Lets keep it real about Pacquiao's domination

Because it's self-inflicted? At the end of the day Floyd didn't give Marquez a fair fight. He made him jump two weights and still stole more weight off him. Let's face it, Mayweather doesn't have the guts to drop to 143 now and fight Marquez. Matter of fact. You wanna talk about self inflicted? How about JMM agreeing to not only fight Floyd at 144, but his acceptance of Floyd coming in at 146 for extra cash. Thats self inflicted, son.

I feel like things get easier after you've fought a guy so many rounds. I mean after 30 you basically know everything you could possibly know. I think that Floyd would have some feeling out rounds before he stepped on the gas so I doubt it would be a shut out. That is true, JMM knew the deal. That played into my thinking about why I thought he would be competitive, JMM knew what to expect while others fighters really fell into Manny's trap. I still think it ends up being very one sided because Floyd would range him, it would take some time before he completely got it worked out but he knows he has the longer range so he can use that rather easily (IMO). I am sure he would get tagged a few times until he figured out the exact spot Manny needs to be to land well, but once he gets that spot down the fight would never be in that spot again.

They were fed nobodys to get a win on the books , dont you know how this sport works , truth is they were pretty much done and then CWed to seal it , Manny is a fraud . Paulie malignaggi, Joshua Clottey, Steve Forbes, Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis arent exactly nobodies. but its whatever, this is a stupid debate that can go on forever. you guys just choose to argue about it everyday.

Just read your last 5 or 6 posts, jesus christ you're a ****ing clown. Do you realize how stupid you're making yourself look with this ****? "Cuz it's self-inflicted?" You totally missed his ****ing point you dipsh|t All it did was show us hes not in it for an unbiased argument. I dont like Floyd anymore than he does, but call it with the truth or dont call it.

Sorry, but it is. Unless he actually gets in the ring with him, you're relying on another separate fighter, separate person on a separate occasion beating him as your evidence. As the man says, triangle theories simply don't work. No it isn't~ You can read a lot by watching fights close and figuring out what issues a guy has, it is not impossible for another guy to exploit the same weakness especially if that is their game~ If you know what you are looking for anyway~

Because it's self-inflicted? At the end of the day Floyd didn't give Marquez a fair fight. He made him jump two weights and still stole more weight off him. Let's face it, Mayweather doesn't have the guts to drop to 143 now and fight Marquez. Just read your last 5 or 6 posts, jesus christ you're a ****ing clown. Do you realize how stupid you're making yourself look with this ****? "Cuz it's self-inflicted?" You totally missed his ****ing point you dipsh|t

oscar, hatton, cotto, marquez were all coming off wins though. so was margs but his win was a joke. shane was the only one coming off a loss or a draw. i'm not to here argue whos better though just correcting what you said They were fed nobodys to get a win on the books , dont you know how this sport works , truth is they were pretty much done and then CWed to seal it , Manny is a fraud .

Horrible argument. mayweather dominated marquez because he forced him to play the aggressor since floyd had a significant reach advantage over marquez, so it was A) get potshotted for 12 rounds and try to counter a longer, faster, stronger man or B) be the aggressor and take punishment to dish some out to the larger taller, longer man. That is what marquez did against floyd and why he lost so badly. Also npacquaio is no genius in the ring iq department. If he cant blast you out with his amazing power and speed and stamina, or break your will he can be easily boxed, and is a sucker for counters. Also his reach is the same as marquez which means he has to be in marquez' punching range to land. He also is not that hard to time, and uses a bit of headmovement along with his seeming;y unstoppable offense as his defense, and if you take that offense away from him with timing, and footwork, then he is an open book, We saw that on saturday from a blown up marquez. Luckily marquez did not do this at 130 or else he might have stopped him. The mayweather fight will look totally different, because mayweather can time him, has speed to match, and can pot shot since he holds a nice reach advantage. Pacquaio will look very sloppy, but can definitely tag mayweather at times.

If only Flomos would realise the same after Pac/Marquez... Oh we do, infact that was our argument to why Pacquiao fans are beyond stupid. The reason why this seals the deal of Floyd whooping Pacquiaos ass is because Pacquiao revealed himself to be a 1 handed fighter who eats counters like it's his last meal. He is not a complete fighter, he has not made progress in the past years. Infact he has probably gotten worse because he is used to fighting sandbags and not actual boxers. Add that to a faster, longer, better reflexes, better defense in Floyd, and it's game over. BOOM SHAKALAKA *pelvic thrusts*

It is not really a triangle theory if one is talking attributes that caused a guy problems that another guy also happens to possess. For example saying fighter a beat fighter b and fighter b beat fighter c so fighter a must beat fighter c is a triangle theory~ Saying fighter a beat fighter b because he was able to exploit a range advantage and counter punching, and fighter b happened to beat fighter c because of range and counter punching. It is like that fighter a will beat fighter c due to range and counter punching~ Sorry, but it is. Unless he actually gets in the ring with him, you're relying on another separate fighter, separate person on a separate occasion beating him as your evidence. As the man says, triangle theories simply don't work.

Your a fkn idiot , do you know what the difference is between ODH at 147 fighting Pac and when he fought Floyd he weighed 160 , you dumb fuk Oscar has never been that light in the ring since his LW days . Fuk me there are ignorant morons on the board trying to save there fakes reputation , go read my posts and you will see Ive said about the CW fraud since Diaz and explained many times the whole deal about the CWs , fuken dude is a CW manipulating hype job only this time the CW slowed JMM down just like I said it would but the fake midget wasnt good enough still, so they had to rob JMM again to save the May fight , only now they blatantly ducking Floyd because they have no other option but put up or DUCK they chose DUCK ,,,,,, nothing but FAKES Oscar's hand speed and timing was off even in the Mayweather fight. He was past his prime even then. he was getting nailed by Steve Forbes The difference is Pac is not afraid to pick up the pressure and go for the knockout. Floyd was so worried about Oscar's left hook that he was extra cautious. The same with Hatton Pac comes out with no respect looking to put you away. Totally different mentality. Again if Mosley fights the exact style against Pac he fought against Floyd he gets knocked out Shane was bold enough to throw right hand after right hand against Floyd cause he didnt fear the fire coming back. He did not try that with Pac because he knew he would get countered by a shot that hurt him. He wanted to quit

Floyd fights nothing like Marquez and using the triangle theory is one of the dumbest things you could ever do when analyzing a match up between two fighters. I will repeat Floyd fights nothing like Marquez. I agree Floyd fights nothing like Marquez, he's faster, has better reflexes, is better defensively, very rarely gets hit and it's even rarer to see him on the canvas. I don't even like Mayweather but boxing skill has nothing to do with likability. I thought Pacquiao might have had a chance but his new fighting style is doing him no favors. He looked confused against Marquez, I could only imagine how confusing Mayweather would be for him. He stands a chance if he goes back to his natural game, if he doesn't Floyd wins 12 rounds to 0. I think Arum realizes that, here comes Marquez 4 or Tim Bradley?? Bradley, that's a joke, or should be..

Because it's self-inflicted? At the end of the day Floyd didn't give Marquez a fair fight. He made him jump two weights and still stole more weight off him. Let's face it, Mayweather doesn't have the guts to drop to 143 now and fight Marquez. Because its self inflicted the fact floyd walked into a ring after 2 years and boxed the **** out of JMM doesnt count. :lol1: Thanks for exposing your bias, and I dont even like Floyd.

It is not really a triangle theory if one is talking attributes that caused a guy problems that another guy also happens to possess. For example saying fighter a beat fighter b and fighter b beat fighter c so fighter a must beat fighter c is a triangle theory~ Saying fighter a beat fighter b because he was able to exploit a range advantage and counter punching, and fighter b happened to beat fighter c because of range and counter punching. It is likely that fighter a will beat fighter c due to range and counter punching~ That is looking at evidence logically.

That's what I was about to say if you fought all those dudes coming off losses what's to really brag about? Let me know when Pac fights a top prime fighter coming off a win. oscar, hatton, cotto, marquez were all coming off wins though. so was margs but his win was a joke. shane was the only one coming off a loss or a draw. i'm not to here argue whos better though just correcting what you said

I LOVE how pactards just realized that triangle theories don't work because Pacquiao couldn't handle Marquez. But in the past, Pacquiao beating DeLaHoya and Hatton quicker then Floyd, was their evidence as to why Pacquiao would beat Floyd. :lol1::lol1::lol1: If only Flomos would realise the same after Pac/Marquez...

I LOVE how pactards just realized that triangle theories don't work because Pacquiao couldn't handle Marquez. But in the past, Pacquiao beating DeLaHoya and Hatton quicker then Floyd, was their evidence as to why Pacquiao would beat Floyd. :lol1::lol1::lol1:

Marquez's punches weren't affecting the much bigger Mayweather and he sacrified a lot of speed with his training. If they do it fairly now at 143, that fight won't go the same way. http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/71341598.gif So Floyd losing THREE POUNDS would effect the outcome of him outboxing Marquez....

If you know anything about styles then you know it does. A taller longer faster counter puncher vs a shorter, short range counter puncher. Hmmm... Pretty sure it goes the same way.. Why not count in Floyds 2 year layoff? Why is this not mentioned? Why does this not matter? Because it's self-inflicted? At the end of the day Floyd didn't give Marquez a fair fight. He made him jump two weights and still stole more weight off him. Let's face it, Mayweather doesn't have the guts to drop to 143 now and fight Marquez.

Marquez's punches weren't affecting the much bigger Mayweather and he sacrified a lot of speed with his training. If they do it fairly now at 143, that fight won't go the same way. If you know anything about styles then you know it does. A taller longer faster counter puncher vs a shorter, short range counter puncher. Hmmm... Pretty sure it goes the same way.. Why not count in Floyds 2 year layoff? Why is this not mentioned? Why does this not matter?