Cotto beats everyone on Mayweather's resume from 140-154 except for De La Hoya at 154. I am not sure how that fight would have turned out, could have gone either way.
Who was available at 140-154 to make Floyd resume impenetrable and impregnable to a fighter of Cotto's skills? This is a circular argument as Cotto was one of the top fighters between 140-154 range. An argument could be made that he and Mayweather were the two top fighters at the time within that range (prior to margarito and his plasters).
At least starting from 140 (where Cotto started his run)
Cotto vs Bruseles (Cotto by stoppage)
Cotto vs Gatti (Cotto by stoppage)
Cotto vs Micthell (Cotto by stoppage)
Cotto vs Baldomir (Cotto by UD or late stoppage)
Cotto vs Oscar (154) (Cotto by UD. Oscar would've felt harder shots, totally different fight from Mayweather fight. Oscar at that point had only fought twice in 4 yrs).
Cotto vs Hatton (Cotto by stoppage)
Cotto vs JMM (at 140 in the current states they were and are at 140, could be toss up. At WW, Cotto UD)
Cotto vs Ortiz (I still think Cotto beats him then and currently)
i think judah would beat him
Yeah I think ZAB had that fight if it wasn't for those 2 low blows....both times they happened was when ZAB was clearly in control of the action!!
Only guy in there who takes Cotto is Oscar. Cotto beats the rest and already did beat Zab, Shane, and Corley.
He beat a worn and beaten ZAB and Corley. Corley took him to hell and back, and Zab would have ko'ed him in the first or second round had it not been for those low blows.A prime hatton would have destroyed Cotto, and if you go lower down to Carrales, costillio, I think we all know ctto would have been demolished. He has no heart, in every fight where he is tested he starts to run and quit, it shows in his eyes and his attitude. sO HELL NO, tHERE IS NO WELTERWEIGHT FIGHTING NOW THAT COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH mAYWEATHERS RESUME AT THE TIME HE DID AND REMAINED UNDEFEATED. I mean shiit, they couldn't even remain undefeated with thier own sorry ass record how in the hell they gonna do it with Mayweathers record.
That's crazy. Mosley hits harder than Oscar and Cotto had no problem with him. Oscar would most likely get knocked out with a bodyshot again.
He won a pretty clear 7 rounds to 5 against SSM, but Oscar's power is comparable to Shane's imo, also he's bigger and stylistically it's a left hooker vs another left hooker.
Body punching, and that version of Oscar legs were gone. Prime Cotto stamina might have better as well than that version of Oscar. A prime Cotto could pull the trigger quicker than that version of Oscar too.
Cotto doesn't really fight in a manner where diminished legs would be a big factor imo.......close fight because Oscar WAS FADED 100%, but i just see opportunities for him to land some big left hooks, against someone who's chin isn't even half as good as Oscar's. Oscar looked like a raisin or prune against MP and his chin was still pretty good.
what does Cotto do better than Oscar?
Body punching, and that version of Oscar legs were gone. Prime Cotto stamina might have better as well than that version of Oscar. A prime Cotto could pull the trigger quicker than that version of Oscar too.
oscar at 154 knocks cotto out
That's crazy. Mosley hits harder than Oscar and Cotto had no problem with him. Oscar would most likely get knocked out with a bodyshot again.
what was so great about the oscar that floyd fought? just because he gave floyd problems doesn't mean he was a great fighter. he was marching forward throwing a ton of ineffective punches and couldn't setup anything. it was rather sad to see and i thought maybe it was just floyd's great defense but nope against forbes and pac the same oscar showed up.
what does Cotto do better than Oscar?
what was so great about the oscar that floyd fought? just because he gave floyd problems doesn't mean he was a great fighter. he was marching forward throwing a ton of ineffective punches and couldn't setup anything. it was rather sad to see and i thought maybe it was just floyd's great defense but nope against forbes and pac the same oscar showed up.
standard post by daggum, it ignores:
- the fact that Mayweather won 9 rds to 3 without taking any risks offensively bar round four (or it could have been round 5)
- the punches were ineffective because he couldn't find Floyd who was moving alot, and his own feet don't move with any urgency.
- the Forbes fight was after the Maywweather fight and at 150, where his face was bruised after the bout from a light hitting Forbes.....a sure sign he struggled with the weight loss (Roach actually mentioned this fight and the fact it was visible Oscar struggled with the weight).
- Couldn't resist throwing MP's name in the mix, actually being such a big dick rider as to suggest the same Oscar that showed up against Floyd was the same one that showed up against Pac....:notworthy:notworthy Floyd would have "Gatti'd that version of Oscar at 147, in the same manner MP did or any top welter would have done.
- And the biggest point you missed is that invariably when two left hook specialists who like to fight face each other the one with the better left hook, better power and better chin wins. Cotto likes to stand and fight, Oscar wouldn't have to find the target, he could just tee off like he did against Mayorga the fight before his match with FMJ.
Probably a good fight because Oscar was faded when he fought Floyd, but at 154 he would beat Cotto. Prime for prime Cotto isn't actually even in Oscar's league and this is coming from an ODLH hater......i hate, but recognising reality is also important, and the reality is that Oscar was a pretty damn handy fighter, who has alot of good names on his resume, win or lose.
I think he'd steam roll Mayweather's opponents.
I think the toughest fight would have been 154 Oscar. It would have been a war for the first 6 rounds, and then I think Cotto would give him a beating in the second half. DLH was just a part-timer with not much left in the gas tank. If that fight would have happened, Pacquaio wouldn't have had the opportunity to beat up Oscar and become who he is.
JMM and Hatton were out of their weightclasses who both would have gotten murked. JMM worse than Hatton. The JMM that Floyd fought was just sad, bloated twinkie eating bastard who was just there for the $. Sad display for fans.
Honestly, I would have loved a prime Castillo/Cotto. Would have been a war at even weights.
KLTP;10928294']Wrong thread Jro.
Actually it belongs in this thread.
Because, it's obvious that people think THAT VERSION OF OSCAR could KTFO of a prime Cotto. Because, of what he did to Mayorga a year earlier.
Like if that was some big accomplishment.
KO'ing that version or any version of Mayorga for that matter is one thing. Fighting a prime Miguel Cotto is a whole different animal.
Prime for Prime Oscar dominates Cotto at any weight.
Prime Cotto against that version of Oscar is a close fight that I would give the edge to Cotto. That version of Oscar wasn't that good at all.
That version of Oscar against the post Margarito/Pacquiao version of Cotto. Then I will give the edge to that version of Oscar.
But, I don't see that version of Oscar KO'ing a prime Cotto.
Hell a prime version of Oscar never KO'd any elite prime fighter above 140. So how is Oscar being part time fighter/full time promoter past prime fighter going to KO an elite prime Cotto?
Because, Floyd beat him? So we have to make Floyd wins better than what they really are. So we have to portray his opponents as monsters? Or is it because we going by Oscar reputation ignoring that fact that wasn't the same Oscar of the 90's? Or was it because he KO'd a guy who didn't accomplished anything worthy above 147 a year earlier?
WTF did Mayorga do above 147? What exactly was it? Beat Picirillo? Get his chin cracked by Tito?
I mean FFS's. Tito coming out of a long ass layoff Put an ass whoopin on Mayorga..
Matter of what did Mayorga do after KO'ing Forrest? He arguably lost to Forrest in the rematch, lost to Spinks(who wasn't all that) and then became a mouth for the rest of his career.
What Mayorga do above 147? Anybody....
Wrong thread Jro.
WTF did Mayorga do above 147? What exactly was it? Beat Picirillo? Get his chin cracked by Tito?
I mean FFS's. Tito coming out of a long ass layoff Put an ass whoopin on Mayorga..
Matter of what did Mayorga do after KO'ing Forrest? He arguably lost to Forrest in the rematch, lost to Spinks(who wasn't all that) and then became a mouth for the rest of his career.
What Mayorga do above 147? It must be that he beat a shot to shit Vargas. Is that the reason people think highly of a win over Mayorga at 154?
oscar at 154 knocks cotto out
i actually agree even though it wasn't "the best" Oscar at 54, Cotto is there to be hit, Oscar would have stopped him with a left hook. He just couldn't "find" Mayweather.