... Brook is a very good and strong fighter... he got both eye sockets broken during fights... most of kids here don't have the idea what this means...
You should tell us. What did it mean for Donaire? Was it the reason he got KO’d by Walters? But seriously though.
KO’s generate hype. Tyson had that run and also his personality. Then the fact that he was a heavyweight, the glamour division also added to making him one of the most known fighters of all time. The fact that he’s so known, garner’s him extra votes to this greatness that is probably overrated, yes.
You’re drawing a load of conclusions while having not listened to anyone on the know’s opinion. Brook’s trainer, not Brook, decided he couldn’t train Brook because he didn’t want to travel, Hearn according to Brook was kept in the loop through the negotiations but he never wanted it and Hearn essentially cite’s no money there. Obviously the issue here is there was no money there for Brook AND Hearn ontop of that.
Brook is likely to fight his heart out, and he’s trained with the intentions of winning. So no, I wouldn’t call it a cash out.
Brook undertook two surgeries...
What does that mean though? Is he glass chinned now? What does it meam?
Wilder has had surgery on his right hand how many times, seven I think he said? Not featherfisted is he?
Not telling you what you should think. Just want to know what that means to you. Orbital fracture = shot?
Ugas was viable. Hes fresher, hes been fighting, he gave porter a hell of a fight.
I'd take a guy with close losses like danny to top fighters then a guy who has been fighting a crippled benavidez, jr welterweights and a guy who's a shell of himself anyday.
But I mean to each his own.
This is obviously more about the name and draw then the talent level brook brings to the table nowadays.
Ugas is a nobody and PBC. So I doubt it. Why are you saying this? Because Ugas said he wouldn’t mind fighting Crawford? Ugas is a decent fighter (overhyped right now, but decent, never been as good as Brook though), he’s a fighter first, he keeps his head down to the politics and just trains, and he’d fight anyone. Ugas is likely to continue being moved the Ortiz route, he’s a good competitor to use in-house, no point wasting him outside.
And I’m not talking about Danny Garcia the fighter, I am talking about his matchups. Crawford vs Brook is better than Danny Garcia vs Granados or Redkach. Please read slower. This is the second time you have misinterpreted my words. And if you thought Garcia vs the likes of Redkach was better then yes, I agree, to each his own indeed.
Haney isnt being called the best fighter on the planet tho..? Hes a young ass kid that was basically his first step into having a known name on his resume
And tf are you talking about, danny has fought arguably 2 of the 5 best ww in the world, who has craw fought better than porter or thurman at ww?
I would have been much more excited for an ugas fight. Kell has been a shell of himself since he got his his face cracked In two places
And those 2 are the only noteworthy fights Danny has had at 147. Which he ofcourse lost, and albeit competitive, no he didn’t have an argument for winning either. That’s what “tf” I’m talking about. Stop talking about those PBC fighters, they aren’t viable. Haymon wont let one of them fight unless he has nothing to lose and everything to gain and Arum isn’t about to take the chance of PBC stealing his one belt and freezing him out from winning it again. That’s game over at that point. That risk would only be taken for a big fight/the belts. Only point of talking about the likes of Ugas is if Crawford goes to PBC. Which seems possible in the future.
And a bad fight has nothing to do with pfp rankings. I’m talking pure entertainment. Fighting some old as fuk midget coming off a layoff, surgery is a bad fight. Ortiz vs that bum that took a fight is a bad fight. Hell, sht on them all you want, Crawford vs Horn, Kavaliauskas, Benavidez were not bad fights, only Khan who was well done and the fight was also the most boring, coincidentally. Crawford-Brook is a better fight than those. And it’s sure as sht a better fight than Danny Garcia Vs Ivan fuking Redkach.
It’s weird as sht that early this year, people were cool with Crawford fighting Brook. Obviously we’d all want a better opponent, but nonetheless, “not bad”. Wondering why the opinion changed into this appalling fight. Anyway, just don’t watch. 2020 has been a ****ed enough year, save yourself from this travesty if you think it’s that bad.
He can have more than one. If you take the sport seriously and got the skill your a threat well into your thirty's. Although winning is another thing, Brook is still young enough to win. He’s likely to lose because of the flaws he has always had (poor stamina, becomes lazy, poor defense, lunges and falls forward when attacking). He has a punchers chance I think, and Crawford always somehow gets hit with a guys best shot at least once.
What was his trick? Sincere question
Step back counter. Occasionally caught you by surprise with a stand and counter (usually involving a muderous bodyshot). Couldn’t or wouldn’t lead for sht. Made for some serious nothing fights when the other guy decided he wasn’t going to lead neither.
They're different fighters.
Duran was a monster, an animal.
Lomachenko is like (and this is not an insult) a ballerina (or whatever you call a male ballerina), graceful.
Ballerino?
Basically you’re saying that GGG had a bogus title for years and we shouldn’t count his 20 consecutive defenses?
You keep criticizing Canelo, but you keep ignoring how GGG lied to your face and you are up like a piece of cake
Where did you get that in his comment?
Arum for awhile has been saying he loses money on Crawford. Like the guy above said though. It’s more the opponent. Crawford badly needs an opponent. A silver lining however, Kell Brook for a few guys has been the gatekeeper to bigger fights. Golovkin couldn’t get a name till he beat Brook, same with Spence. I’m hopeful next year is big for Crawford.
Crawford’s done chasing Spence. If it happens nice, if not, fuk it. I’ve been at that point. If Spence looks like a beast vs Garcia I’ll change my mind. I don’t want to see Crawford vs Pacquiao neither (I want Pacquiao to retire) but beating Pacquiao also means negotiating power. I think he realises if he gets Pacquiao Spence will have to actually look in his direction. Till now it’s been just Crawford looking to Spence.
Right so Ingle isnt going because he has travel issues, thats fine. But if he was so serious about beating Crawford why wouldnt he be hooking up with another well respected trainer? failing that....an actual boxing trainer? why is he essentially bringing his mates to the arguiably the biggest fight of his carrer? If that doesnt scream cash out then i dont know what does to you.
A cash out to me is that Abreu guy vs Ennis, who was a few days out of jail and completely soft and came to lay down. Brook has been training extremely hard for this fight, and I’d be shocked if he doesn’t fight his heart out. So I can hardly call it a cash out. Every fighter goes to where the money is (it’s why Pacquiao even ended up at 147 and why guys like Spence shrink down to campaign there).
A cash-out implies he came to lay down/survive. And I simply don’t think that’s the case.
Ortiz would beat him. But I’m not really a fan of pitting upcoming young lions with no significant fights against each other. It’s always better to throw them in with the older but still good champs for some upset type deal which will create lots of buzz for one the young lions collide. You should do it as soon as the buzz is created though, not marinate for years.
No way, Benavidez was outboxed easily and received a gift against Herrera. Him boxing competitively with Crawford says more about how overrated Crawford really is.
The Brook that beat Porter wouldn't lose a round to Jose and say that as a fan of the Benavidez bros.
He didn’t get outboxed easily. I rewatched that fight recently and it was competitive all the way through (I’m talking about the Crawford fight here). Herrera also wasn’t a bad fighter, I’m not sure Benavidez’s fight with Herrera was much more of a gift as Danny Garcia’s, who I remember getting really beat up at points in that fight, much worse than the young Benavidez who moved down to 140 to fight Herrera.
Brook has created something with not fighting anyone inbetween the top fighters in Porter, Golovkin, Spence. Outside of those guy’s Benavidez is of higher level in Brooks resume. And I see how he walks into punches, especially vs longer fighter’s, even in his prime. Brook does not have great defense. And he’s always been flatfooted. I can’t think of much or anything that Brook does better than Crawford, maybe he can muscle Benavidez inside and tire him or get a bomb through to stop him, but besides that, I’ve never been so wrong to pick a loser in a one-sided fight, so I’m confident in a competitive fight at least in this mythical matchup. I do think Benavidez was a better fighter by the time the Crawford rolled in, despite the bum leg. More mature.
Always felt Benavidez is very underrated. I know he hasn’t done sht, but just his performance vs Crawford, how skilled he showed himself to be, no reason for me to believe he couldn;t apply that vs other opponents of that lvl. I think even one-legged Benavidez could’ve beaten a prime Brook.
Postol is also very underrated. If only Danny hadn;t ducked him we’d see him in a better light, because I really think that would’ve been a 12-0 kind of fight. The guy is still giving the next generation a run for their money as an old man.
Both of these guy’s resume suck dick. But they seem like decent fighter’s that would give any top guy a serious run. I view Brook similarly. He beat Porter, but people went from underrating to overrating him, this is still the guy that could easily have an ‘L’ instead of a ‘D’ vs Julio Diaz.
Just watched Mayweather Gatti yesterday. He’s really not that good (top 10, skillwise). Hearns, Leonard, Duran etc are all more skilled than him. Floyd also slaps. And I can’t think of a top tier great that slaps.
That fat guy shouting better hope he doesn't get covid. Don't understand why Brook is such a huge underdog. Unless he's completely shot this will be one of Crawfords biggest challenges. Let's not forget Brook was more than holding his own before his eye broke against Spence.
That’s the Orca. Got a mouth like a blowhole.
That may be true, but he’s not extraordinary at anything except maybe at switching. He punches wide and that would be his downfall against Floyd.
Like Maidana? And we saw how Floyd walked him into loads of vicious punches that ultimately ko’d him like all his fans said he would. Wait.
Crawford would be by far Mayweather most dangerous opponent. He’s bigger and longer and he’s as skilled as any of them with great timing and power. The Passed it Hoya, Cotto or Pacquiao don’t compare. Crawford likely goes through Mayweather’s resume in better fashion than Mayweather. He may not look as pretty, but he’s much more devastating.
Brook is a dark horse in this fight.....extremely skilled and I think his skill will show up more because Crawford fights more at a distance than spence who pretty much marched forward to get his shots in.
I think it’s going to be a great fight
Interesting you bring that up. All of Brooks significant fights till this one were essentially guys charging at him.
I knew Crawford could stop Brook at any time, unlike Spence and Porter, especially with that right hook, was hoping he wouldn’t catch him early so he’d get more credit. Oh well. Brook should’ve warmed up more, it would have helped him tremendously. Was way too serious, looked like he had more pressure on him to perform than Crawford.
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Crawford could definitely beat the current Golovkin. Golovkin is not a big middleweight and old.
People always overestimate size. May seem ridiculous but fighter’s have done this move a few times.
I can’t remember off the top who Kovalev beat, Hopkins, Cleverly, Pascal? I didn’t have him winning the first Ward fight. Had it Draw or 1 pt Ward every watch. Golovkin beat Canelo, Jacobs and Derevyanchenko, so I give him resume. He’s also always been the better fighter. Have always said it, Kovalev was bound to get KO’d, Golovkin still a top fighter at 38.
GGG is not as shot as Kovalev was when he fought Canelo.
I don`t see any chance Crawford beats GGG.
Golovkin isn’t far off, he just has better fundamentals than Kovalev. He was also coming off beating Alvarez and the next hot prospect. Ofcourse Crawford has a chance, we’ve seen this already and this wouldn’t even be comparable to Roy Jones vs Ruiz, Bellew vs Haye and Spinks vs Holmes. The size differences there were much, much bigger than this would be. We’ve already seen Brook from 147 to 160 vs Golovkin, to give an idea what they’d look like side by side and, if he can last like he did vs a near prime Golovkin, Crawford can go the distance with this version of Golovkin. And if Steve Rolls is piecing him up Crawford can decision him. Crawford came in at 153/154 for 135lb fights, he’s at least 155/156 at 147, put on 5lb’s, give Golovkin 10lb’s (Golovkin has rarely been over 170) and he’s money.
Light middleweights weigh as much or more than Golovkin on the night, while being younger and longer.
This is always crazy before it happens because you imagine the guy bigger/stronger than he is, Crawford wouldn’t be fighting Beterbiev. An old man is about as perfect as it gets. Good odds for Golovkin too. Although obviously, why would you, as Crawford, take this risk.
Crawford hits harder than Spence. While Spence was peppering him all night and Brook only looked slightly bothered late in the fight after his eye busted and had to go down himself. Crawford can hurt him at any time and he’ll soon find himself on the canvas or battered if he’s not careful.
Brook does not have better fundamentals. He falls forward, or leans back, it’s why Zerafa was walking him into shots, why Senchenko couldn’t miss him with the jab in rd 2/3, you can walk him into shots, Spence walked him into shots often, Porter even landed his best punches on the backfoot. Crawford never lunges, even if his shots can be wide and you can hit him inbetween.
Both guys can be hit, Crawford though has better defense, and he has better stamina and his favourite style is counter-punching i.e when a guy is coming to him, and Brook inevitably always comes plodding in when he slows down and becomes flat-footed. Brooks best odds would be boxing and countering Bud instead imo. But maybe he can spark Crawford.