourful and crazy as you think and then some. i think thats what attracts us to them alot of other fighters take on a persona in an effort to emulate their success (i.e. pbf with his money mayweather antics, david haye, etc).

at first i was thinking del ha hoya but i think like alot of people i sometimes need to be reminded of just how good pbf is. pbf by dec it might well be close but i think he squeaks it.

well maybe GBP have some kind of plot to try and pit them both together. i remember the networks trying to do the same thing with james kirkland and alfred angulo, i think they did the same things with calderon and gamboa. if they do end up in opposite corners expect khan to come out on top, he has the better coach and conditioner in his corner, he has more heart and more importantly he holds a win over ortiz in the amateur ranks.

alot of people say he has the best chin of all time... what is your opinion? if wlad hits him flush in the face with a straight right, what happens? you're not serious are you?

Khan is being built up for one big cash out pay day. They will have him fight older names, very slow and unskilled punchers (just to say "Look!!! He beat a puncher!!!"), and slick boxers with no power to build up his name and record. Then they will put him in against someone good and hope for the best. If Khan had a chin he would be one hell of a fighter. But as it is he doesnt, and he will lose in comedy ko style as soon as Roach lines him up an actual fight. yeah i agree man a good post. i think khan will face a series of good fighters but only to get him to the championship level i think when he faces an all round top prospect he might well lose by KO. i remember watching him last night thinking how would a prime nate campbell do against him, you know someone tough, season and skilled. i think khan will do very well against maidana, maidana is not like a prime urango. maidana is heavy handed (because he swings with all his punches) but hes got a very weak chin, he was decked several times by ortiz. i expect khan straighter shots to pick him off and maidana will be gone by the seventh or eigth round.

I still do not understand why he is fighting at 154. He doesn't belong at this weight or any weight close to it. true, cotto looked a pretty good sized WW. not a massive WW as some would have you believe (ala clottey, margarito) and neither was he a small WW (like berto or judah) but a good size and the weight suited him i always thought that cotto had a bit of baby fat on him anyway, in fact he grew into the WW frame rather than being squeezed into it. i think cotto moved up because like alot of fighters who have lost a great fighter they find themselves with nowhere to go. they don't want to stay in the same division and play second fiddle to anyone.

i always though he was a slick operator and to be honest i was waaayyyy wrong. i remember his fight vs ndou where he showed a good defence, good combinations and he slipped alot of shots. now that i think about it though any fighter who is easily tagged by hatton and cotto (neither are very sharp punchers), can't really be all that slick. imo paulie had very poor footwork at times as well, at some points he was pulling out of clinches in straight lines and he didn't seem to realize that he was in range until too late. is this the end for him?

lol - vitalis right arm alone probably weighs 160!!

No, no and no. 3 reasons why his jab looked great 1)Malignaggi had his left hand down the whole fight 2)Khan was the taller fighter with bigger reach 3)Khan fought a disciplined fight and stuck to the gameplan doesnt make his jab particularly great. I think he still throws low and still relying mainly on speed and athleticsm. But he's going to run into someone who'll be able to go right over that jab and make him pay. i think you're right but only to a degree paulie did have his left hand way too low, he didn't move his head, he couldn't use his shoulder to deflect the jab and he couldn't use his feet to get out of the way and set himself for a counter. i definently think khans height and reach helped him last night, paulie just didn't seem to realize when khan had him in range. i do think pauli looked bad tonight and in the post fight interview he mentioned how he looked old and i'd echo that. his feet and legs weren't there to help him get out of the way, too often he was waiting for a counter punching opportunity and imo against a longer and quicker fighter that was a bad move. if he had tried to be first it might have been different. but i don't think we should try and discredit khan too much, in the end he fought a very good top 5 LWW and clearly won the fight. his jab was accurate and stiff and id have liked for him to have thrown the right hand behind it more often. imo khan needs to take on maidana to show he can go in there against a puncher and stick to a gameplan and get the W. But he's going to run into someone who'll be able to go right over that jab and make him pay. i remember thinking that a prime nate campbell or a fighter of that ilk (seasoned, tough, skilled) would have capitalised on khan mistakes. but for now credit where credit is due, khan deserves a top 3 ranking in the LWW stakes.

i think my cousins bought a bag and started going to the boxing gym. i wanted to do the same thing my reasons were mixed; partly to lose some weight, partly because boxing had always interested me and i was never much of a team player and after a while just grrew infatuated with the sport. i think iv developed a massive respect for boxers their work ethic, discipline and refusal to hide behind excuses. the ring really does bear the truth.

i dont think any coach actually teaches that as defense and i dont think any coach worth his salt would tell a fighter to change their defence if it worked for them. i just think that some fighters adopt that defense because it suits them and their physical attributes. fighters like winky wright, jamie moore, joshua clottey and AA all have one thing in common; their strength at their respective weight classes. fighters who are quick, sharp and slick (i.e. chad dawson, pbf, guzman) are not likely to adopt this defence because it doesn't suit their physical strengths. the likes of clottey and AA can absorb the opponents punches and just shake them off so they adopt the shelld and the likes of dawson and pbf can't so they have a defense that uses their sharpness and reflexes. i think a fighter with good skills, good speed, good accuracy, volume and slickness ala dawson, williams, pbf etc would just land his combos, pick you off and spin off by the time you tried to land your own. however having said that it is extremely effective against some fighters ala winky wright vs ssm/tito and AA vs taylor.