The real problem is that Spence stands taller than almost all of the other welters in addition to his overwhelming power and relentless style.
So Thurman would have to deal with a big difference in reach and height as well as all the other stuff.
Crawford is not doing much better in that department either and he would be coming from a lower weightclass too.
Honestly the way I see it, Brook was going to be Spence's biggest problem and he overcame him in strong fashion. So the WW division is up for grabs for Spence.
That #Strapseason thing he keeps mentioning is not a joke.
Brook was ahead on all scorecards, if he wasnt get damaged and almost ruined by GGG he would have easily got the win tonight, thats 100% a fact.. it was 11 rounds and he was so far ahead on the judges scorecards too.Are you saying that if it wasn't for the eye, Brook would have survived those last 2 rounds?
Are you sure?
It's that hunger man. I know it because I've got it, just in a different facet(school). He is on some "I want to take over the world!!" type **** you know what I mean? Plus the fact that this fight was 50/50 with people (with good reasoning) genuinely thinking he would get beat. It makes it that much more satisfying.Yeah, I could really feel Spence's hunger starting to show. He was getting pressured by Brook, but he showed real grit like a champ.
His mental strength is noteworthy, which is something you could tell from his relentless style and patience, but in a fight like this you can really separate the lies from the truths.
Brook should have vacated the belt, his camp vastly underestimated Spence. This fight was too soon, not for Spence, but for Brook.
And now Brook might want to think about retirement with his eye and all.
A big flaw I've seen from him for years now is that he loads up on all of his shots. He needs to be more confident in his punching power and add variety of power to his shots. His style is search and destroy and with a style like that he would benefit from more volume punching, but you can't do that when you load up on each and every shot. He doesn't set up his punches well enough like that.
If it wasn't for his jab doing all of this for him he would get out boxed against top level opponents. It didn't happen this time, but eventually he might run into someone who can shut his jab down and he would be in big trouble.
What's all this nonsense about combos? Neither fighter was able to throw combos because they smothered each other. Brook was holding onto Spence when he tried throwing combos and Spence was going for dual exchanges when Brook was trying to do combos.
All of you need to give Spence more credit for pushing Brook to that point.
I will say that Brook should have vacated the belt, coming off a loss and having to drop in weight that much is not a good idea against Spence. They didn't give Spence the respect they should have. He's dangerous.
Well, Spence might be taller than Thurman but he dosen't seem to know how to use his reach advantage so good. He had the reach advantage against Brook but almost never used it.
When you look at a guy like Crawford, he's got the same arm length as Spence, so Spence would basically be only stronger/heavier, but Crawford would be faster/more technical.He didn't need his reach against Brook, because he kept moving forward against Spence. The few times Brook tried to create distance though he got clocked with a lead right hook from Spence.
Thurman would probably try to keep his distance more against Spence, but with Spence being bigger it would become a big problem. Thurman would have to go in big circles around Spence and thus burning more energy and thus getting even more bothered by Spence's body punches. I don't see Thurman reaching the 12th round against Spence. If he did then he's tough as nails.
Crawford has the craftiness advantage, but I just think Spence has too much power for him. He's already a weight class above him and he also has the height advantage. A fight with Spence doesn't make too much sense for him.
Porter could be a very annoying fight for Spence however, but I have this feeling that Spence would destroy him.
No fighter that is 35 years old is in his prime. There's absolutely no way you can argue that. It's not about fanbases, agendas, haters, fanboys, or whatever. No matter who you are, a 35 year old is not in his prime. Not Floyd, not Foreman, not RJJ and not even BHop who continued fighting for 15 years more.
Some styles/sizes age better than others - that is true. The more you rely on speed and reflexes the more vulnerable you are to age. George Foreman's style translated well into twilight of his career, while someone like David Haye is nowhere near the same fighter he was in his 20s. Lomachenko is going to be a shadow of his former self in 5 years, while Hopkins' crafty style survived well over the years.
If this is about Canelo (which it looks like), then yeah, this fight will forever be tainted because Golden Boy waited for Golovkin to age - no matter who wins. The same arguments are made all the time about Floyd, Calzaghe and Marciano with different degrees of truth in each case.What you're saying doesn't make much sense. If speed and reflexes go first with age, then Golovkin should be fine because he's always been slow.
But then,
When we look at Mayweather, he was arguably the most spectacular when he was around the 35 age mark. For example, he beat Canelo when he was 36.
And everyone who says Canelo waited for Golovkin to age is a biased Golovkin fan.
Are people not realizing that Canelo himself has yet to even hit his own prime? Fighters tend to peak at 30, because at that age your physical ability is still there with the culmination of your skill and experience all coming together in harmony. Canelo is 26!!
The age difference between GGG and Canelo was always going to be a problem and let's not forget who needs who. The fact that this fight is going to happen at all only speaks to Canelo's heart as a fighter. GGG should be lucky he's only 35.
He is up there with the best I've seen.
His resume is pretty big already with dominating wins over Gary Russel Jr. Nicholas Walters, Guillermo Rigondeaux...actually he dominated everyone except for Salido.
Speaking of Salido, that fight was an embarrassment to boxing. It shouldn't even be considered. It works pretty good as a curve ball to casuals though.
For me Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson and Vasily Lomachenko are the top 3 in my eyes. As you can tell, records aren't the end all be all for me. Otherwise I would look at guys like Rocky Marciano and Floyd Mayweather. I still prefer the good old eye test.
Wanting to be recognized for an achievement is not gloating for fùcks sake. He's not gloating. There is no smugness or malignant pleasure going on here.
The man was correct and should be recognized for it. Why is that a bad thing?He made a thread to directly ask for apologies. I don't know how else you would define "smugness".
The title of this thread pretty much says it all doesn't it?
extremely suspicious. him and errol spence are the two most obvious roiders in the sport. roid bellies, roid nipples, steroid power punches. etc. etc.Damn dude, so everyone with puffy nipples is on roids? wow thats the most ignorant bullcrap ive heard all year
its a naturally occurring problem thats caused by hormonal imbalance during teen years
i know all this because i have it as well and i sure as fk didnt take any steroids
Very true... He's clearly retarded, but He's been asking for it for far too long...
Originally, I wasn't going too. But after being provoked to death with threats and racist language, I finally gave in...
If you know anything about the military, you know members can't be on the internet doing dumb schit.
But he pushed me to the limit so I said what the hell. All I asked him was to come alone, pick the gym and bring no cameras or weapons. He agreed. I post my bag work, next thing I know he's threatening to bring Seal Team 6.
Needless to say the event got cancelled so here we are.
But you are correct. He's clearly off his rocker which is why I anticipated on things going south and wanted him to not bring any cameras. That's neither here nor there, just like Charlie Z, somebody's gotta bust this boy's assSomebody really doesn't. Charlie Z got his ass kicked by everyone and he's still in denial. Do you expect it to go any differently with this guy right here?
Dude, save yourself the trouble because its beyond not being worth it.
Well hopefully you're still on here talking schit then. We won't have any problems will we?
Not sure why you're so concerned with a date. Last time I gave you one, you did everything in your power to get it cancelledDude, why are you trying to fight someone who is clearly a very delusional guy.
His bagwork reminds me of a boxfit class for the mentally challenged.
I don't know either of you, but if you're in the army then you're an entirely different breed than him.
This guy belongs in the ring with Charlie Zelenoff and that's me being generous.
Just ignore the dude, what are you doing? lmao
Hes alright, its kind of hard to put him in top 20 MW all time, because his first 2 competitive opponents made him look incredibly average compared to the hype surrounding him.
People were making statements like he was going to be the best MW of all time, but in his first real challenge he failed to make a convincing performance.
I like Canelo, but he's not that great either. He would get a one-sided ass kicking by the top 10 MWs of all time. And GGG failed to get a convincing win against him. Robbery or not, Canelo and him are the same level and they're both not good enough for this kind of recognition.
Canelo might still get into that top 20 if he gets some solid wins against the top guys in the division. His luck is that he started early and he is now the same age as GGG when he turned pro. That gives him time to build up his resume some more, but it also means he still has time to fail and crash his legacy.
Either way, if you put GGG in the top 20...barely, I could maybe understand but if you put him in the top 15 you are a fanboy that fell for the hype.
What's the condition though? Because without any preparation Floyd would annihilate all of the older fighters in his weight.
If the older fighters were allowed a year of training in these modern times then its a different story, but without any of that Floyd goes through them like butter.
The older guys were probably more gifted, but Floyd is a much more polished fighter than them.
I know some of you might think I'm crazy, but don't look down on modern fighters too much. Training methods have kept evolving and the difference it would make in an actual fight is nothing too laugh about.
His straight right is the hardest punch at HW, there's no doubt about that at all. His other punches are not in the same league though. Take away his one two and he doesn't have much left and if there's anyone who can do that it's Tyson Fury who took away klitschkos one two.Definitely his right straight is the hardest punch at HW. I'll actually double down on that punch and say it's the best right straight of all time in the HW division.
The power of his right straight is crazy and definitely way up there, but I would argue that there have been others like it. However the thing that sets his right straight apart from all the others is the SPEED. That thing comes flying out with about the same velocity as Mayweather's, but this guy is a fkn HW. It's almost a joke.
I used to be a Canelo fan until the failed tests. I can't love him anymore, but I still love boxing.
GGG was arm-punching the whole fight, because he became too cautious of Canelo's explosiveness. Abel Sanchez was telling GGG to engage Canelo, but he didn't listen and started boxing Canelo from the outside.
Imo GGG got scared when Canelo hit him with that feint - left hook in the 2nd round. I think GGG got the closest he ever was to getting knocked out by a punch. His entire attitude changed after that punch. I know this because I've seen Canelo do it before. All of Canelo's opponents tend to fear him and he's very good at intimidating his opponents with his vicious punches.
But, I never expected it to happen to GGG. The dude actually got scared. All the way down to the subconscious level, because he refused to trade with Canelo even though he was asking for this exact kind of fight. I can't imagine GGG consciously avoiding Canelo and ignoring Abel Sanchez who was asking him to engage Canelo on the inside, so the fear must have been subconscious.
He threw almost 0 bodyshots and resorted almost entirely to jabs and distance control. Which he did splendidly of course. But everyone knows that when a fighter refuses to throw bodyshots he fears getting hit. And for the type of fighter Golovkin is and claims to be, it is a bit shameful to run away from fighting on the inside.
Canelo showed more heart and desire than Golovkin and it won him the fight.
If GGG fans want to point fingers, they should point it at their guy because at the end of the day GGG did not deliver.
clean, effective punches landed is what you count in a fight
the rest is nothing but pretentious bull**** and redundant crap
defense doesn't count for **** when it comes to points
I don't care if you make your opponent miss more than a drunk guy trying to hit a pinata, if he still outlanded you and hurt you because you were too busy doing your sweet pea stuff to even throw punches in that round, then sorry, he won that round.So does that mean you think Canelo won? Because clean effective punches tend to leave some nasty cuts and bruises on the face.
Honestly, I felt like Canelo was throwing everything but his kitchen sink at GGG and the dude was just not getting rocked by any of it. Although that left hook in the 2nd round from Canelo was probably the closest we will ever see GGG to getting hurt. It still did little more than put some doubt in GGG.
His chin is ridiculous, but you can't tell me that in a war between 2 power punchers, the guy with the disfigured face won the fight....
No, I think it should have been a draw, both were unable to clearly impose on the other
GGG's chin is legendary, he's on Toney or Mercer level..but yeah this was the closest he's gotten to being hurt, he looked really umcomfortable at times with those body shots, if GGG ever gets ko'd it will be by body shot, because his chin is just granite
regarding post fight skin damage, that doesn't prove that much, otherwise Pacquiao clearly lost to Joshua ClotteyIt's impossible to "clearly" impose on GGG, because you can't hurt him and he doesn't tire.
But I did feel like Canelo imposed himself more on GGG than the other way around and he landed more and better power punches. He did get completely outjabbed by GGG but to be honest, without that jab from GGG this wouldn't have been a competitive fight.
I would even say that when your jab is the only thing keeping you in the fight you lost. I felt the same way about Lara vs Canelo. Jabs are important, but you can't get crapped on in the power punches department and then think your jab will make up for it.
That's a clean rib shot, the only part of Canelo's glove that went past his back was his thumb. If he'd landed it on ggg's right in that spot that's a liver shot.
Hatton literally broke Castillo's ribs with this punch in the same area on the opposite side:
https://nicholasspyer.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/box_g_hatton_300.jpg
They were exchanging on the inside until that body shot followed by the left which did knock ggg's head to the side, backed him up and had him peddling backwards afraid to engage.I'm glad you brought that punch up, because if people are ignoring shots like these and even need triple viewings just to see it then I can understand why they would think GGG won the fight.
They've come down with a serious case of ****intheeyes.
And btw, the camera work from the 12th round video in this thread is horrendous. It switches over to different cameras at horrible times. I recommend a different channel with proper camera work, because that was unacceptable.
I'm fairly certain Wilder would've knocked Parker out. He looked open to a right straight all night, but AJ lacked the speed to bring that shot home.
Wilder's right straight is like lightning and that's the exact punch he would bodybag AJ with. That lack of head movement and panicky defense is a horrendous match up with Wilder. AJ shouldn't fight Wilder until he's ready to take the L and get as much profit off of it as possible.
I can only see their fight going 1 way.
If I had to choose pride in my race or self loathing for the sins of the distant past...I choose pride.
That does NOT make a person racist at all.No it makes you fcking stupid for not realizing that you don't have to choose between pride and self-loathing.
As a boxer he's going to be outclassed against many of the top fighters in the division, but his speed and power is exceptional even when you look back in history.
So his strategy is as far as I'm concerned, spot on. Basically he sucks, but he's not human so he can win with his cheat athleticism anyway.
And it's definitely entertaining to watch. The excitement of the impending knock(down/out) that can happen at any moment keeps me engaged. It's the polar opposite of watching a guy like Lomachenko or Mayweather who are brilliant boxers and make everything look good for 12 rounds.
Kovalev had no conviction in his punches because Canelo is a champion counter puncher. He wants people to commit a punch, so that he can clobber them with his iron fists. If you can remember, he even made GGG doubt himself at times.
Kovalev didn't freely commit, so Canelo was mostly limited to countering to the body. The height difference saved Kovalev for most of the fight. But if Kovalev committed a few times too much with say "a chopping right" then Kovalev would have had a nice retirement nap in the early rounds.
And if you think the fight was fixed, I urge you to watch the final moments of the fight again and observe the 2 right hands Kovalev takes before he goes lamb and limp. From the 2nd overhand right Kovalev took, he was already wobbling. He composes himself fairly quick, but from there his head is already spinning. Then he takes a HEAVY left hook under the ear and it's all over. The last punch was just Canelo doing his job as a professional fighter.
Why? What did GGG really achieve in his professional boxing career?
I have not seen anything spectacular from him.
And like it or not, but he did not beat Canelo. Sure the judges were in Canelo's favor, but as the bigger man with the supposedly bigger ambitions (at the time) he did not show us a convincing fight against Canelo. Who stylistically, should be a very good match for GGG.
The way he was getting promoted, he should have 100% knocked Canelo out. He didn't even wobble him. That's why the draw was warranted to me. Canelo was tailor made for him. GGG should have shown us something much better than what he did that night but he FAILED to deliver.
All I will remember GGG by is "dude had heavy hands". That's it. That's all his HOF will amount to for me.
And in the current state of affairs, GGG is top 10 P4P. Absolutely forget top 3, no way, no how.