Before PBC, SHO's budget was half of what it's going to be now and Haymon had to share the budget with promoters that weren't under his umbrella.
So Haymon now has all of the SHO budget, the SHO budget has doubled, and now FOX has jumped in and matched SHO's budget as well.
Meaning Haymon managed to more than quadruple what is being paid for the rights to his fights now.
In every conceivable way, the PBC experiment turned out to be an overwhelming success.
It clearly hasn't been the total disaster that some here suggested and hoped it would be, but I wouldn't call it a resounding success either, it's still alive as a business but it's still to show if it's a sustainable and viable business in the long term.
Look at the investment and look at the return, sure Haymon and the boxers have done very well from it but what about the business itself the investors have they done so well? Clearly not, they invested almost a billion over 5 years which has seen that money used up and what are they getting in return? 60 mill a year budget from FOX and whatever Showtime throw in doesn't compare to the money they have spent so far to get PBC up and running.
But PBC is up and running and no longer requires the investment fund to bank roll it's operation now networks like Showtime and Fox and funding it. That is where PBC has succeeded.
But it's still a long way off from being a profitable business for it's investors but if it does start running at a profit later on down the line then it would be seen as a success. But even then I doubt many of them will think it was a worthwhile investment unless big sums of money start rolling in as their investment could of done better elsewhere in a business with a higher EVA score.
If he's insinuating that Joshua will duck him he's kidding himself. Didn't Hughie turn down a fight with Joshua in 2016?
Obviously Joshua will be looking to fight Whyte most likely on April 2019 and then look to make the Wilder fight, so he's probably right Joshua will look to delay his IBF mandatory if he can.
But if the Wilder fight doesn't happen I see no reason why he wouldn't face the winner of Fury/Pulev. I think Hughie could give Joshua a tricky fight with his movement but he lacks the power and offense to pull off a win.
Wlad was coming off a loss and inactive and 41.
Fury v Wilder is two undefeated fighters, neither are old. Fury has been inactive but at the end of the day he is still undefeated and has the best win out of all the top fighters.
This is a far better fight on paper than Wlad v AJ.
And Fury is coming off an even longer period of inactivity and coming off losing 140lbs as well as drug and mental health problems.
For a guy who thinks he won, he sure looked like a beaten man at the end of the fight, while Fury was raising his arms in victory, Wilder didn't raise his arms and looked defeated. When that split decision was announced he must have thought he'd won the lottery.
In there last fights Spence did 12,604 and Garcia did 12,560. So if all the east coast fans travel that's a total of 25,164. If they price the tickets right it could do 30K I guess.
I can't see Wilder outboxing Fury over 12 rounds. But that doesn't mean Fury will be up on the scorecards after 12 rounds.
We saw what happened during the Washington and Ortiz fights where the general consensus was Wilder was being out boxed but he was ahead vs Ortiz and ahead on 1 and drawn on 2 of the Washington score cards.
Suffice to say the track record suggests there will be favouritism towards Wilder. Fury will need to win at least 8 rounds or more to win a decision, maybe more, most people gave 9 rounds to Lewis over Holyfield in their first fight and that was still scored a draw.
I hope I'm wrong and we see a fair fight but this is boxing and unless you're new to the sport you know better.
Youtuber's source not exactly the most reliable source. You only have to see on the official sight there's whole sections near empty. Have they even released the upper tier tickets yet?
They haven't even sold all the floor tickets, which means we will see empty seats on TV even if they narrow the camera angle. They'll need to give out a few thousand complimentary tickets like they did for the Ortiz fight to create the illusion of a full arena.
It's a decent indication but you have to see who they KO'ed if you fought Amir Khan 100 times you'd have a 100% KO ratio but that doesn't mean you hit harder than a guy with a lower KO percentage but who KO'ed a bunch of iron chinned warriors.
Plus a fighters style also has to be taken into consideration. Eubank Sr could hit every hard with single shots, dropped iron chinned Collins for example, ended Watson's career with one punch, but usually he didn't do enough, wasn't a good finisher or very good on the front foot so didn't stop as many guys as he should have with his kind of power.
Very true. All praise to AJ. He's the clear #1 and deservedly so. He's defeated many top contenders and has unified titles. Nobody should dispute his status as #1 in the world heavyweight rankings.
But Wilder is the clear #2, holds the most respected title, and the world wants to see AJ vs Wilder more than any other fight.
So when AJ's team does everything possible to delay that undisputed fight from taking place, fans are going to be understandably upset.
But to protect AJ, his team has a responsibility to deflect blame and give AJ's fans reasons to believe their side isn't holding up the fight, even though they clearly are.
While you are right Hearn has tried to delay the fight for sure, so have Wilder's team. Neither side have been genuine in regards to their desire to make the fight as soon as possible.
Hearn has been delaying it to build interest in the fight he's admitted as much himself in previous interviews.
Wilder's team have dragged their feet, refusing meetings, making unrealistic financial demands, delaying proceedings either by not signing agreed contracts or waiting for Joshua's mandatories to be enforced before disputing details in contracts.
Wilder then signs a 2 fight deal with Fury which of course ensures the fight doesn't happen until at least late 2019.
Both sides should be equally criticised for their actions. But fanboys prefer to pick a side then accuse the other side of ducking.
Trying to use logic and reasoning with fanboys and haters is pointless. Joshua could KO wilder inside the first minute when they do fight and they'd find a way to discredit the win and invent a way for Wilder to win a rematch and then accuse Joshua of ducking for not taking the rematch. Then they'll jump on the bandwagon of the next big threat to Joshua and claim Joshua is ducking him too.
My thoughts exactly, vk has some of the highest ko% in the history of the division, by quantity.
Never thought of him as especially heavy handed.
Yeah he's more of an accumulative puncher. He definitely hits reasonably hard and can KO guys with poor chins like Williams, Hide, Johnson etc but at the top level his power wasn't outstanding.
He just hit you a lot and hit you with good accuracy and that will break down anyone over the course of a fight.
I can't see him ever matching Mayweather's accomplishments. Even beating Usyk wouldn't be enough. There's not enough big names in around his weight division for him to match what Mayweather did.
Not surprised Miller didn't want it, he won't be stepping up and fighting anyone decent as long as he has a chance of fighting AJ and cashing out.
Parker still needs to rebuild a loss to Usyk would end his career at the top level and set him back for years, better he takes his time to retool before stepping up to top level again.
Ballsy move by Usyk if he debuts at heavy vs either Ortiz or Povetkin. I think Ortiz is the easier fight with his poor ability to cut off the ring, if Scott can take him the distance and Kaufmann take him late then Usyk should be able to give him problems.
Povetkin has the style to get to Usyk and make him engage more than Ortiz could. But if Usyk can take it beyond 6 rounds he will likely outpoint a fading Povetkin.
I doubt he'll surpass Joshua's level of popularity but this older, wiser, more media savvy version of Fury is no doubt a far, far bigger name in the UK than he was before.
He's learned to use the media to his advantage where before it was a weak point in his marketability as a fighter in the UK. Arguably he's the biggest name in UK boxing after Joshua now. He just needs to keep the momentum going and not be sidelined by distractions that will come with this new popularity.
Not really. Whyte has earned a shot to be fair, he's WBO mandatory and he's had a good run of late and if he beats Chisora convincingly this time it's a clear indications he's improved greatly from the first AJ fight.
But let's be honest Wilder and Fury are much more interesting fights. I'd also prefer Miller in the US over Whyte in the UK. But I'd prefer Whyte over Pulev if all these other options fall through.
Wow that's better than I thought it would do. Bellew clearly more popular than I thought after his wins over Haye. I thought it might do as much as Whyte/Parker and GGG/Brook and do close to 500K, so 600K is a good result in my opinion.
Good to see fans tuning in for a quality operator like Uysk.
UK buys will bring it up quite a lot. It will easily outsell the US buys which I don't see doing that much really. Maybe 100K?
UK will be 300-400K. If it was on at prime time in the UK, it would've done 800K+
Yeah if Usyk/Bellew can do 600K then had it been in the UK on prime time then 800K seems very doable. Think it will do 300-400K too due to the bad time slot.
In the US i'll be shocked if it does less than 100K, I'm thinking between 200-300K. If it does less than 200K it's safe to say it's a flop and a financial disaster. I think 300K is a solid number, not good but not awful either. Above 400K would be fantastic considering their low profile in the US.
In the interview he said if he can't get Wilder or Fury then Ortiz, Miller and Whyte are his next options. Let's be honest of those 3 Ortiz is the least likely.
Whyte is the biggest fight of those 3 from a financial perspective, Miller and Ortiz can't fill an arena by themselves while Whyte is a proven PPV fighter now.
Miller is likely next because of his deal with Matchroom and keeping it in house is the more prudent choice and then finally we have Ortiz, he beats him Joshua get's accused of beating an old man like Wilder did, he's probably the least financially lucrative option as at least Miller with his mouth can help promote a fight, Ortiz doesn't even speak English.
So why not wait for his guaranteed shot then? :dunce:
He thought he could beat the easier Wilder and get a bigger share against Joshua.
Yeah that's what I think he was thinking too. He wanted more than 25% and so thought beating Wilder would secure him a bigger payday later down the line.
He clearly miscalculated. Wilder picked him for a reason, they saw the performances vs Allen and Scott and saw an opportunity. Almost back fired for Wilder too.
Coming from a guy who's best win is Jennings and who's about to fight Kaufmann after having fought Cojanu it's laughable to think anyone takes what he says seriously.
Joshua has the best resume at heavyweight right now with Wlad, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Breazeale and Takam.
Maybe when Ortiz fights a live body again we can take his constant pops at Joshua seriously. I mean he threatened to sue Joshua to get his mandatory shot but then signed with Haymon and fought Wilder instead before his mandatory was even mandated.
Then he could've paid Pulev some set aside money to fight Luis Ortiz for his WBA title then, since his IBF was a replacement. It would been very convenient for him to fight his other mandatory challenger instead but he didn't because you know why; He is a chicken?
Hard to do when even before the IBF and WBA mandatory was mandated in Aug, Ortiz has signed with Haymon in March and reports in July had Ortiz all but signed to fight Wilder.
If anyone ducked the fight it was Ortiz. All he had to do was wait for the mandatory to be announced then wait for his shot. People said Joshua would duck his mandatory vs Povetkin too, Povetkin waited and got his shot unlike Ortiz.
It will do more than 100k buys, not many do that little. I think Hopkins/Dawson is the worst doing 40K.
I think you'll get at least 250K from the UK and then anything from 100-300k in the US. All signs are showing that this won't be the success Wilder hoped it would be. He'll still be the clear B-side even if he wins.
Pretty obvious neither side wants the fight next. Hearn has been pretty open and honest about always wanting the the fight later in 2018 after Parker, his stance hasn't changed on this one bit.
Wilder and his team have been doing nothing but be deceitful in their desire to want the fight next. Fact is if they want the fight next then they have to convince Hearn that it's worth his while to change his plans. Which of course means under cutting Parker's split. But of course Wilder and Finkel demand 50% which is their way of ducking the fight for now.
Then of course you have Finkel asking for Wilder to be guaranteed a shot at Joshua if they fight Whyte, which Finkel initially refused saying they wanted Joshua now, not Whyte. But Hearns clarifies it's a separate offer not linked to Joshua, Finkel then demands for the very thing he initially rejected asking for Joshua to be guaranteed if they fight Whyte. Hearn agrees and says they can have Joshua guaranteed if they fight Whyte and now we suddenly have Finkel and team Wilder all quiet about a Whyte fight and back to the we want Joshua now not Whyte. Flip flop much?
Hearn is now being reported to have offered Wilder £10 mill for Joshua which is currently worth $13.4 mill but refused it still demanding 50/50. So along with the Whyte fight Wilder could be making $17.4 mill minimum for 2 fights but will probably fight someone like Breazeale next for $1-1.4 mill, lol.
Lol at thinking Hearn is using Whyte and Bellew to protect Joshua.
Bellew fought Haye in the spring of 2017, that's when Joshua fought Wlad. I'm guessing Hearn was using Wlad a guy who had beaten Haye convincingly as a way of protecting Joshua from Haye, what lunatic would think such a think?
As for Whyte, that fight was offered to Wilder as a separate fight from Joshua at a time when Joshua had a mandatory due for his next 2 fights. Should he have dumped the IBF and WBA belts? Also Finkel then specifically asked for Joshua to be guaranteed as an opponent for Wilder if they fought Whyte, which Hearn has now agreed to. Yet we don't here Finkel saying hooray we've secured the Joshua fight by agreeing to fight Whyte like they asked for, no they flip flopped again and now say they only want Joshua next, despite specifically asking for the Whyte fight to secure Joshua.
Hearn has clearly stated Wilder doesn't need to fight Whyte to get Joshua, but Finkel asked for it and has now changed his mind again when Hearn acquiesced to his demand.
The Joshua/Takam stoppage was worse. Takam was in no real danger, yes he was rocked a little but he seemed fine.
Ramirez would of gone down if the ropes hadn't of kept him up. It wasn't a good stoppage but not as bad as Joshua/Takam.
I thought parker looked a bit soft myself. Think AJ was looking really good.
He's never been super lean to be fair, this is his lowest weight in almost 2 years, so he's in good shape.
Joshua has kept his promise can come in lighter. Hopefully we'll see some improvements in stamina with that.
To be fair to Wilder, both are turning down career high pay days to fight overseas. Neither of them seem confident enough to win in the others back yard.
Wilder likely fears a British stoppage and knows he won't get favourable judges should it go to the scorecards.
Joshua, himself knows he can't expect to win on points if it goes to the score cards as nobody but the judges had Wilder up when he fought Ortiz. He also knows if he hurts him he has to likely stop him there and then as Wilder will get an extra minute when they drag the doctor up between rounds to give him more time.