Miguel Cotto = Overrated

Not because he's beaten nothing but faded champs and inexperienced fringe contenders barely out of the Olympics, and not because most of his wins were at a weight class that he was too big for, but because people consider him to be this much of a threat to Floyd Mayweather even after knowing these facts. All that we've been getting directly proceeding Mayweather's brutal KO victory, is references to Cotto this and how Floyd is ducking him or avoiding him, etc, etc.. Listen. I am being so honest when I say that Miguel Cotto is absolutely nothing without PBF. You are building him into another Margarito based on Floyd's name; it is an endless cycle. The acclaim basically comes from two wins through out his 31 fight and 7 year (nearly) career. Mosley and Zab Judah * It is so undeniably hilarious that Floyd almost gets no credit for beating Zab, but Cotto does, even with the year lay-off and previous 2 losses. It bewilders the mind. * Mosley is 36 (4 years away from 40) and hasn't had a belt since 2003. That is four years out of your prime. Even Oscar is only 34 and had a belt when Mayweather fought him. Mosley had been reduced to fighting contenders and washed up former champions. He hadn't been a belt holder at Welter Weight since 2001. Cotto was barely starting his career the last time he was Welter weight champ, 6 full calendar years ago. Therefore, Cotto's status among some of his deranged fans is unjustified. Moving up from 140 before winning a lineal title is already a bad sign and he still hasn't won one, yet Mayweather did in his 18th fight. If Mayweather leaves then it is up to him to fight for lineal supremacy, but depending on a semi-retired Floyd Mayweather for it is just being a crybaby. Work like he did and tell your fans to stop bitching. Maybe someday you'll be as great as Floyd Mayweather jr... Paul Williams would kill Cotto btw, imho..:) oh fucking boy here we go, before the talks of Cotto-Floyd you never came out to THIS kind of extent to downplay Cotto, you act like floyd fought the VERY fucking best out there yo get real for a second, Cotto has taken more 0's from people than Floyd has and has beaten some GOOD guys, fuck looking at HOW he did it(i.e Shane Mosley and Zab Judah) because you the same guy never letting out a peep on Floyd against Castillo which BTW I re-watched the fight, Floyd lost, I still think he's the greatest our era has produced but he lost that fight I just didn't want to make a whole subject about it again, fuck a broken hand dogz don't sit here and try to justify Floyd's performance against Jose and downplay Miguel against Shane I don't care how old Shane was and how good of a fight he gave Cotto.. i know your style and I know what you will say to a reference to the Castillo fight, "his hand was hurt and he still held his own" but leave the alibi's elsewhere.. it seems EVERYTHING you post is in defense of Floyd Mayweather, I ain't no Cotto fan BTW before you accuse of being one I'm a BOXING fan and I respect BOTH fighters but Floyd lost that fight, I have gone on record before as saying differently but over time you see a fight and you cut the volume to X out commentators and you look at each round for the punches and you come to realize whats what, if Miguel got a DRAW against Mosley then Floyd LOST to Castillo.. you make excuses for all of these opponents Floyd has, you name the age and the belts but count the victories, Oscar's only decisive wins before Floyd were Vargas and Mayorga, he lost ALL of the others INCLUDING Floyd he just managed to rob Sturm to preserve a Hopkins fight.. don't sit here and try to justify Floyd's win over Zab and not Cotto's, Cotto STOPPED him, made him take a knee, he obliterated Zab and DIDN'T get knocked down by him(YES it was a KD), Cotto beat Judah in a better fashion thats why he gets more respect, the year lay off must not have had THAT much effect on Zab if he came back fighting the way he fought that night, I haven't seen such a good Judah since the Spinks win and you want to sit there and talk about layoffs? c'mon dogz be for real here.. Cotto doesn't need Floyd nor does Floyd need Cotto, Floyd can walk away right now and Cotto will be just as great as he was meant to be WITHOUT Floyd, Floyd ain't the only threat out there and Cotto knows what he's doing.. Cotto fought MORE SOLID contenders than what Floyd has faced hows about that? you want to talk about opposition? Cotto beat Sosa, Corley, Jukko and Judah and thats only to name opponents they BOTH faced and Cotto KO'ed them all while Floyd went the distance with them, on top of those guys Cotto beat Abdulaev, Malignaggi, Quintana, Branco, Pinto, N'Dou, Urkal, Torres, Bailey, Maussa, Bazan and Mosley and thats just to name the notable names so don't sit there and try to make Cotto seem overrated because do the math homie Mosley beat Oscar, the BIGGEST name on Mayweather's resume and biggest win yet, 2 times and Mosley has been reputed to be someone Floyd ducked(which I KNOW is BULLSHIT), I'm just saying don't go and wave off Cotto like some false threat, dude is the real deal and if you want to break down opponents we can do that.. BOTH had their off nights and came out on top, GRANTED, but neither of the 2 are flukes and for you to make a thread calling Cotto overrated just makes you look like a biased towards Floyd poster and that shit ain't cool, Williams TOO is a threat no doubt and IMO Cotto will beat BOTH Williams and Floyd but make no mistake I'm no fan of Cotto, I plan on seeing more Cotto's in my lifetime and more Floyd's so I'm no fan, I'm a fan of Boxing I just respect the fighters and this LONG ASS POST is me showing my respect to BOTH unlike you who wants to respect 1 and downplay the other..

So PBF has beat a 35 year old fighter with 11 losses in Baldomir, an inflated JWW out of prime mediocre fighter in Shramba and had a close fight with a fighter that Cotto COMPLETELY and thoroughly dominated in Judah.... Furthermore, how can you give credit to PBF for beating DLH yet not give Cotto credit for beating a more active fighter in SSM which beat DLH twice? Furthermore, the win over Hatton was impressive, I will not discount that, but that fight was an interesting choice of opponent for PBF as Hatton had only had one other fight at 147 and almost lost it to a mediocre welter in Collazo. So if Cotto is "highly overrated" what is PBF?? Neither of them are overrated... THey are both excellent fighters, one is more talented, the other is more devoted and exciting. Good post. I agree.

So PBF has beat a 35 year old fighter with 11 losses in Baldomir, an inflated JWW out of prime mediocre fighter in Shramba and had a close fight with a fighter that Cotto COMPLETELY and thoroughly dominated in Judah.... Furthermore, how can you give credit to PBF for beating DLH yet not give Cotto credit for beating a more active fighter in SSM which beat DLH twice? Furthermore, the win over Hatton was impressive, I will not discount that, but that fight was an interesting choice of opponent for PBF as Hatton had only had one other fight at 147 and almost lost it to a mediocre welter in Collazo. So if Cotto is "highly overrated" what is PBF?? Neither of them are overrated... THey are both excellent fighters, one is more talented, the other is more devoted and exciting.

Geez, I can see why some peple would pick Floyd to beat Cotto, but you my man need to change your av, instead of showing that kid getting breast fed you need to show your picture getting cock fed by Floyd.:luvbed: LMFAO!!! SO FUCKING TRUE...

The Original post is hilarious. PBF is the WW Champ, Cotto is the #1 contender. How is calling Cotto the # 1 contender over-rating Cotto? What WW has done more than Cotto to date? You say Paul Williams would KO Cotto but your over-rating PW's and being a total hypocrite. Cotto has not just beaten over the hill fighters and fringe contenders. Cotto has beaten undefeated, tough young hungry fighters that are still out there winning belts after having only 1 loss to Cotto. The jrWW division is being run by guys Cotto defeated. Malignagi, Torres. Every one of Cotto's last fights the past 2 years has been a legit threat (exception of his mandatory with Urkal). Paulie, Quintana, Zab, Mosley, Torres. Please tell me what has PW's done that makes him worthy of your rating but makes Cotto over-rated? Is it his great win over Mitchell? PBF doesn't have to fight Cotto, but Cotto definitely is the most deserving of all WW's which makes him not over-rated as the #1 contender. Cotto / VSosa,TKO/Chop Chop,TKO/ZJudah,TKO/SMosley UD MAYWEATHER / VSosa,UD/Chop Chop,UD/ZJudah,UD/ODLH SD :tapedshut You defending Floyd's win over Oscar and berating Cotto for his win over Mosely is what is undeniably hilarious. There was a time when Cotto was overrated, gotta agree there. But he has taken good level of opposition, better than most fighters and keeps shutting haters up. Pisses you off doesn't it? I would love to see him in there with Williams or Margarito thou, that should be enough proof that he's a legit star. First off I agree that Mayweather would beat Cotto but dont get it twisted Cotto is not overrated. He has earned his spot to be named as one of the top Welterweights. Yeah, Mayweather decisioned Judah, but Cotto stopped him, he also was the first to beat Shane at Welterweight, beat an unbeaten and current IBF light welter champ Pauli Malignaggi, an undefeated Quintana, and also a current WBO light Welterweight champ in Torres.........Please give the fighters credit where credit is due Cotto has been brung along the same way Oscar and PBF where when they where with Top Rank, but people tend to forget that. 90% of the people picked Judah and Mosley to KO him and he passed the test. PBF is the better pure boxer but win it comes to heart he can"t compare to Cotto. PBF could hit Cotto with everything he has and Cotto would walk right on through. If Mosley and Zab could not KO Cotto how could Floyed. When he came up in weight he did no bring that KO power (Ricky does not count, 5"6 140lbs is nothing compared to what true ww bring) Well then you should get use to having that problem because Cotto is exactly that guy. Mayweather vs Cotto is litterally the fight of the decade, and Cotto will go down in history as just another fighter Mayweather ducked in his over-rated career. I mean Hatton is 1/4th of what Cotto is, and thats being generous. It should have been Cotto in there on saturday and as confused and as off balance as Mayweather looked just from a little Hatton pressure early, imagine twice as much pressure from a fighter thats twice as strong that can last 12 entire rounds. Somthin tells me Mayweather wouldn't be able to hold up. PBF may go around claiming to be the "GREATEST OF ALL-TIME" and the GREATEST fighter ever to lace on the gloves, then the DETROIT LIONS are the best team ever to step on the field. PBF was blessed with all the ability in the worl (minus punching power). But he took his foot off the pedal far to early in his career, in terms of who he fought and how he fought them. At jlw he was spectacular, cleaning out the division in dominate fashion. At lw he was not dominate, but he did fight the best (Jose Luis Castillo). Since moving up to 140, 147, 154lbs however he's ben to selective about who he fights and too disinterested in knocking them out. At 30 PBF still has time to take on huge challenges, overcome them sensationally and become know as the best fighter of this era. But based purely on what he's done so far sorry, Floyed-that "greatest of all-time" crap is more comical than compelling. (THE KO OF RICKY DOES NOT COUNT " 5'6 140 LBS AND WHEN YOU HAVE A 6' REACH ON YOUR GUY COME ON) Fight the true hard core ww then lay claim as the best. AGREE WITH Y'ALL!!!

Im off the Cotto-Mayweather fight hype....I think May will embarrass him.... I think Mayweather would beat Williams too....he would counter him to death. So who the hell is left for the guy??? I think he should fight Mayorga, LMFAO! If he embarres Cotto then you know what onto the next fighter once he cleans out the division no one can talk shit, then he can go onto the father role. Till then he has a lot of competition still at welterweight.

Not because he's beaten nothing but faded champs and inexperienced fringe contenders barely out of the Olympics, and not because most of his wins were at a weight class that he was too big for, but because people consider him to be this much of a threat to Floyd Mayweather even after knowing these facts. All that we've been getting directly proceeding Mayweather's brutal KO victory, is references to Cotto this and how Floyd is ducking him or avoiding him, etc, etc.. Listen. I am being so honest when I say that Miguel Cotto is absolutely nothing without PBF. You are building him into another Margarito based on Floyd's name; it is an endless cycle. The acclaim basically comes from two wins through out his 31 fight and 6 year career. Mosley and Zab Judah * It is so undeniably hilarious that Floyd almost gets no credit for beating Zab, but Cotto does, even with the year lay-off and previous 2 losses. It bewilders the mind. * Mosley is 36 (4 years away from 40) and hasn't had a belt since 2003. That is four years out of your prime. Even Oscar is only 34 and had a belt when Mayweather fought him. Mosley had been reduced to fighting contenders and washed up former champions. He hadn't been a belt holder at Welter Weight since 2001. Cotto was barely starting his career the last time he was Welter weight champ, 6 full calendar years ago. Therefore, Cotto's status among some of his deranged fans is unjustified. Moving up from 140 before winning a lineal title is already a bad sign and he still hasn't won one, yet Mayweather did in his 18th fight. If Mayweather leaves then it is up to him to fight for lineal supremacy, but depending on a semi-retired Floyd Mayweather for it is just being a crybaby. Work like he did and tell your fans to stop bitching. Maybe someday you'll be as great as Floyd Mayweather jr... Paul Williams would kill Cotto btw, imho..:) Shut your trap already. You're ridicules and just so you know Floyd was a big 130 pound fighter. And he fought a lot of warn out fighters, contenders and Judah coming off a lose. go to sleep.

Boxing Scene Pound for Pound Top Ten 1) Floyd Mayweather (39-0, 25 KO) Age: 30 Current Title: World Welterweight/147 lb. Champion (2006-Present) Career Titles: World Jr. Lightweight/130 lb. champion (1998-2001); World Lightweight/135 lb. champion (2002-04); additional alphabet titles at 140 and 154 lbs. Last Five Opponents: Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya, Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah, Sharmba Mitchell Up Next: TBA My Take: Consider that tie broken. The biggest knock on “Money” and the real source of debate between Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao emerged because Floyd wasn’t fighting the best from 2003-2005 and because of the mis-timing of Judah-Mayweather as a pay-per-view show following Judah’s loss to Baldomir. With Hatton left on the floor, one has to look at the whole body of work in a new light. In the last two years and four fights, Floyd’s defeated the last two men (before him) to hold the real World championship at 147 lbs. in Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir), the biggest draw in the game in a still tough Oscar and, to close 2007, the true Jr. Welterweight king in Ricky Hatton. Impressively, he beat Hatton on the inside, which no one predicted. From here the questions will be about Miguel Cotto, a potentially great fight, but let’s be honest…Miguel’s people didn’t even breathe Floyd’s name until seven years into Cotto’s career and seem to have booked away from him already on the 2008 schedule without even attempting to negotiate the fight. The onus is on Miguel Cotto to prove he can beat Floyd and not the other way around. The onus is on anyone to beat Floyd and not the other way around. The first fighter in history to win the lineal titles at 130 and 147 has, with the Hatton win, has defeated the reigning kings of four weight classes in his career and he’s not done yet. He might not quite be Ray Robinson level (yet), but Floyd is knocking on the door of the top twenty fighters that ever lived if he’s not already there. Im off the Cotto-Mayweather fight hype....I think May will embarrass him.... I think Mayweather would beat Williams too....he would counter him to death. So who the hell is left for the guy??? I don't take a Cotto match nearly as seriously as some people as Williams would be the ultimate challenge and Williams would break Cotto. Other than Williams, I don't know. Maybe Money should just retire for good like he's been saying since 2006 anyways.

Im off the Cotto-Mayweather fight hype....I think May will embarrass him.... I think Mayweather would beat Williams too....he would counter him to death. So who the hell is left for the guy??? I don't take a Cotto match nearly as seriously as some people as Williams would be the ultimate challenge and Williams would break Cotto. Other than Williams, I don't know. Maybe Money should just retire for good like he's been saying since 2006 anyways.

Geez, I can see why some peple would pick Floyd to beat Cotto, but you my man need to change your av, instead of showing that kid getting breast fed you need to show your picture getting cock fed by Floyd.:luvbed:

In a recent article, it was noted how manipulative Mayweather was by dropping Mosley's name the instant the reporter asked him about Cotto... The old smokescreen tactic. Floyd the magician Mayweather. You can't make the #1 contender disappear Floyd. Panic when he hears Cotto's name. Hahahaha "Mosley...Mosley.... Mosley..." Haha Recall when margarito had Floyd stuuttering when he walked up on him. " Oh we gonna do it down the line when it makes more business sense ok?" Had him kissin his ass. :banana: Kepp tellin yourself the buying public is more interested in a Mayweather/Williams?? fight. Jittery Floyd. “Man, I don’t see nobody that’s going to be able to shut Mayweather up, now,” said Kenny, thinking about all of the possibilities. “What about Cotto or Mosley or how about that Hearns clone - Paul Williams?” I asked. Clearly I was a desperate man grasping at straws. “Tom! C’mon,” Kenny said, trying to coach some reality into me. “There ain’t no one around whose gonna’ touch Mayweather. He’d eat Cotto for breakfast and Shane ain’t got the goods no more to handle what I just saw. Floyd ain’t gonna’ fight Williams or Margarito because there ain’t no money in it for him.” “Yeah, you’re right,” I said. “He’ll probably really retire this time.” “Oh, jeez, he might as well,” said Kenny. “There ain’t no one out there that can beat that man I saw in there tonight.” And with that, the phone went dead and Kenny’s voice was replaced by the dull hum of a blank dial tone. It was just as well. After having told every friend I have that Hatton was assured of victory, the rancid aftertaste of my own words smacked me in the mouth like a “check hook” from the “Pretty Boy”.

You just said he always fights with the odds in his favor ergo he does not take a challenge. He's #1 p4p, anybody he fights around his weight class, he will be the betting favorite. He gained that status BY beating betting favorites. You make no sense and are grasping for straws. His challenges were taken and he's passed them all, including the last one, which is why he is STILL p4p#1 and betting favorite no matter who he fights, even Cotto. Which means Cotto isn't a challenge, according to you..:rolleyes: Now go about your pathetic day trying to shine on these boards all day by stroking Mayweathers e-cock and generaly just being a dick. Wtf is an "e-cock"? :lol1:.. Jeeze, some of you people are real geeks. Just make your point without all of the extra bullshit and internet lingo, it's annoying. Im thinking the consensus is that Cotto will lose this fight.... It is and all that you have to do is look at the polls AND read what most boxing writers are saying, especially now.:)

You just said he always fights with the odds in his favor ergo he does not take a challenge. He's #1 p4p, anybody he fights around his weight class, he will be the betting favorite. He gained that status BY beating betting favorites. You make no sense and are grasping for straws. His challenges were taken and he's passed them all, including the last one, which is why he is STILL p4p#1 and betting favorite no matter who he fights, even Cotto. Which means Cotto isn't a challenge, according to you..:rolleyes: Now go about your pathetic day trying to shine on these boards all day by stroking Mayweathers e-cock and generaly just being a dick. Wtf is an "e-cock"? :lol1:.. Jeeze, some of you people are real geeks. Just make your point without all of the extra bullshit and internet lingo, it's annoying.

Ay man, you forget one thing..... 1) Floyd Mayweather had trouble with Victoriano Sosa.....UD 12th How do you figure he had trouble with him when he won a wide UD? Cotto TKO'd Sosa in the 4th! AFTER Floyd took that much more of his confidence and after Sosa moved up in weight. Why are you bragging about Cotto beating leftovers? Tell Cotto to KO DLH, Hatton, Corrales, Castillo, etc... Let him move up in weight and still get these TKOs, like Floyd did. Let him win 6 titles in 5 different weights. 2) Floyd Mayweather went the distance with Corley....UD 12th After knocking him down twice.. Miguel Cotto TKO'd Corley in the 5th! After almost getting knocked out himself. 3) Floyd went the distance with Zab...UD 12th Was on the verge of a TKO before Judah low blowed him. Cotto blasted him into submission!!! After Cotto almost got his head taken off, after he low blowed him twice, and after Judah was laid-off for a year and coming off two losses Dudes that Floyd couldn't take out and went on to a Unanimus Decision, Cotto destroyed. They are completely different fighters with different styles, it does not mean Cotto's style works better than Floyd's or that he's better at winning since he's definitely not. More of his fights were a lot closer, including his last one. This is like saying Tyson is better than Ali. And Cotto is no Tyson. That says alot. It says nothing and all of them were leftovers, why do people ignore this? Floyd would have a hard time with Cotto. Maybe, but I see him winning decisively and see Paul Williams as a bigger test. Be a true to yourself and admit that it is "what it is". What is it? I don't get it... The only thing I subscribe to is Floyd being the better fighter, which is the consensus view anyways. I never said that Cotto would beat Mayweather, but your boy is ducking Cotto. :lol1: Nobody needs to duck a contender who just started his career by beating a faded champ. Floyd passed him up at light weight. Please, cut the bullshit, nobody needs to duck Cotto because relatively speaking, Cotto is a nobody. Floyd has been talking about retirement since Baldomir. If you're the greatest fighter..... He's not, he's top 20 at best. This is a distraction and beating Cotto does nothing for his legacy. Cotto is not Hagler, no where near it, just some contender with barely 30 fights under his belt. MONEY wouldn't be an issue....unless you know deep down the risk factor is exceeding HIGH!!! Only thing I'm concerned about is you bed bugs constantly bugging a man while he's trying to sleep. Leave Floyd alone, he's on a vacation. Tell Cotto to get his ass kicked by Williams.

You just said he always fights with the odds in his favor ergo he does not take a challenge. Now go about your pathetic day trying to shine on these boards all day by stroking Mayweathers e-cock and generaly just being a dick.

Sounds like you think he´s been taking easy fights since Corrales then. No, and it's a mighty stretch to for you to assume that. His last fight wasn't easy. His fight directly proceeding Corrales wasn't easy. What is easy is for me to realize that you're totally clueless as to what I said. Sounds like you think he´s been taking easy fights since Corrales then. PS dont forget to mention Cotto has disposed of several common opponents more handily than your master, including Corley, who spent more time on his knees than on his feet. All of them were leftovers (Floyd already softened them up) and until he disposes of champions in 5 different weight classes, I'm not impressed. Nor was he more impressive, he simply hit them harder. Hatton disposed of Tony Pep in 4 rounds while Pep went the distance with Mayweather. We saw what happened there. Styles make fights which is why Cotto isn't p4p#1 and the vast majority of boxing writers consider Floyd to be the much better fighter, as does Sugar Ray Leonard (see my sig) and many others.

Ay man, you forget one thing..... 1) Floyd Mayweather had trouble with Victoriano Sosa.....UD 12th Cotto TKO'd Sosa in the 4th! 2) Floyd Mayweather went the distance with Corley....UD 12th Miguel Cotto TKO'd Corley in the 5th! 3) Floyd went the distance with Zab...UD 12th Cotto blasted him into submission!!! Dudes that Floyd couldn't take out and went on to a Unanimus Decision, Cotto destroyed. That says alot. Floyd would have a hard time with Cotto. Be a true to yourself and admit that it is "what it is". I never said that Cotto would beat Mayweather, but your boy is ducking Cotto. If you're the greatest fighter.....MONEY wouldn't be an issue....unless you know deep down the risk factor is exceeding HIGH!!! Do some push-ups you!!!!

Sounds like you think he´s been taking easy fights since Corrales then. No, and it's a mighty stretch to for you to assume that. His last fight wasn't easy. His fight directly proceeding Corrales wasn't easy. What is easy is for me to realize that you're totally clueless as to what I said. Sounds like you think he´s been taking easy fights since Corrales then. PS dont forget to mention Cotto has disposed of several common opponents more handily than your master, including Corley, who spent more time on his knees than on his feet. All of them were leftovers (Floyd already softened them up) and until he disposes of champions in 5 different weight classes, I'm not impressed. Nor was he more impressive, he simply hit them harder. Hatton disposed of Tony Pep in 4 rounds while Pep went the distance with Mayweather. We saw what happened there. Styles make fights which is why Cotto isn't p4p#1 and the vast majority of boxing writers consider Floyd to be the much better fighter, as does Sugar Ray Leonard (see my sig) and many others.

Sounds like you think he´s been taking easy fights since Corrales then. No, and it's a mighty stretch to for you to assume that. His last fight wasn't easy. His fight directly proceeding Corrales wasn't easy. What is easy is for me to realize that you're totally clueless as to what I said.

Mayweather's only fight where he was underdog, he totally blew the guy out (Corrales). Sounds like you think he´s been taking easy fights since Corrales then. PS dont forget to mention Cotto has disposed of several common opponents more handily than your master, including Corley, who spent more time on his knees than on his feet.