Kovalev outlanded Ward in rds 10/12, can somebody make a case for Ward wininn those?

Ward controlled the fight after the 3rd/4th round 3rd/4th could've went either way I can say with surety that I can't give Kovalev a round after the 4th. Ward did better work on the inside/outside. Ward landed crisp head snapping jabs and punished sergey to the body. And oh yeah, Kovalev hit a lot of air after the 2nd round knockdown Ward won the fight hands down Not debating everything you said. It's all a fair enough opinion BUT how did you score round 10 for Ward? It was a huge reversal and actually makes Ward's resurgence in 11 seem even more incredible. In no way could you fairly give round 10 to Ward. I'd accept pretty much any other round after 1 and 2 as they were close enough or obvious Ward wins but round 10???? Not a chance. That's my major issue with the judge's score cards.

yeah kovalev did pretty well cause i'd been told by many he had no chance. is hilarious cause the purist brigade were telling me that i 'dont genuinely believe kovalev can win' and were so arrogant that they dismissed any predictions of kovalev winning on points as 'trolling' well he won pretty ****ing clear on points on my card and quite a few others. funnily enough a lot of them have gone quiet today. He won on the majority of respected boxing journalist cards, I don't agree with judging faces to score a fight but Kovalev had a point apart from a bit of likely tissue damage to his nose Kovalev was fine likely didn't need to pop into the hospital after that one. Ward on the other hand bruises all over the face and this dude you know it bruises don't show as easily on light skin guys If Kovalev was marked up and bruised you'd spot it a mile away with his pale skin lol.

I will just state the FACTS here, nothing personal, can't be proven wrong I believe. COMPU-BOX Absolutely Kovalev won according to the compubox reports/datas looking in terms of jabs and power shots with 116-111. JABS Ward and Kovalev landed usually equal amount of jabs ecept one or two rounds, Kov's were lot harder that staggered Ward. POWER SHOTS Kov's power shots were clean rights from the outside, Ward's were arm punches given to the ribs or body when clinching... Not like Oscar's smashing Floyd's ribs with one arm, Ward's were most of the time weak and unclean. EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION Another fact here we have, except two or three rounds the Russian was the one pushing forth, the judges should have considered the fact that Ward was clinching excesively again and again, something that shouldn't help a fighter to win an 'even' round. KOV WAS THE DEFENDING CHAMPION You know that "You must beat the champion decisively to win it". SO? Just prove me wrong, I strongly believe Ward has lost decisively.

I was expecting to hear Kovalev, it felt like a glitch in the matrix :lol1: Ha. I just thought, if it were wide cards then it's Kovalev's but if it's close cards it's probably Ward's. I was expecting close cards though. The Sky Team (Pauli and Macklin) had it razor close for Ward.

Kovalev has always had that timing/measuring distance stat on an A++. It's really one of the things he's best at. I legit thought Ward was gonna be done after that. For him to get up and survive that and make it to the end, I mean, he's a warrior. No doubt. That was a PERFECTLY timed shot. Most definitely and I believe Ward wasn't expecting to be timed like that. Made Ward tentative to throw that right hand.

I was expecting to hear Kovalev, it felt like a glitch in the matrix :lol1: Those scores were exactly how I expected it to be scored for Kovalev. Shocked me when he didn't get the decision.

It's definitely not a Ward fan thin because I'm not a fan of Ward. I appreciate his skill level but that's it. Whereas I am a fan of Kovalev and was rooting for him. In all honesty, when Buffer said "all three judges scored it 114-113" I expected "and NEW" to his next words. That's just how I felt without actually scoring it. I was expecting to hear Kovalev, it felt like a glitch in the matrix :lol1:

Ward 3,5,7,8,9,11,12 Kovalev, 1, 2+KD,4,6,10 114-113 Ward Real good card. I think I just had Kovalev nicking the 9th on account of some great landed combos to Ward's head.

That punch man, what a shot. So perfectly timed. Props to Ward for surviving. I think obviously Kovalev was saving his tank, in a rematch he may not make the same mistake. Kovalev has always had that timing/measuring distance stat on an A++. It's really one of the things he's best at. I legit thought Ward was gonna be done after that. For him to get up and survive that and make it to the end, I mean, he's a warrior. No doubt. That was a PERFECTLY timed shot.

I think Ward got all the close rounds because people saw him there and not on the floor and said "Oh wait, Kovalev isn't destroying him. Ward must have this" But Kovalev can box. And he did. He outboxed Ward in those close rounds that SOME people defaulted to Ward. I thought Kovalev put on a boxing clinic, and completely neutralized the elite, super smooth and slick Andre Ward. If Kovalev wouldn't have had power, and been known for his smooth defense and elite boxing, I bet you that many people who had Ward winning those close rounds, would probably score them for Kovalev. To each his own.

Yeah. As a huge Kovalev fan, I am disappointed he did not show more urgency after the KD, and let the fight carry on similar to the Hopkins fight- leaving it to the judges. If this fight determined the P4P #1 and 2, the second match will determine it even more clearly, because, as you say... adjustments will have to be made. That punch man, what a shot. So perfectly timed. Props to Ward for surviving. I think obviously Kovalev was saving his tank, in a rematch he may not make the same mistake.

Let's see a rematch man. Let's see who can make the adjustments. I think Kovalev made a mistake by not putting more pressure on early, I thought Ward was done after he was timed by that BEAUTIFUL right hand counter from Kovalev. The rematch will be even better. Yeah. As a huge Kovalev fan, I am disappointed he did not show more urgency after the KD, and let the fight carry on similar to the Hopkins fight- leaving it to the judges. If this fight determined the P4P #1 and 2, the second match will determine it even more clearly, because, as you say... adjustments will have to be made.

Cleaner punches, ring generalship and making Kov look foolish punting air. You'll be salty about this L for the rest of your life. That's OK it was Close fight and arguing that Kov won won't get too much of a pushback from me. Saying Ward couldn't conceivably have won is a crock of **** For every punch Kovalev missed, Ward didn't capitalize and land his own punch. You're forgetting that Kovalev outlanded Ward in most of the rounds. I will be salty, but you never gave Kovalev a chance. Your scorecard was filled out before the fight started. You know damn well you'd have given it to Ward no matter what happened, minus Ward being taken out of the ring on a stretcher. Ward couldn't have won, in my honest opinion. He got outboxed, even in his best moments.... he didn't return enough to capitalize on Kovalev "punting air," which is how you actually score points. For example, if Ward made Kovalev miss 450 times, by way of legit stats.... but landed nothing in return and Kovalev still landed another 450 shots. Kovalev gets those points, not Ward.

This isn't even a Ward fan thing, I thought Kovalev won the fight decisively initially and I was expecting him to get the decision but rather than get emotional on here I waited to rewatch the fight and much of the success Kovalev had in the first half was mythical. Kovalev did not win rounds 3 and 5. Also other than the solid jabs Kovalev landed in the first round and a couple of solid rights in the 6, Ward had a lot of success those rounds despite losing them IMO. I guess, and I can admit my own flaws, commentators still have too much of an influence in punches I question. It's definitely not a Ward fan thin because I'm not a fan of Ward. I appreciate his skill level but that's it. Whereas I am a fan of Kovalev and was rooting for him. In all honesty, when Buffer said "all three judges scored it 114-113" I expected "and NEW" to his next words. That's just how I felt without actually scoring it.

This isn't even a Ward fan thing, I thought Kovalev won the fight decisively initially and I was expecting him to get the decision but rather than get emotional on here I waited to rewatch the fight and much of the success Kovalev had in the first half was mythical. Kovalev did not win rounds 3 and 5. Also other than the solid jabs Kovalev landed in the first round and a couple of solid rights in the 6, Ward had a lot of success those rounds despite losing them IMO. I guess, and I can admit my own flaws, commentators still have too much of an influence in punches I question. but i didn't see it on HBO, down here they got kovalev winning too but 114-113 so it was closer than i had it and they also saw ward coming back like some people here, but not enough to get the W. i'll watch it again.

I think everyone can agree on that, without a doubt. Let's see a rematch man. Let's see who can make the adjustments. I think Kovalev made a mistake by not putting more pressure on early, I thought Ward was done after he was timed by that BEAUTIFUL right hand counter from Kovalev. The rematch will be even better.

Are you serious? What case have you made? Lol. I said make a case- not say "Ward won round 12." Tell us how Ward won 7 rounds. I already said it was a highly competitive fight, obviously this was a competitive fight of the highest class. But we're still waiting on your actual justification of Ward winning 10 and 12 (or anyone else). Not just saying that Ward won those rounds. Lol Cleaner punches, ring generalship and making Kov look foolish punching air. You'll be salty about this L for the rest of your life. That's OK it was Close fight and arguing that Kov won won't get too much of a pushback from me. Saying Ward couldn't conceivably have won is a crock of ****

I'd have to give it another study to give you specifics per round but I know I consider all of those rounds possible Ward rounds. Even 4 wasn't that dominant in all honesty. In a lot of the rounds Ward did well with the jab, body work and frustrating Kovalev and making him miss. On the same token in many of the rounds (especially the first 6) Kovalev's crafty timing, feints, solid jab gave him an argument too. Some good counters too at times albeit seldom. It was a close fight by highly skilled operators. I think everyone can agree on that, without a doubt.

then make it. This isn't even a Ward fan thing, I thought Kovalev won the fight decisively initially and I was expecting him to get the decision but rather than get emotional on here I waited to rewatch the fight and much of the success Kovalev had in the first half was mythical. Kovalev did not win rounds 3 and 5. Also other than the solid jabs Kovalev landed in the first round and a couple of solid rights in the 6, Ward had a lot of success those rounds despite losing them IMO. I guess, and I can admit my own flaws, commentators still have too much of an influence in punches I question.

Yeah, I gave Ward round 6 but upon rewatching it a 3rd time, gave to Kovalev. Kovalev landed some solid right hands. I think Kovalev has the better chance going into a rematch. Can't argue with that, close round right? I disagree I think Ward has a better shot in the rematch.