He might not be an mma fighter or even the best but I don't think he's hurting the sport in anyway.
He has very little skill, makes more money then anyone in the top 40 at HW and is being billed as an "Internet street fight legend".
They hype him up like he will fight anyone, but he has ducked at least 10 pro fighters. Two of whom said they would fight him for free.
He is a joke, and only used by EXC to make the money and appeal to the stupid lowest common denominator crowed.
Just want to break this down.
I have been a fan of MMA since it was called Vale Tudo in Brazil. Before the UFC or any of that garbage existed.
Kimbo is not an MMA fighter. He is an absolute bum who doesn't do anyhting but fight other bums. He has no skill at all, and was beat down in a street fight by an F level former pro boxer who was even horrible at boxing named Sean Gannon. Sean then went into MMA and faced Brandon Lee Hinkle, another horrible fighter, and lost in 20 seconds.
No real fan of MMA thinks of Kimbo as an MMA fighter. Elite XC promoting him is hurting our sport, and Kimbo is a complete and utter joke.
So your friends don't know shit about boxing or MMA and are probably gigantic ******s.
Wow so kimbo is ducking people already :lol1: and when did he duck them? and so you think by that he is hurting the sport?
He is a street fighting bum and is being promoted in MMA like he wouldn't lose to anyone in the top 50.
It's bad for the sport because Mixed Martial Arts has many extremely talented and trained Athletes and it's struggling to gain mainstream acceptance because people think it's no different then street fighting. Which is completley wrong. Yet Kimbo is being promoted on Shotime as a street fighter and competing in MMA on a major network.
Meldrick Taylor
Robbed against Chavez and suffered extreme brain damage from the fight. he now has pugilistic dementia and was never even remotely the same afterwards.
(Ps, people on this forum rather talk about how Floyd mayweather is the best ever then actually have a good discussion about boxing, because most don't know much about the sport).
how the fuck does anyone get a decision over floyd, he might knock him out but how can u see that? explain
It's true. Look at Castillo. He beat Floyd around the ring. Landed more punches, landed more power shots, had a higher connect percentage and the idiotic judges still gave it to Floyd.
A lot of that information has to be incorrect.
If they did 1.5 million PPV buys in the US it would be the record, not close to it.
Also most of China could not even get the fight. I have friends who live in a very wealthy part of Beijing and they couldn't get it at all.
We need to wait for Golden Boy to confirm the numbers first.
None of those sources are credible. The sun is an online gossip paper for idiots. Their top story today is about someones Hamster being murdered for gods sake.
The only sick athletes in MMA is Silva, Hughes, Penn, Sherk and GSP. REAL TALK.
Boxing has many many sick sick athletes.
is this a fucking joke?
You don't know much about Mixed Martial Arts. There are dozens of amazing athletes.
Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto
He walks around at 140. He fights at 145-155 and he has knocked out 170 pound fighters. He would also be representing Japan in Olympic wrestling this year (Unlike boxing, all of the top wrestlers in the world compete in the Olympics, it's the top of the top) if he didn't injure his shoulder. He was also a X4 Nevada state wrestling champion, then moved to Japan and became the number 2 140+ wrestler in the country while competing in both Kickboxing and Mixed Martial Arts becoming the number 1, 145 pound MMA fighter on earth. Also got sponsored by Nike, Jordan etc.. etc..
He is just 1 of dozens of other fighters just like him.
You only list UFC fighters, which houses only like 1/3 of the top fighters.
yeah kballs mad cool but thats crazyyy .,..i really hope mayweather dont leave boxing 2 go to mma ...wat if he got his ass beat !!!??? mma fans would never stop if our p4p best got beat up in there sport lol
MMA fans wouldn't say anything. 99percent of the time mayweather gets beat down in MMA against a good fighter. Everyone knows this, because he is a boxer.
it's not a big deal. Just like 100 percent of the time the MMA fighter losses to Mayweather in boxing. They are different sports.
Outside of hard core boxing fans nobody knows who 90 percent of those fighters are. The other 10 percent include names that have been around the sport for a long time (mosely, Vargas, Oscar, Pac etc..).
MMA fans represent the part of the public that really don't know much about boxing. So when they say there was only 2 big fights, they might be wrong but it shows you that boxing is just promoting the same names it always does.
In America, boxing is falling off a bit. Nobody is saying MMA is surpassing it, but nobody can deny it is. The big fights normally include fighters from other countries and when Floyd and Oscar retire, the big draws in American boxing are gone with no new ones in sight. I live Williams to death, but he will never be a big draw. With more and more foreign fighters doing well in boxing, and less American fighters drawing the big crowds, many divisions may end up being in the state the HW one is now.
Oscar and Floyd saved boxing this year. MMA forced boxing to step it up and they did. However, the trouble for boxing is not over yet. There challenge is to create the next big American draw or boxing could go the way of Kickboxing in the next decade. Huge in europe/overseas - not so much in America.
i agree, but the thread is just discussion 2007. "who had the best year?" some of the mma fans believed boxing wasnt even a factor in 07's financially and quality wise.
The MMA fans that think boxing sucked in 07 are MMA fans who don't know shit about MMA. Probably the just the trash that go to bars and act like Tito is a good fighter.
Trust me when I say that the educated MMA fans, know how well boxing did.
and thats why Boxing had an all around better year?
How many UFC events were there this year?
usually in a UFC event they put a lot of big names, since there isn't too many PPV.. Not like boxing.
Yet Boxing PPV usually have one big name fight or two and the rest are ok or shit but thousands of people still pay to see them.
Miguel Cotto vs Shane Mosley did pretty well and I doubt that if you just put one big name fight in a UFC card it wouldn't get as much views as a boxing match.
Isn't to many PPV?
There is 14 PPV's a year, and 12 fight nights. Thats the UFC alone. Not including many other Mixed Martial Arts organizations.
Also, the biggest UFC PPV is coming up on the 29th.
Yes boxing has a better year. They had some good cards. Just like MMA had a better year last year.
They are different sports, and MMA is still young. If Anything there is to much MMA on TV and PPV. If they had half the PPV's they normally do and actually had decent time to promote them, they would sell better. However they are still selling well. Averaging around 400k buys this year.
Let me break it down for you guys.
Mixed Martial Arts fighters can't box like boxers do. It simply does not work in MMA. MMA fighters have to look out for elbows, takedowns, clinches, standing chokes, kicks and a variety of other things that can happen.
Boxing does not teach you how to defend against any of this. It is true that some MMA fighters train with boxers and boxing coaches, but thats to learn how to throw the punch, not use the defense.
This causes MMA fighters striking, in some cases to look sloppy, when in reality it's how they HAVE to fight. They don't have much of a choice.
Comparing the two sports is pretty stupid. If an MMA fighter went into Mixed Martial Arts and started using boxing defense and footwork, they would be dominated. I would not want to see some guy pop in there with the philly shell, get thai clinched and kneed into another demension.
The top MMA fighters are all world class athletes. Just like the top boxers are. At the end of the day they are much different sports, that use different types of strikes and need different types of defense.
MMA fans have learned this, some boxing have as well. I can't wait for the day when both can get along and respect eachothers sports.
If you guys want to see the next generation of MMA fighter. Just go look at GSP.
He is almost a black belt in BJJ, Black belt in TKD, black belt in Kyokushin(started at age six) Karate, trains WBA light-middleweight world champion Joachim Alcine and goes 8 5 minute rounds with him. trains Judo and does Muay Thai with phil nurse. He also trains with the Canadian Olympic wrestling team and was going to try out (and from the sounds of it make it to) for the Olympics this year, but took the fight with Hughes instead. Also understand the Olympics for wrestlers is not like for boxers. The best wrestlers alive go to the Olympics.
Also, The Silva Vs Chuck fight was not one of the best fights ever. It was only one of the best to uneducated fans. It was entertaining, but I have seen better.
If boxing fans actually learned about grappling, they would enjoy MMA much more. Grappling is probably the most complicated aspect of any sport on earth today. Becoming a black belt can take many years of dedication, and you have to learn phonebooks worth of information.
When I hear boxing or sport fans say "they are just hugging on the ground" it makes me laugh. Why? simple, it shows how completely and utterly idiotic they are. It's like watching people play chess and saying "They are just moving little pieces of plastic around", or watching football and saying "they are just throwing a weird shaped ball at eachother".
Prime Tyson would KO all those MMA guys in under 10 seconds.
No he would get sub'd like a chump
Tyson has gone on record and said he was amazed when he first saw top MMA fighters. He said he always thought he was the baddest mother fucker alive but wouldn't fuck with some of these guys.
It was a great fight, but Floyd is far from the best ever. Far far from it. Especially since Castillo beat him, landed more punches, higher connect percentage and tossed more punches as well, but was robbed.
Floyd is damn good tho.
Boxing and UFC really aren't the same kind of genre. I look at it as one is about an honest, clean fight, and the other is about gratuitous dog-fighting on par with whatever Michael Vick is about.
That because you're an idiot.
Paul Williams could, he is to big and his reach is to much for Floyd. He also has nice speed.
Floyd is an amazing fighter, but he has shown weakness. He is not unbeatable.
He should have lost to Castillo. Castillo landed more punches, he landed more power punches and he had a higher connect percentage. The only reason Floyd is undefeated right now is because the judges are idiots. You can't argue with compubox numbers.
If a boxing promoter took a page from other combat sports like Kickboxing in Japan and got a TV contract for one big fight, the amount of people that would tune in would be ridicules.
If Mayweather Vs Hatton was on live TV (not HBO but ESPN for example), running commercials would be more valuable then the Superbowl and I am pretty sure as many people would tune in.
It would bring in retarded amounts of money.
What's the song about then? I put it on quite often but never bothered to listen to what the fella is saying
It's about how America has turned into a complete and utter shit hole sell out and the Vietnam war is a complete joke.
wait, did you say the ref was against Hatton? The same ref that let Mayweather elbow Hatton at least 7 times, duck below the belt and took a point from Hatton for hitting the ropes?
... ok then.
wtf is up with your sig? Lyoto aint even close to the same style as Mayweather. which fights of his have you seen?
thats actually extremely funny to me. I really like Hughes. Along with Henderson, theyre probebly my favorite mma fighters. Theyre some of the few mma guys that dont fight like sloppy ass guys, and only use their striking to try and set up takedowns. I HATE it when mma guys try to strike, and looks so horrible. They need to only be using ground techniques, because thats what theyre best at.
I thought it was funny also. As soon as the event ended Hughes sat down to watch boxing.
Thats because both sports are good. I don't see why boxing fans feel so threatened of Mixed Martial Arts. People can enjoy both.
There are some good strikers in MMA, striking in MMA is just different then boxing. If you tried to strike like a boxer in MMA you would get fucked up because the defense is totally wrong for that type of fighting. Just like if an MMA fighter went into a boxing match they would get sat down.
However there are good strikers. Like Anderson Silva, Mark Hunt and Jerome Le banner (who used to be signed with Don King until he ditched him after being undefeated as a pro boxer and went back to kickboxing).
Both fighters looked like shit until the 8th round when Floyd turned it up. Please don't act like this was Floyd best performance because it was far from it.
However, Nice hook to end it.
Both fighters were extremely boring until the 8th round.
I don't know why people are acting like Floyd was exciting. He was clinching as much as Hatton and ducking below the belt most of the fight. He also landed only 12 punches a round, and Hatton 6.
I love MMA and boxing both. I don't understand why people can't have respect for both sports.
When someone says "oh they are just dry humping on the floor" it makes me laugh. Wrestling and Jiu Jitsu takes a long time to master, it takes decades to earn a black belt in many cases and thats just one small aspect of Mixed Martial Arts.
You have guys who are going on 30 years old and have been training BJJ for 20 years yet are still not even masters. You have Olympic athletes who have earned gold medals, much like boxing and have been in sports and competing since almost birth.
The Ultimate Fighter finale was far better then the Hatton vs Floyd card. Simply because the under card on Undefeated sucked horribly, while almost every single fight on the TUF finale was a good matchup that showed tons of skills.
I wouldn't be surprised if TUF finale had more viewers simply because it was on a free TV but there is no doubt that the night belonged to Hatton Vs Mayweather in terms of interest.
The ultimate fighter series is not that good, and to even compare it to literally one of the most hyped fights in boxing in many years is kind of stupid.
Mixed Martial Arts is a new sport and there is FAR more to the sport then the UFC. The fighters on TUF are generally on beginners, like watching a boxing fight against guys who have 1-0 pro records.
Just because you are posting on "boxingscene" doesn't give you a right to bash another sport. Both boxers and MMA fighters are talented athletes who deserve the respect of everyone."