After the loss to Buster Douglas in 1990, Mike was re-focused and had 2 impressive wins over a tough Razor Ruddock. He was supposed to fight Evander in 1992,but ended up going to prison.
I thought those 4 years he lost from 1991 to 1995 is what really diminished a lot of his skills. Especially his ability to make you miss and counter off your mistake and his conditioning was never the same.
What if Mike never went to prison and went ahead and fought Evander in 1992 and Riddick Bowe and Lennoz Lewis. But in the mid 1990's
My guess is...a well disiplined fighter will always beat an un-displined one.
Therefore,Evander Holyfield beats Mike Tyson no matter when...
At his core,Mike was a classic bully...if you were afraid of him,he would kill you,but if you stood up to him...you saw how he punked out against Holyfield.
Instead of being carried out on his shield,he chose the coward's way out by biting Evander.
Which just underlined the punk that he was....
Holyfield was never afraid of Tyson,but Tyson was afraid of Holy...classic punk.
Lewis and Holyfield both fought Tyson at the perfect times in their careers and a bad time in his. Had they fought Tyson at their prime, they both would've tried to go toe-to-toe with him through pride and both would've lost for that reason. Lewis didnt develop the ring intelligence and wiliness until he had been knocked out. He was horribly over-confident and complacent at times, despite being wildly talented before then.
He'd beat Evander and Riddick. Not so sure that he would fight Lewis.
Even if he did, not sure he would beat Lewis...
Lewis in his prime was beaten by all sorts of bums.
Just look at his record.
Tyson only went shit after he had four God damn years of inactivity. Before that he had just 1 defeat.
Lewis!?!? All respect due to Lewis for being a classy guy and a respectable champion, but he has little to no business in the ring with prime Tyson. Lewis was stretched by a single punch by two guys who had mediocre power at best. He was hurt numerous times by guys with much less. In my mind this comes down to Mike's warior determination taking anything Lewis has and then somewhere in the middle rounds landing a right to the body and putting the lights out with the left uppercut.
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Prime Tyson vs any of the three guys mentioned I would pick Tyson with the best chance of victory being Bowe. My take as follows.
Holyfield was too stubborn to fight Mike intelligently back in '91 or '92 and would either get kayo'd outright or TKO'd when he refuses to drop.
Bowe has the best chance of the three. Size, conditioning, athletic prowess, and talent aside, having Eddie Futch is what gives Bowe a chance to beat Tyson. Futch is the smartest trainer ever and could have come up with the way to beat Tyson even at Tyson's best. That said it's a toss up if Bowe could handle the pressure. Holyfield pushed Bowe to the brink, Tyson was much more than Holyfield.
Lewis!?!? All respect due to Lewis for being a classy guy and a respectable champion, but he has little to no business in the ring with prime Tyson. Lewis was stretched by a single punch by two guys who had mediocre power at best. He was hurt numerous times by guys with much less. In my mind this comes down to Mike's warior determination taking anything Lewis has and then somewhere in the middle rounds landing a right to the body and putting the lights out with the left uppercut.
One of the guys I always thought could've given prime Tyson a good fight was Ray Mercer. Not sure I'd pick him over Tyson but I'd give him a better shot than Holyfield or Lewis.
Prime Tyson was a lot quicker then 2002 Tyson and even though he could have been vulnerable to upercuts, Lewis would not have landed them as much as he did against 36 year old Mike Tyson.
Mike would have had the speed advantage. You also have to look at because of that speed advantage,Mike would have tested out that weak Lewis chin a lot more then the older version of Tyson who was way past his prime.
if Douglas could beat Tyson im sure a more skilled taller harder hitter like Lewis could have got rid of a prime Tyson aswell
Prime Tyson was a lot quicker then 2002 Tyson and even though he could have been vulnerable to upercuts, Lewis would not have landed them as much as he did against 36 year old Mike Tyson.
Mike would have had the speed advantage. You also have to look at because of that speed advantage,Mike would have tested out that weak Lewis chin a lot more then the older version of Tyson who was way past his prime.
That's all well and good, but both Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield are older than Mike. Granted they both peaked later, but Mike was only 30 when Evander owned him the first time, hardly "over the hill," especially considering Mike didn't take a lot of punishment up till then.
Yeah, there's plenty of if's and butt's.
But Lewis had mastered the one punch that could neutralize Tyson- even back in the day; the uppercut.
Mercer and Tua is vastly different in the way they approach taller fighters.
Tyson ducks under and comes up with hooks and uppercuts, in perfect position to be countered by uppercuts.
Trust me, Tyson was open for uppercuts. Just like Frazier and every other fighter that goes down low with their head.
And Lewis, a master of this punch, was strong enough to push Tyson off him even if he got close.
Boxing is more advanced than just punching hard and fast.
Prime Tyson was a lot quicker then 2002 Tyson and even though he could have been vulnerable to upercuts, Lewis would not have landed them as much as he did against 36 year old Mike Tyson.
Mike would have had the speed advantage. You also have to look at because of that speed advantage,Mike would have tested out that weak Lewis chin a lot more then the older version of Tyson who was way past his prime.
Im sorry im British but BBBWWWHHHAAA.
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I agree dude, yeah tyson was no Rahman..Shut it man....
Tyson would of Ko'ed an 92 Lewis all day. A prime Tyson vs a prime Lewis, not sure but I am sure of one thing Tyson could have KO'ed any fighter in any era in his hey day...
Holyfield would still have pushed Mike Tyson back the way he did in there 2 fights & showed that Tyson is not effective when he is backed up & he would still have broken down mentally when the fight got tough cause he did'nt have the character
as for Bowe ,he could have controlled Tyson with the Jab & Bowe was'nt a man to take to many backward steps either ,no to mention the fact he was quick & hit hard aswell ,however Bowe Defence was pretty bad & if Mike came around his guard with hooks the way Evander did it could be a short night for Tyson ,a pick em fight IMO
i dont think he beats Lewis on his best day TBH, Tyson wanted a way out of certain fights when they got tough he got discouraged easily at times ,Jail or no jail he was still a quitter who bailed in his biggest fights where his oponents actually stayed upright & hit him back
Also, look at how well guys like Mercer and Tua did against Lewis. they weren't completely dominated, they still got some good shots in. Tyson was ten times as good as those fighters.
What did Tua win against Lewis? One, maybe two rounds? That's dominated my friend and I seriously doubt Tyson was 10 times better than Tua. Holyfield had Tyson's number anyway, Mike wouldn't have made it to Lewis.
Yeah, there's plenty of if's and butt's.
But Lewis had mastered the one punch that could neutralize Tyson- even back in the day; the uppercut.
Mercer and Tua is vastly different in the way they approach taller fighters.
Tyson ducks under and comes up with hooks and uppercuts, in perfect position to be countered by uppercuts.
Trust me, Tyson was open for uppercuts. Just like Frazier and every other fighter that goes down low with their head.
And Lewis, a master of this punch, was strong enough to push Tyson off him even if he got close.
Boxing is more advanced than just punching hard and fast.
Good points, but it would have taken more than just the uppercut to beat Mike. He was a smart enough fighter not to let the same punch land over and over. Lewis caught Tyson with the uppercut in the first round when they fought, but never landed it again and that was Lewis at his peak mentally. Lewis had many advantages but he could have easily been knocked out or forced into being too defensive and lose a decision like a lot of fighters did against Mike.
Also, look at how well guys like Mercer and Tua did against Lewis. they weren't completely dominated, they still got some good shots in. Tyson was ten times as good as those fighters.
Yeah, there's plenty of if's and butt's.
But Lewis had mastered the one punch that could neutralize Tyson- even back in the day; the uppercut.
Mercer and Tua is vastly different in the way they approach taller fighters.
Tyson ducks under and comes up with hooks and uppercuts, in perfect position to be countered by uppercuts.
Trust me, Tyson was open for uppercuts. Just like Frazier and every other fighter that goes down low with their head.
And Lewis, a master of this punch, was strong enough to push Tyson off him even if he got close.
Boxing is more advanced than just punching hard and fast.
Prime Mike Tyson would have knocked out 2002 Mike Tyson in one round
So it's hard to say what would have happen had Lennox fought Mike when he was still young and active.
If you think Lennox Dominated that 2002 version of Tyson. Prime Mike would have destroyed 2002 Tyson
When they had signed to fight before Mike went on trial I had picked Holyfield. Nothing that happened after that changed my mind. Lewis was better than Tyson, but I'm not as certain that the 92 version of Lewis was seasoned enough to beat him yet.
Mike in 1991 after being refocused would have probably beaten Holy and Bowe, unless it was a focused Bowe who would be one hell of a tough fight. Lennox,hmmmmmm not so sure. Lennox might be too much for any version of Mike.
Also, look at how well guys like Mercer and Tua did against Lewis. they weren't completely dominated, they still got some good shots in. Tyson was ten times as good as those fighters.