Hopkins and Calzaghe would have always made for a close fight, their styles just make for a close fight.
Exactly.
Arguments can be made for both fighters until you're blue in the face. The majority of people will give the nod to Hopkins because of the fact he KD Calzaghe in their fight but they use that to cloud their judgment, imo.
I'd give Calzaghe the slight advantage because the fight would take place @ 168 in their primes, with Hopkins moving up Calzaghe would have the advantage. P4p? They're pretty much even.
Calzaghe lost to Hopkins to, only he lost to a 43 year old washed up version.
Calzaghe won 116-111. Only a black person thinks otherwise and I'm not being racist.
It's just the truth.:bottle:
And I'm not saying Prime Hopkins doesn't have a chance, don't get me twisted. No fighter is unbeatable and if these fought at any stage in their careers it would be a very close fight. Hopkins and Calzaghe are very similar career wise, both started out as big punching sluggers and had to adjust with father time. Calzaghe became a wise counter puncher but at the same time had to sacrifice his power and Hopkins became a wise Counter puncher who sacrificed his stamina and used more clinches and head butts.
The best versions of the two would be the Calzaghe who fought Lacy vs the Hopkins who fought Tito. I just see Calzaghe beating Hopkins to the punch and outworking him to a decision.
Do you even know what a paper champ is? Jermain Taylor was not a paper champ. He was the undefeated, undisputed MW champ.
Zab Judah was the undisputed Welterweight champion.
Look where he is now.
He's the middleweight champion you moron. Who has he beat? He beat the fucking champion. Now stfu and stop crying.
But the former champ was a paper champion.
Hopkins never could have beaten Calzaghe IMO.
Exactly. Old Joe beat old Hopkins.
It would always be a close fight but I always see Joe winning, especially @ 168.
A Hopkins who weighed 8 lbs more than Calzaghe lost to him by 6 rounds on one card.
So? Where he is now doesn't mean he was a paper champ at welter, genius.
It doesn't?
When was Judah ever good?
When he got KOed in 2 by Tszyu?
When he lost to Spinks?
When he lost to Baldomir?
When he lost to Mayweather?
When he got KOed by Cotto?
When he lost to Clottey?
Judah's best win is Spinks who has also beaten him too.
Not necessarily.
Robin Reid was not exactly a high output kind of fighter but he managed to land counter right hands and give Calzaghe a lot of problems in their fight. I think if a counterpuncher who can pick his spots and land the cleaner more effective shots consistently would be able to win on the scorecards, of course his workrate would have to be respectable but it doesn't necessarily have to be high.
Hopkins' workrate was not high enough, he threw something like 35 punches per round, that's a very low workrate.
Calzaghe broke his hand in that fight and he wasn't all there.
It would be a war because Mcclellan was ferocious..
didn't Jones and Mcclellan fight in amateurs?
McClellan KOed Jones in the amateurs and that's with head guards on.
WOW, he is making Calzaghe sound unbeatable. Great chin when an old man can knock you down. Hopkins with stamina will easily beat Calzaghe.
Calzaghe with even more stamina and a bigger punch wins though.
You give Hopkins back that asset and Calzaghe gets his too.
Prime Jones would beat Calzaghe something like 117-111, maybe 117-110 (with a KD) but it would be a great fight.
Prime RJJ was better fighter
But overall it has to be Mayweather
Another case of Calzaghe fans tying yp hype up Jones after Calzaghe beats a washed up Jones
Are you fucking serious?
I can't talk about my second favorite fighter on this board without "trying to hype up Calzaghe?" If I said Jones is complete shit and Calzaghe is going to KO him then you would say I'm overrating Calzaghe so how about you shut up bitch? This is for you :bottle:
WOW
Hopkins lost to JC who Pavlik beat Twice
Lacy has never beaten anyone
Kessler best win was over mundine
Eubank best was Benn who best win was Watson who the fuck are those guys.
Calzaghe resume is already shit
What does this thread have to do with Calzaghe and why do you keep mentioning him?
Wahwah, this is for you :bottle::bottle:
You crazy?
How many fighters have beaten both Hopkins and Jones in quick succession?
If Calzaghe beats Jones he will be remembered for ever, in a month or two from now people will be laughing that we compared Pavlik to him because Hopkins will make Pavlik look stupid on route to a WIDE decision win. Kessler will come good too and will rule 168-175 for the next 5 years.
Still, it was Mayweather's most flawless exhibition. It doesn't matter who he fought at the peak of his skills, that still is his peak.
Why would you say something so blatantly incorrect as "Oscar is the only world class fighter Floyd has fought?" Diego Corrales wasn't world class? Genaro Hernandez wasn't world class? Ricky Hatton wasn't world class? Jose Luis Castillo wasn't world class?
I get it, you don't like the fella, but don't say things that just aren't true.
None of those fighters are world class IMO.
Corrales was a good fighter (rip) not definitely not World class, I've never even heard of Hernandez and Hatton and Castillo definitely weren't either.
That fight should have never even been a split decision. PBF cleary won that fight. It should have been scored 8-4 or 9-3. Anything closer I just can't agree with. People in fights stop throwing certain punches either because the shit ain't working(constantly getting countered or blocked) or they are hurt. In De la Hoya case he was missing, getting countered, blocked and he was tired.
I thought Oscar did enough to win the fight or at least get a draw IMO.
If the other judge scored the last round for Oscar (which he should have) it would have been a draw.