Who did Ray beat with Speed outside of Hearns?
Tommy was actually weight drained at 147. Floyd would give Ray something he's never faced. A simple jab to the body and a smart opponent.
Give Benitez Floyds offense and its a different outcome. Leonard has never fought a guy who thinks the game like himself.
For example: Ray keeps that left guard down at times. Floyd would drill him with a straight right..clinch...clinch....hold Rays arms. Strategy!.....Then hit him with another straight right....clinch clinch hold
Ray struggled with slow Ayub Kalule. Got hit by slow Kalule.
I agree Ray had blazing hand speed, but against Floyd that could also be his downfall in the fight. Opening up with combinations could get Ray knocked down 1 or 2 times and Floyd is underrated "tough"
Floyd, is also in much better condition than Benitez. Works out harder. So Ray can't get away with Floyd wearing down. That strategy won't work. Floyd doesn't party like old school fighters
Round 8: He's gonna still hit Ray with the stiff jab to the body, while Ray as he proved in the Benitez fight....Throws the same jab, right, jab, right.."predictable"
I look at the basics...Body shots, jabs, conditoning
Floyd is in much better shape than Hearns, Kalule and Larry Bonds
The Kalule fight. If Kalule just had some defense he wins the fight
Again, some fans overrate the older era.
Ray looked awesome against slow plodders. Show a example when he looked great against a guy with speed who could move. The Hearns fight he looked horrible trying to cut off the ring
Prime Floyd would have moved and drillled Ray with lead hooks, upercuts, straight right to a easy UD. Leonard, is not at his best chasing
Ray struggles against boxers. Guys who move. 1981 Hearns is not a better boxer than Floyd. Power? Yes
Boxer.....Hearns is stumbling around the ring yet he was outboxing Ray. Mayweather is stronger than 1981 Hearns physically and mentally. And in better shape.
When did Ray fight a guy who went to his body? At 147. Only Duran
Floyd would move, move and stick that jab in Rays body. Also, Leonard sometimes throws out of control combinations. I can see Floys laugh and simpy counter. Move.......Jab to Rays stomach...clinch, clinch..Push Ray off and jab to the body again.
Physically, im not sure Ray is stronger
And Ray at 147 never fought a fighter who was as intellgent as Floyd in the ring
Floyd, is actually a stronger 147 pounder than Hearns when it comes to stamina and fighting on the inside. Ray is not gonna punk Floyd
Hearns , was at his best at 154. He was weight drained in Leonard fight.
Hearns at 154 is the style to beat Floyd. Same with 2002 Vernon Forrest
Leonard throws to many out of control combinations. Watch the Kalule fight. Floyd would have laughed, blocked and countered
A patient tall fighter with a great jab who sets his shots up behind the jab is how you beat Mayweather. Fighters with wild combinations will end of losing a UD
Lets be fair to Mayweather. Leonard did not fight the strong 154 pound Tommy Hearns. He fought 144 weight drained Hearns who couldnt take a body shot, was weak.
Floyd vs 1981 Hearns. If he gets past the early rounds, i could see Floyd building up a rythym and pot shotting Tommy all fight long.
Leonard had problems with Larry Bonds and admitted Bonds movement gave him some trouble. He also had problems with Ayub Kalule
A boxer that can move, counterpunch is gonna give SRL problems. His speed was not the same when he had to punch a moving target.
At this age when has Floyd fought a guy with quicker feet who can move in...combo and get back out. Majority of Floyd's opponents lately have been guys right in front of him.
Mosley threw the same predictable right hand over and over and had no legs. Marquez was coming up from 135 pounds, and Ortiz is easy to hit.
Pac has the ability to use his legs to bounce in and bounce out.
I dont think Mayweather is gonna use the style Marquez used. Floyd is gonna try to walk down Pac with his gloves up like how he did in his last two fights.
Pac's ability to use his quick feet to get in and out. Circle Mayweather when he tries to walk Pac down is gonna cause Floyd problems
In order to counterpunch as much as Marquez did you have to be willing to take chances and be within Pac's range. Is Floyd willing to take that chance?
I can see Floyd countering once, then backing up. I dont see Floyd looking to counter every single time like Marquez was.
Also one big shot by Pac could change the thinking of the fighter trying the Marquez style
Its not about who you fight, but when you fight them.
If you wanna keep it real, try keeping it real.
The 2007 version of Oscar Del La Hoya would have gotten dominated the exact same. Same for Hatton
Add on Pac took on two guys that Floyd ducked and that was Cotto and Margarito.
Your a fkn idiot , do you know what the difference is between ODH at 147 fighting Pac and when he fought Floyd he weighed 160 , you dumb fuk Oscar has never been that light in the ring since his LW days .
Fuk me there are ignorant morons on the board trying to save there fakes reputation , go read my posts and you will see Ive said about the CW fraud since Diaz and explained many times the whole deal about the CWs , fuken dude is a CW manipulating hype job only this time the CW slowed JMM down just like I said it would but the fake midget wasnt good enough still, so they had to rob JMM again to save the May fight , only now they blatantly ducking Floyd because they have no other option but put up or DUCK they chose DUCK ,,,,,, nothing but FAKES
Oscar's hand speed and timing was off even in the Mayweather fight. He was past his prime even then. he was getting nailed by Steve Forbes
The difference is Pac is not afraid to pick up the pressure and go for the knockout. Floyd was so worried about Oscar's left hook that he was extra cautious. The same with Hatton
Pac comes out with no respect looking to put you away. Totally different mentality.
Again if Mosley fights the exact style against Pac he fought against Floyd he gets knocked out
Shane was bold enough to throw right hand after right hand against Floyd cause he didnt fear the fire coming back.
He did not try that with Pac because he knew he would get countered by a shot that hurt him. He wanted to quit
Look at Mosley face after both fights. He also told his corner he wanted to quit against Pac
Hatton - 2nd round KO..Floyd 10th round TKO
Oscar Pac Made him quit. Floyd won a SD
Mosley was still confident and kept trying against floyd
Pacquiao had Mosley running for his life. Had he been as aggressive as against Floyd he would have gotten knocked out
The overhand right hand was no existent against Pac cause he was scared to get caught.
Yeah, there's plenty of if's and butt's.
But Lewis had mastered the one punch that could neutralize Tyson- even back in the day; the uppercut.
Mercer and Tua is vastly different in the way they approach taller fighters.
Tyson ducks under and comes up with hooks and uppercuts, in perfect position to be countered by uppercuts.
Trust me, Tyson was open for uppercuts. Just like Frazier and every other fighter that goes down low with their head.
And Lewis, a master of this punch, was strong enough to push Tyson off him even if he got close.
Boxing is more advanced than just punching hard and fast.
Prime Tyson was a lot quicker then 2002 Tyson and even though he could have been vulnerable to upercuts, Lewis would not have landed them as much as he did against 36 year old Mike Tyson.
Mike would have had the speed advantage. You also have to look at because of that speed advantage,Mike would have tested out that weak Lewis chin a lot more then the older version of Tyson who was way past his prime.
I agree with the post,but i dont think Floyd takes that chance. The only way Forrest could possibly get a shot is to fight and dominate Miguel Cotto,then talk some trash afterwards about you were afraid to fight Cotto. Look what i did to him. He's going to have to do what Tarver did to Roy Jones and thats get under his skin.
Sitting back and being nice won't get him a shot at Floyd.
Prime Mike Tyson would have knocked out 2002 Mike Tyson in one round
So it's hard to say what would have happen had Lennox fought Mike when he was still young and active.
If you think Lennox Dominated that 2002 version of Tyson. Prime Mike would have destroyed 2002 Tyson
From a skill standoint, Roy has a lot more left in the tank then Mike Tyson at 39 years old. Tyson couldn't even beat Kevin McBride
My point was if he beat Tito and Calzaghe convincingly
Hagler struggled with Duran who was a natural 135 pounder and with Ray Leonard who was coming off a 4 year layoff. Prime Roy Jones is 10 times faster then 1987 Ray Leonard with a lot more stamina and power.
In my opinion Ray Leonard isnt even all that quick in 1987 and he was able to make Hagler miss a lot in that fight. Leonard's prime was 1978 thru 1982.
Also keep in mind Roy was 35 years old in 2004 when he lost. If you want to count that,then you also got to count Ray Leonard getting knocked out by Camacho. To me thats more embarassing
I agree with Roy fighting at 168. To me thats his most natural weight and he is strong at that weight. Id like to see Roy fight the winner of Taylor and Pavlik
I think Roy's new style makes for a entertaining fight. I dont think he can use this coming forward and blocking punches style against 175 pounders,but i think he can do this against 168 pounders where he would be the stronger fighter. He should fight at 168
He weighed in at 169 for this fight,so he can make 168
How is this laying on the ropes?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ifF0zQs6GfI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F3kw5N5EXqk&feature=related
Roy was walking Tito down winky Wright style,only with more power and sharper punches.