Neither of us can possible know that. Personally I think they'll never fight, and I've thought so for a long time now.
Was OST used for the Mosley-May fight, and/or will it be used for the Floyd/Ortiz fight or has Floyd been BSing all along? That's something we can actually KNOW, not just speculate about.
OST was used for the Floyd/Mosley fight. this is confirmed jackass
there are sides in every argument dude. like i said you can have your cake at times and not eat it. where is the evidence that pac is roiding?
roger mayweather confirmed the $100 million.
:bigeyes:
where is the evidence that Mosely was roiding? :alucard:
When Arum was promoting Floyd, he said that Floyd was the best fighter since Ali
since Arum said it, it must be true no?
i want to hear pacman say ( i will take the random blood test after JMM ) simple like that call floyd out with that words and i will become a pactard :)
ditto. Arum iss a lying scumbag, and manny needs to be honest and take the tests.
Circumstantial and based on nothing.
Notice i put IMO - in my opinion. Notice there also isnt any evidence that Pac is better than Tyson, its all opinion. On face value Pacs recent form looks great, but if you go into it his opponents have been lacking a lot.
Khan is the draw, Khan is the earner, Khan has the better resume.
Maidana > Alexander
Malignaggi > Nate Campbell
Kotelnik > Holt
Barrera > Edner Cherry
Salita + McCloskey = Petterson
Khan is not just a bigger draw than Bradley, Or bigger earner, or bigger resume, He has a better trainer and promoter than Bradley, Ie Roach and Goldenboy De La Hoya. Not just that Khan is a cross-over star.
Bradley is none of them, So I have said before 70-30 in favour of Khan, Bradley can go fight another Abregu if he dont like it.
even at 70/30 in favour of khan, bradley would stilll comfortably earn his highest payday.
It just defies belief that the two AMERICAN 140lb KINGS could only sell 339 tickets in a 2 month period before the "SUPERFIGHT" in the USA. And then have people go as far as saying Bradley deserves the same split as a guy who sells out 20k arenas against no name bums.
Regarding Bradley, apart from a fight against Floyd or Pac, this guy isnt going to make much money throughout the rest of his career. Its a shame really. Khan on the otherhand can afford a loos or two and still comeback and draw big numbers/sell out arenas. Khan has options, Bradley however can only rely on others to make him any sort of respectable money for a world champion.
I think it should be 50-50. Khan has a bigger fan base but Bradley is the man at 140 and Khan doesn't become that unless he beats him. If not Khan can just keep fighting the Paul Mccloskey's of the division.
100% guarentee the khan/mclosky fight will generate more revenue than any fight in bradleys career so far.
This isnt even a question, Khan will have the bigger split overall, i can see it being 52/48 US revenue, then something like 75-25 UK revenue.
Bradley being #1 doesnt mean a damn thing when it comes to negotiations when he could only sell 339 tickets in over a month for the "superfight".
I think it's stupid to break all this money down in crazy ways depending on the country. In America the money should be 50/50, right down the middle. The whole notion about Khan deserving so much more money from the U.K. is insane though. He should get more obviously but it should only be 60/40. Khan needs Bradley to build his career and it would be Khans biggest PPV. It takes two guys to tango and Tim deserves a fair shake of the UK money. Anything under 40% of the UK money, I'd walk away and tell Khan to fight someone else because it would be complete and utter disrespect for the level of fight.
If im not mistaken, Floyd didnt get any of the Uk money in the hatton fight. Was that utter disrespect?
You guys have to understand Bradley is a nobody outside the USA, actually, even in the US he is a nobody. Khan is huge in the UK and better known worldwide than Bradley. Khan generates ridiculously more money than timothy. Tims record is selling 339 tickets to a superfight, while khan was fighting bums and selling out 20k arenas. The belt being on Tims waist makes negligible difference, the only thing he gets for that is respect.
The proof is in fights, if Bradley was to fight a no name bums (ie Khan vs Mclosky) do you guys think he would be able to sell more than 1000tickets? Be honest, because thats what rates a fighters drawing ability, and thus their negotiating muscle.
Put it like this, khan reportedly took 1500 fans from the uk to the maidana fight in vegas, that would be over atleast $1500 spent by each person. How many Bradley fans (paying for tickets, not freebies) were there at the so called "superfight"? My guess would be <500.
Do you think bradley has fans willing to pay and travel 5000miles to see him fight? The proof is there that Timothy struggles to attract fans to travel 5 miles to see him fight.
Bradley would be lucky to get anything more than 35% split, real talk.
Also the original arguement was about whether khan deserves the larger share. Well, Khan consistently selling out 20k+ arenas compared to :
-Bradley struggling to fill 2k casino auditoriums in his home state of cali in his previous 3 fights before the "SUPERFIGHT" (selling <3k tickets for the 2 biggest names in american boxing at 140lb)
Food for thought.
Bradley-Alexander drew over 6000 fans to Detroit.
Khan-Maidana drew over 4000 fans to Vegas.
Bradley-Alexander TV rating was 1.345M, Khan-Maidana TV rating was 1.17M.
Those numbers tell me Bradley deserves 60/40.
I know you're joking. The "SUPERFIGHT" sold a whimpering 339 tickets 2 weeks before the date, they had to let thousands of people in for free on the night to make it look respectable. Let me remind you, these are the two american 140lb kings no less. . . .
And two foreigners fighting on US shores drew a TV rating 15% less than the AMERICAN 140lb Kings? And how many ppv subscriptions did the "SUPERFIGHT" sell? Oh, yeah, they didnt have enough confidence to put it on ppv. On the otherhand 100,000 brits stayed awake at 4am to pay and watch the KHan fight. Not to mention over 1000 people flying out from britain at a cost of well over $1000 each to fly 5,000 miles. Now ill ask again how many americans would be willing to pay that amount to see Bradley fight? As evident from the "SUPERFIGHT" people werent even willing to travel 5miles for FREE tickets to see him. Speak on it.
Not all fights pan out. Atleast they had the balls to put it on the line and make the fight. They didn't cry about this or that. Maidana ain't ****. He's slow, comes straight forward and has a **** defense. Easy matchup for Khan. Lamont Peterson for crying out loud is a tougher matchup for Khan than Maidana would be. Look deeper into the matchup than a kayo ratio, dude. Maidana was an easy matchup for Khan and the fuker still almost lost!
I would call all this out but someone got there first . .
Haha what is it with you, koltenic beat alexander and bradleys best win is beating alexander. maidana would knock the crap out of alexander and bradley.
What has american got in boxing? nothing at all left, you all are desperate for another good boxer but it is not happening
khan has a better beaten better guys at 140 and that is something even you know. bradley looked like toilet crap at 147, khan can go to 147 and 154 to fight big named guys and make money. what has bradley got left to do? nothing at all, he will fight someone like kotelnic and thats it. or talk his way into fighting pac and then getting knocked out
face it yank, your time has been long over, khan is the real deal and would beat the hell out of bradley, win like 10 out of 12 rounds.
The little midget is nothing at 140, has defeated one bum and thinks he is all that, i laugh at you yanks up your own ass
are you stupid? top 10 in the division? he has beaten kotelnic and madaina who would beat alexander, one did but got robbed in your corrupt country
are you familiar with pac's resume pre 135?
So your whole hypothesis is based on what would have happened but doesn't account for what actually did happen (Douglas/holyfield).
You're a real winner. I'm glad you taught me something tonite.
Ahh you're quite cute :bottle:
So this topic is about something which does not and can never have a definitive answer, yet you bash my opinion, of which a lot of people may agree with?
Pre 135 I would put him in the same bracket as JMM, IMO
The recent handpicked/depleted oppenant era for me hasnt proved too much.
Then real talk, fight someone else. Tims taken all the tough fights, no one labels him as a *****. Let Khan go fight the Salitas of the world and be labeled as a certified *****. No one likes Khan outside of his country and he has yet to earn any respect. If money is what he's after keep fight bums but if he wants real respect then step up and stop being a greedy ass muslim. I used to have respect for Khan but I find him to be a childish clown.
Haha so you had no response to any of the points? I was just pointing out what the split comes down - to the drawing ability of the respected fighter.
And btw, maidana is better than anyone Bradley has ever fought. . . .
And saying Khan hasnt earned any respect, then why was his fight named fight of the year? Im pretty sure they know a thing or two about boxing, and they werent all that praiseful of the performances by the two unbeaten "warriors" in the "SUPERFIGHT".
SUPER FIGHT son. Bet you loved that classic.
Probably because you're not that smart or hate manny for some reason.
Feel free to explain your reasoning.
If it wasnt for the jail sentance, there wouldnt have been any competition in the heavyweight division in the early 90's, well aside from Lewis. Just off top -Bruno/Hide/Bowe/Younger Holyfield/Mercer IMO wouldnt have been champ. Also you dont get catchweights in HW division as such.
I understand how this business works...I said Khan has done nothing to deserve the bigger split! By the time these two come to the table, Bradley could jump ship to one of the power house promoters, TR!? If that happens no way I see Bradley giving in to anything less than 50/50 or crossing the pond to fight
You obviously dont . . . Financially what sort of revenues will Bradley be adding? Nearly nothing. Khan on the other hand would be greatly increasing the revenue streams. Bradley can keep his 100% of nothing if he wants.
The facts are there, Amir khan sells tickets (9k in a few hours), Bradley doesnt (339 in 2 months). That is the reason why Khan deserves the bigger cut. Bradley doesnt fight on ppv, khan has for a few fights now. If it was a case of Khan fighting Mosely/Cotto/Margo then i would say he should accept a small cut as he isnt as well established as these guys in terms of selling etc. But Bradley deserving a 50/50 cut when he is selling 339 tickets for the first all american unification in decades? GTFO. Bradley is a bum, all he can hope for is to keep winning because once he loses he is going to fade away. Khan will lose sooner rather than later i think, but he wont have any problems drawing crowds even after he loses (ie. prescott loss).
The best thing for Bradley I think would be to fight Manny first, no doubt he would get KTFO but atleast he would be able to chalk it upto pac being superman, and he wouldnt really lose any credibility. When he loses to Khan though there isnt really anywhere for him to go from there
You do understand it goes by how well your promoted right? If Bradley jumps ship as he should the fight happens in the states with no less than 50-50...
There was plenty of promotion for the "superfight". Jumping ship really wont make much difference. You do realise when Khan was with his previous promotor he was still selling out 20k arenas?
And can you care to explain why Khan doesnt deserve it?
:lol1:. Bradley-Alexander reportedly only sold 400 tickets a week before the fight. I know that atleast half of the attendance came in for free.
This. On sky they said they were letting in and uniformed civil servants in for free. (nurses/emt's/police/army/bums off the street)
There are plenty of British fighters who have gone underappreciated.
I shouldve slightly rephrased that, world champion british boxers were never supported as poorly as Bradley is. Benn/Eubank/Calzaghe/Hatton/Haye/Lennox/Prince/Cobra/Collins/Bruno to name a few. Even Audley harrison was supported fairly well for a long time
Amir's sold out the MEN (~18k) and several other arenas in the uk before he was champ, AND in england tickets arent given away for free to boost attendance figures. If khan can sell out the MEN for the mcloskey fight (considering he is fairly unknown) then he should definately get the lions share against bradley. Regarding the unbeaten #1 140lb Bradley, 6000 spectators with the majority getting in for free in a so called "superfight" is pathetic. Khan could fight a bum over in the UK and generate more revenue than what was made in the "superfight" last month. The guy can only sell out small venues of 2500 in his home state.
It would suit both parties to have the fight in britain, in the US bradley has no pull whatsoever so i dont think the crowd would be over 8k paid. In the uk I could see the o2 arena full ~22k, possibly 30k+ if they were to take it to a football stadium. I think Hatton staged a couple of his fight at Eastlands with 40k+ attendances . . .
:lol1:. Bradley-Alexander reportedly only sold 400 tickets a week before the fight. I know that atleast half of the attendance came in for free.
Bradley holds 2 titles now WHY would he accept a 70/30 split? Let's be serious... Especially since the BOTH of them will eventually need each other down the road since they're already wiping out the division
At the end of the day the only thing Bradley is bringing to the table is the belts, very little revenue streams other than that, his superfight reportedly sold 339 tickets up until a week before, and had to comp ~5000 tickets. Khan sells out 20k arenas in the UK fighting bums, Bradley on the otherhand sells out 2k townhalls in his home state. The more i think about it, 70-30 would be generous for bradley. Had Bradley/Alexander done gangbusters at the boxoffice then there could be an argument for something closer to 50-50.
No way does Khan deserve the bigger split. This thread is ridiculous!
Its been broken down quite a few times, Khan is the bigger draw by far. The bigger draw gets the bigger cut, its as simple as that.
For example, last year the Champions League final featured Inter and Munich, total prize money for Inter was €49million, and Munich €44million. However, Manchester Utd, who were knocked out in the quater finals received €46million. So they earned more than Munich and nearly as much as Inter despite losing 2 stages earlier, playing fewer games. . . . See how things work?
A paragraph that's absolutely filled to the brim with bullshit.
Proof of Khan being able to sell out any stadium please?
He isn't PPV in the UK. That's why he had to share the PPV for the Maidana fight with 2 other cards on the same night. Added to the fact that the Malignaggi fight wasn't even on PPV. The reason more people tuned in for the Khan replay iss because that fight aired live at about 4am our time, not a lot of people want to say up till that time to watch Khan fight Paulie. Also, everyone watches the FA cup final live anyway, there's no need for them to watch the highlights. The FA cup is no-where near the magnitude of the superbowl either so don't even try and compare the two.
I agree with you on the fa cup. Its more likely than not if the unification fight was in the UK he would be able to fill 25k+. For example he sold out the MEN for the barrera fight coming off the Prescott loss, thats around 20k+ if im not mistaken. Then sold out the MEN against Kotelnik. Add to that selling out the Nottingham arena 10k twice, Metro arena - 11k, Bolton arena several times -7k just to name a few . . . . . . .
Bradley on the otherhand can only manage to sell out tiny auditoriums (circa 2500) in his home state. In his 3 previous fights as champ he fought at a 2500 capacity building. That is pathetic for a world champion especially in his home state/country. Brittish fans support their fighters, not something which can be said for the american counterparts, but then again who can blame them with the boring **** they have to watch.